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[mark61]

The conspiracy theorist trope is getting boring. There are conspiracy theories and there are alternative views.

Also, alternative views don't have to be complete bullshit, they can be half bullshit. Why be so binary in your thinking.

 

[mariesnowgoose]

So the WHO are the "be all end all"! What I like about people on subjects like this they have "their" opinion on issues like and "WANT" others to come up with the information because "THEY" cant be bothered (so, they are quite happy to sit back and believe one source of information because they can't be bothered too question)! I and other people like me I'm sure are frustrated that other people want to do the groundwork for them, which I get fed up with. If you don't believe and you can't be bothered too question there will be no changing your mind. Now as I have repeatedly said in this post I am not an antivaccer people choose what they want to do themselves it's their responsibility. But, everyone has an opinion on what they have looked into . I hear the MSM, but have doubts on their sincerity.

So far I haven't seen any reference or links in your posts to good, verified information that backs up your opinions.
You want us to do your research for you? That's a kinda *rs* about face approach, don't you think?
I'm not sure what you're trying to say. I've already posted that I respect your decision on vaccination.

On a personal front, I have looked at a wide variety of alternative viewpoints and 'opinions' throughout the whole pandemic so far.
I also question everything continuously.
I do that with most things in life, why wouldn't you? It's called keeping an open mind.

As for the WHO, they are not the only source of "be all and end all" information to make me think that the vaccines are OK.

What I would like to know (and what you haven't answered, but lazily sidestepped by effectively