RomaDenizen
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imagine yourself far from home, no campsites near. Seeking an overnight spot to park. How will you recognise a good spot, how will you research it ? problems to avoid ?
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identifying a good spot to park at overnight, and avoiding bad places .. your ideas
iwm
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Without driving around and assuming you have internet access then by far the best is using a combination of Google Maps on a wide-ish view so you can see roads and also such things as a layby or car park. Once you have found a possible place then if Google Maps Street View has the infromation then confirm the place using that.
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IanM
Once you have tried the place out start a NEW Thread on this web link and send the information for others to use
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IanM
herbenny
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Hi there:wave:
We tried to do our first Wildcamp on Saturday night:fun:, just a last minute impulsive 'lets go' decision .........hmmmm we got it all wrong and ended up coming home about one in the morning. First of all I stupidly forgot to take my purse and thought thats ok my other half would have some cash on him (((noooo dont be silly:lol-053: ))) he just about had enough to throw £20, which we all know is not enough to get you round the block these days. Anyway we drove around the Sussex countryside lovely views and a nice sunsetting lovely I thought ! We decided to stop off at a nice country pub, but instantly got the feeling they would not welcome us there for the night, it was that tumble weed moment when we tried to be friendly that gave it away !!!!!..... So with that we thought we might drive up to the coast and stoppped off at Duncton Beauty Spot ( I think its called ) ????, but had some very weird happenings going on there with people coming and going and acting very strange, not sure if its a well known dogging area or not ????? never been to one so wouldint know. Soooo with that we drove off yet again and pulled into a quiet layby, but it just seemed far too remote for my liking and I instantly got the willies and wouldnt shut up with the 'what if's '!!!!!. So hubby drove off YET again and pulled into another layby where upon after ten minutes I got an instant facelift with the speed of the passing traffic:scared:. By this time it was getting late, the charge on my phone was about to go, hubby was losing the will to live
and I was blaming him for everything in the world thats going wrong aarrrgghhhhhhh !!!!!!! .......next time I will PLAN when I want to be more SPONTANEOUS. ....It was all good fun though and we cant wait to do it again !!!!!:lol-053:
We tried to do our first Wildcamp on Saturday night:fun:, just a last minute impulsive 'lets go' decision .........hmmmm we got it all wrong and ended up coming home about one in the morning. First of all I stupidly forgot to take my purse and thought thats ok my other half would have some cash on him (((noooo dont be silly:lol-053: ))) he just about had enough to throw £20, which we all know is not enough to get you round the block these days. Anyway we drove around the Sussex countryside lovely views and a nice sunsetting lovely I thought ! We decided to stop off at a nice country pub, but instantly got the feeling they would not welcome us there for the night, it was that tumble weed moment when we tried to be friendly that gave it away !!!!!..... So with that we thought we might drive up to the coast and stoppped off at Duncton Beauty Spot ( I think its called ) ????, but had some very weird happenings going on there with people coming and going and acting very strange, not sure if its a well known dogging area or not ????? never been to one so wouldint know. Soooo with that we drove off yet again and pulled into a quiet layby, but it just seemed far too remote for my liking and I instantly got the willies and wouldnt shut up with the 'what if's '!!!!!. So hubby drove off YET again and pulled into another layby where upon after ten minutes I got an instant facelift with the speed of the passing traffic:scared:. By this time it was getting late, the charge on my phone was about to go, hubby was losing the will to live
and I was blaming him for everything in the world thats going wrong aarrrgghhhhhhh !!!!!!! .......next time I will PLAN when I want to be more SPONTANEOUS. ....It was all good fun though and we cant wait to do it again !!!!!:lol-053:herbenny
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Hi there:wave:
We tried to do our first Wildcamp on Saturday night:fun:, just a last minute impulsive 'lets go' decision .........hmmmm we got it all wrong and ended up coming home about one in the morning. First of all I stupidly forgot to take my purse and thought thats ok my other half would have some cash on him (((noooo dont be silly:lol-053: ))) he just about had enough to throw £20, which we all know is not enough to get you round the block these days. Anyway we drove around the Sussex countryside lovely views and a nice sunsetting lovely I thought ! We decided to stop off at a nice country pub, but instantly got the feeling they would not welcome us there for the night, it was that tumble weed moment when we tried to be friendly that gave it away !!!!!..... So with that we thought we might drive up to the coast and stoppped off at Duncton Beauty Spot ( I think its called ) ????, but had some very weird happenings going on there with people coming and going and acting very strange, not sure if its a well known dogging area or not ????? never been to one so wouldint know. Soooo with that we drove off yet again and pulled into a quiet layby, but it just seemed far too remote for my liking and I instantly got the willies and wouldnt shut up with the 'what if's '!!!!!. So hubby drove off YET again and pulled into another layby where upon after ten minutes I got an instant facelift with the speed of the passing traffic:scared:. By this time it was getting late, the charge on my phone was about to go, hubby was losing the will to liveand I was blaming him for everything in the world thats going wrong aarrrgghhhhhhh !!!!!!! .......next time I will PLAN when I want to be more SPONTANEOUS. ....It was all good fun though and we cant wait to do it again !!!!!:lol-053:
We tried to do our first Wildcamp on Saturday night:fun:, just a last minute impulsive 'lets go' decision .........hmmmm we got it all wrong and ended up coming home about one in the morning. First of all I stupidly forgot to take my purse and thought thats ok my other half would have some cash on him (((noooo dont be silly:lol-053: ))) he just about had enough to throw £20, which we all know is not enough to get you round the block these days. Anyway we drove around the Sussex countryside lovely views and a nice sunsetting lovely I thought ! We decided to stop off at a nice country pub, but instantly got the feeling they would not welcome us there for the night, it was that tumble weed moment when we tried to be friendly that gave it away !!!!!..... So with that we thought we might drive up to the coast and stoppped off at Duncton Beauty Spot ( I think its called ) ????, but had some very weird happenings going on there with people coming and going and acting very strange, not sure if its a well known dogging area or not ????? never been to one so wouldint know. Soooo with that we drove off yet again and pulled into a quiet layby, but it just seemed far too remote for my liking and I instantly got the willies and wouldnt shut up with the 'what if's '!!!!!. So hubby drove off YET again and pulled into another layby where upon after ten minutes I got an instant facelift with the speed of the passing traffic:scared:. By this time it was getting late, the charge on my phone was about to go, hubby was losing the will to live
and I was blaming him for everything in the world thats going wrong aarrrgghhhhhhh !!!!!!! .......next time I will PLAN when I want to be more SPONTANEOUS. ....It was all good fun though and we cant wait to do it again !!!!!:lol-053:
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A "good" spot will vary according to your tastes but there are a few basic rules to take into account whatever you are looking for:
1. Don't annoy the locals - ie don't park up outside someone's house. We usually try to be near civilisation but hidden from it (others prefer to be more remote).
2. Look at how busy the road is - and how visible you are going to be to passing traffic. Nothing is more annoying than being rocked out of bed by large lorries thundering by - except possibly being woken up by hooting vehicles!
3. Look around for signs of vandalism, such as broken glass and grafitti - and drive on if you see any.
4. Look around for signs of boy racers - the skid marks give them away - and drive on if there are any.
5. Look around for signs of frequent sexual activity (I will leave that to your imagination) unless, of course, you enjoy dogging!
6. Look around to see if there are other motorhomes in the area. We prefer to have company for reasons of security (but not too close); others prefer to be alone.
7. Position yourself so that, in the unlikely event of trouble, you are able to make a quick escape (that also means have everything inside packed away so you can leap straight into the driving seat and be gone).
8. Don't leave waste of any kind to show that you have been.
9. Don't overstay your welcome (obviously, the more remote the spot the longer you can stay without annoying people)
10 Be careful but not paranoid - and most of all, enjoy yourself. Happy travels.
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Sound advice, John H!! Would just add to Rule 7 - Have your clothes handy if you don't wear nightclothes!! (Driving away in the nude could be embarrassing for all concerned!! )
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Sound advice, John H!! Would just add to Rule 7 - Have your clothes handy if you don't wear nightclothes!! (Driving away in the nude could be embarrassing for all concerned!!
Having done just that - once! - in Greece when smugglers turned up on our beach, I can agree that it might not be a good idea. It was a good job that we saw no-one on our way to a safer spot!
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Good sensible advice.
For me number 10 is the most difficult to manage ' Be careful but not paranoid'.
We sometimes seem to be programmed into looking for reasons not to do something rather than reasons for doing it.
The only advice I would add over and above John,s is always try and scout a spot before nightfall if you arent familiar with the area. This will increase your confidence in the decision making if nothing else.
Channa
For me number 10 is the most difficult to manage ' Be careful but not paranoid'.
We sometimes seem to be programmed into looking for reasons not to do something rather than reasons for doing it.
The only advice I would add over and above John,s is always try and scout a spot before nightfall if you arent familiar with the area. This will increase your confidence in the decision making if nothing else.
Channa
Squibby
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Be aware of where you pitch down for the night.
I Have had one incident when I first got my van, before I even started the conversion, when I was whacked out from driving so I found a nice spot or so I though and me and the kids got our heads down in the van for some well earned shut eye, only to be awoken about three in the morning by the local police who thought I was a trerorist. Unbeknown to me I had stoped quite close to the Edinburgh to Aberdeen main line, lots of checks by the police and a few phone calls to prove I was who I was and not Terry Taliban, we were moved on, the kids found it funny once they had calmed down after the wake up call. That was my first night in my van, now I check that I'm not too close to railway lines on my Sat Nav.
So try and pull over early enogh to see where you are stopping, some places do get more active as the sun goes down with people Dogging but I have managed to avoid these areas apart from once, there was a carpark on the A68 just north of Tow Law I think the place was called, we stopped there a few times with no probs but as the nights became warmer the active Doggers came out, the local councel have since blocked the carpark entrance with a huge lump of stone, so now no one can use it, shame as it was a handy place to stop.
Squibby.
I Have had one incident when I first got my van, before I even started the conversion, when I was whacked out from driving so I found a nice spot or so I though and me and the kids got our heads down in the van for some well earned shut eye, only to be awoken about three in the morning by the local police who thought I was a trerorist. Unbeknown to me I had stoped quite close to the Edinburgh to Aberdeen main line, lots of checks by the police and a few phone calls to prove I was who I was and not Terry Taliban, we were moved on, the kids found it funny once they had calmed down after the wake up call. That was my first night in my van, now I check that I'm not too close to railway lines on my Sat Nav.
So try and pull over early enogh to see where you are stopping, some places do get more active as the sun goes down with people Dogging but I have managed to avoid these areas apart from once, there was a carpark on the A68 just north of Tow Law I think the place was called, we stopped there a few times with no probs but as the nights became warmer the active Doggers came out, the local councel have since blocked the carpark entrance with a huge lump of stone, so now no one can use it, shame as it was a handy place to stop.
Squibby.
caspar
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Excellent set of rules John.
One thing missing from this, and where the OP may have slipped up is by heading for very well known beauty spots. These usually have some sort of restriction, or because they are what they are attract all sorts at all hours.
Another point missed is if you have a notebook or laptop with you (we always take one or the other) you can usually (not always) get enough signal to get onto the internet, come into this site and find somewhere near you.
If none of these are available, then look at a map, find somewhere nearby out in the middle of nowhere (which in your first post you say you are anyway) and find a sensible place to park up. Have a quick look round to make sure there's no signs forbidding you to be there and settle down and relax.
It is very much one of those things you develop an eye for over the years, and you'll find yourself driving along and saying to your wife, or vice versa, "Now that would be a lovely place to stop." If you wild regularly, you soon build up your own database in your brain of thousands of places where you could potentially stop. I have a list a mile long of places I'd like to try, but haven't got round to yet.
Finally, on the subject of dogging, we always have our labrador with us so are often found dogging in a layby. I see no reason to avoid this! :raofl::raofl::raofl::raofl:
One thing missing from this, and where the OP may have slipped up is by heading for very well known beauty spots. These usually have some sort of restriction, or because they are what they are attract all sorts at all hours.
Another point missed is if you have a notebook or laptop with you (we always take one or the other) you can usually (not always) get enough signal to get onto the internet, come into this site and find somewhere near you.
If none of these are available, then look at a map, find somewhere nearby out in the middle of nowhere (which in your first post you say you are anyway) and find a sensible place to park up. Have a quick look round to make sure there's no signs forbidding you to be there and settle down and relax.
It is very much one of those things you develop an eye for over the years, and you'll find yourself driving along and saying to your wife, or vice versa, "Now that would be a lovely place to stop." If you wild regularly, you soon build up your own database in your brain of thousands of places where you could potentially stop. I have a list a mile long of places I'd like to try, but haven't got round to yet.
Finally, on the subject of dogging, we always have our labrador with us so are often found dogging in a layby. I see no reason to avoid this! :raofl::raofl::raofl::raofl:
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We have 'wilded' for donkey's years (about 40), in the early years with a small caravan (yes, I know, I know ) and, more recently, with a motor-home and have really never had any trouble.
The worst we have ever had was people hooting as they passed, presumably on their way to work, early in the morning - irritating but not exactly life-threatening. We were camped in a lay-by with not a single house in sight, not bothering anybody so why hoot? I guess it must be funny (well, if you have a brain the size of a pea it might be).
Hubby is always very observant and aware; I try to be but am a bit dozy As we prefer to be on our own in a very remote spot, it does pay to be observant. We have rejected many apparently ideal spots and moved on because one or other of us just didn't think it felt right. I wouldn't underestimate your gut feelings - they are based on sound reasoning, I think, although you may not be consciously aware of what it is that's making you uneasy.
I hate campsites (or the big, organised ones at any rate - don't mind little CLs and CSs too much) so we always wild if we can and I think the chances of you getting into serious trouble are very, very remote. Maybe not as remote as winning the lottery but still extremely unlikely so just keep you eyes and ears open and enjoy yourselves!
) and, more recently, with a motor-home and have really never had any trouble.The worst we have ever had was people hooting as they passed, presumably on their way to work, early in the morning - irritating but not exactly life-threatening. We were camped in a lay-by with not a single house in sight, not bothering anybody so why hoot? I guess it must be funny (well, if you have a brain the size of a pea it might be).
Hubby is always very observant and aware; I try to be but am a bit dozy
As we prefer to be on our own in a very remote spot, it does pay to be observant. We have rejected many apparently ideal spots and moved on because one or other of us just didn't think it felt right. I wouldn't underestimate your gut feelings - they are based on sound reasoning, I think, although you may not be consciously aware of what it is that's making you uneasy.I hate campsites (or the big, organised ones at any rate - don't mind little CLs and CSs too much) so we always wild if we can and I think the chances of you getting into serious trouble are very, very remote. Maybe not as remote as winning the lottery but still extremely unlikely so just keep you eyes and ears open and enjoy yourselves!
Tigatigatiger
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in some places stopping for a spot of lunch can be iffy!
We stopped in thetford forest a few weeks back (mid week lovely day), pulled into car park and parked up well away from entrance and road. I took the dog for a walk and Johnny got the kettle on and sandwiches made. We had our butties and a cuppa, John was zzzing it on the bed I was reading a book laid on the sofa bit, door open and the dog on her lead.
Car pulled up, bloke got out walk round front of MH looking in, then walked right upto the open door, dog went off like a rocket and John jumped up, bloke sort of jumped and walked away, drove off then came back a number of times, so did others in other cars. In the end a few parked up and people walked off into the forest?
Funny we are off that way again on Friday and meeting up with my sister in Thetford forest-the only dogging we will be doing is walking the dogs! beofre heading off upto north norfolk coast.
We talked to a friend who lives in thetford after and he said is was a dogging hot spot!
We are staying for a few days at a caravan club rally-I've told her she'll have the throw her keys one night! LOL
We stopped in thetford forest a few weeks back (mid week lovely day), pulled into car park and parked up well away from entrance and road. I took the dog for a walk and Johnny got the kettle on and sandwiches made. We had our butties and a cuppa, John was zzzing it on the bed I was reading a book laid on the sofa bit, door open and the dog on her lead.
Car pulled up, bloke got out walk round front of MH looking in, then walked right upto the open door, dog went off like a rocket and John jumped up, bloke sort of jumped and walked away, drove off then came back a number of times, so did others in other cars. In the end a few parked up and people walked off into the forest?
Funny we are off that way again on Friday and meeting up with my sister in Thetford forest-the only dogging we will be doing is walking the dogs! beofre heading off upto north norfolk coast.
We talked to a friend who lives in thetford after and he said is was a dogging hot spot!
We are staying for a few days at a caravan club rally-I've told her she'll have the throw her keys one night! LOL
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RomaDenizen
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your opinions on the following please ?
- motorway service stations
- industrial/business parks
- car parks of churches/pubs/schools/universities/airports
- ports
- quiet cul-de-sac's/crescents in residential neighbourhoods ?
- other places
- motorway service stations
- industrial/business parks
- car parks of churches/pubs/schools/universities/airports
- ports
- quiet cul-de-sac's/crescents in residential neighbourhoods ?
- other places
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I'd be careful about using motorway service stations, as only the first 2 hours are free, and paying for a legitimate overnight stay can be expensive. They quite often give you a voucher to spend in the services which does offset the cost a bit; we have used Gretna a couple of times, and had a lovely breakfast there. :tongue:
teamb
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Hi. When im traveling round the country and find myself close to a large town or cities. I tend to search out industrial estates. If you have ever noticed some of these industrial estates are large and small some, huge and located on the outskirts of large towns or citys and will have a quiet spot that truckers know about, as they overnight there. Often you'll find a number of long distance truckers overnighting in these places. In my mind if truckers park there, then it must be a good parking spot cause its in there own intrest to be on time for there next drop off in the morning as they need to have a good nights rest in a reasonable parking spot with no local idiots or doggers wandering around outside disturbing there sleep lol.
I certainly wouldn't park in the middle of or near a council housing estate where ppl are living. living there you'd find grannys,Net Curtain Twitches to dop on you to the local plod. a place where u'd find the local big bore exhaust boy racers in there maxed out subwoofered citroen saxos and idiots looking for stuff to break into and cause trouble. although that's not always the case, if you'll know what i mean!
At weekends industrial estates can be peacefull places cause some factory's tend to close down for the 48 hours and are covered by cctv. having cctv tends to put off thieves but not always. Having ppl around working on the estates is ok should you need to raise the alarm for help should you need it. im my mind i feel that on most industrial estates there are often no through road's leading to know place but industrial factories and normally you have to leave the same route you came on in and therefore only poeple who have any legit reason for being there are business ppl or factory workers on there day or night shifts.
I know different people have different preferences about overnight parking. in my own experience camping wild in a stealth campers on an industrial estate makes sense as it blends in to the background cause there are plenty of other white vans there already. if you are discrete as i am then you will never be asked any questions. But just don't stay in one place too long. on passing, a parked stealth camper transit can just look like any other van. someone's van who works in one of the factorys on the estate. no one knows any difference.
Ive also stayed overnight in beauty spots in the countryside places but somtimes those places can be spoilt by late night weirdos and doggers and am not taking about crufts lol. When i park up at night i always make sure i know the name and postcode where im parked up should i need to call for medical assistance or i need to conact the police. Camping wild at night may be unerving for some if your not used to it.
I certainly wouldn't park in the middle of or near a council housing estate where ppl are living. living there you'd find grannys,Net Curtain Twitches to dop on you to the local plod. a place where u'd find the local big bore exhaust boy racers in there maxed out subwoofered citroen saxos and idiots looking for stuff to break into and cause trouble. although that's not always the case, if you'll know what i mean!
At weekends industrial estates can be peacefull places cause some factory's tend to close down for the 48 hours and are covered by cctv. having cctv tends to put off thieves but not always. Having ppl around working on the estates is ok should you need to raise the alarm for help should you need it. im my mind i feel that on most industrial estates there are often no through road's leading to know place but industrial factories and normally you have to leave the same route you came on in and therefore only poeple who have any legit reason for being there are business ppl or factory workers on there day or night shifts.
I know different people have different preferences about overnight parking. in my own experience camping wild in a stealth campers on an industrial estate makes sense as it blends in to the background cause there are plenty of other white vans there already. if you are discrete as i am then you will never be asked any questions. But just don't stay in one place too long. on passing, a parked stealth camper transit can just look like any other van. someone's van who works in one of the factorys on the estate. no one knows any difference.
Ive also stayed overnight in beauty spots in the countryside places but somtimes those places can be spoilt by late night weirdos and doggers and am not taking about crufts lol. When i park up at night i always make sure i know the name and postcode where im parked up should i need to call for medical assistance or i need to conact the police. Camping wild at night may be unerving for some if your not used to it.
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As i have major toothache i thought i would offer my tips.
My first is deffinatly find your spot before it starts to go dark.
I personally try to stay away from towns or cities my rule of thumb is to get as far away from the nearest city/town and then turn off any main roads onto the less busy roads.
We try to stay away from car parks,i have found that if you arrive at a car park and spot single blokes just waiting about not doing anything then we go.I confronted a group of doggers or perverts when i started to wild so once you come across this situation its best to go and phone the old bill too and let them know,the sex offenders register could remove this filth from our car parks but however we dont have any law and order in this lawless country of ours anymore.Normally the signs are that the car park becomes like the m25 if it starts to get unnaturally busy then you should leave.Once you learn this lesson you soon become accustomed to avoiding it.
I also try to avoid car parks,unless i can hide away.
If all else fails i would be prepared to park on a nice quiet street in a well too do part of a town at least you are near civilisation if you need to raise the alarm.
As John stated it is a good idea not to park outside someones house unless nessarsary,if you do leave early to prevent annoyance.
You will soon learn how to pick up the vibes of wilding,we only had 2 occasions where we parked in a wrong area to wild and we have learnt to avoid these situations.
Also i would state to be more careful on the weekend when your boyracer brigade and perverts are more busy.
Above all if you do have a bad experiance dont become disheartened and give up with wilding the good wilding times always outweigh the bad ones by far.Just treat them as a learning curve and always park so you can drive away,incidently invest in some internal screens as opposed to the externals as these are straight forward to remove in a hasty retreat.
My first is deffinatly find your spot before it starts to go dark.
I personally try to stay away from towns or cities my rule of thumb is to get as far away from the nearest city/town and then turn off any main roads onto the less busy roads.
We try to stay away from car parks,i have found that if you arrive at a car park and spot single blokes just waiting about not doing anything then we go.I confronted a group of doggers or perverts when i started to wild so once you come across this situation its best to go and phone the old bill too and let them know,the sex offenders register could remove this filth from our car parks but however we dont have any law and order in this lawless country of ours anymore.Normally the signs are that the car park becomes like the m25 if it starts to get unnaturally busy then you should leave.Once you learn this lesson you soon become accustomed to avoiding it.
I also try to avoid car parks,unless i can hide away.
If all else fails i would be prepared to park on a nice quiet street in a well too do part of a town at least you are near civilisation if you need to raise the alarm.
As John stated it is a good idea not to park outside someones house unless nessarsary,if you do leave early to prevent annoyance.
You will soon learn how to pick up the vibes of wilding,we only had 2 occasions where we parked in a wrong area to wild and we have learnt to avoid these situations.
Also i would state to be more careful on the weekend when your boyracer brigade and perverts are more busy.
Above all if you do have a bad experiance dont become disheartened and give up with wilding the good wilding times always outweigh the bad ones by far.Just treat them as a learning curve and always park so you can drive away,incidently invest in some internal screens as opposed to the externals as these are straight forward to remove in a hasty retreat.
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I like quite residential areas. My small van blends in even though its an obvious conversion. You often see them parked in leafy avenues. Also car parks near fire or police stations but not too close either. Its difficult in larger towns because of hight barriers but the smaller places you can often get away with it.
John H
I'd like to add a 7b hope you don't mind?
If you want to leave stuff in or around the drivers seat at night then get one of those bright yellow plastic tubs from any DIY store and put it all in there. I can change place with it in a second and we have a hundred other uses for ours during the day.
Richard
John H
I'd like to add a 7b hope you don't mind?
If you want to leave stuff in or around the drivers seat at night then get one of those bright yellow plastic tubs from any DIY store and put it all in there. I can change place with it in a second and we have a hundred other uses for ours during the day.
Richard
RomaDenizen
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many hotels have a good residents car park. If some of your group is staying in the hotel, the others can often stay in the motorhome. This has the added benefit of using the showers etc. Any stories ? positive or negative on this ?
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I'd add that if you pick a layby, make sure it is WELL OFF the road!! We stayed in this layby on the B7076 near Gretna, and it was a nightmare!! It seemed pretty quiet when we parked up, and by then we were getting desperate, so we thought it was better than nothing.
WRONG!! it was a real nightmare!! We could have coped with the M74 practically next door, but not the lorries passing us at high speed - we thought the MH was going over, and it gave a whole new meaning to "rocked to sleep"!! THIS is the kind of thing that's bearable:
Good luck!!
(Sorry about satdish, but Husband is a TV addict, and having the dish up avoids wall to wall moaning all night!! We put it down after viewing, tho!!)
WRONG!! it was a real nightmare!! We could have coped with the M74 practically next door, but not the lorries passing us at high speed - we thought the MH was going over, and it gave a whole new meaning to "rocked to sleep"!! THIS is the kind of thing that's bearable:
Good luck!!
(Sorry about satdish, but Husband is a TV addict, and having the dish up avoids wall to wall moaning all night!! We put it down after viewing, tho!!)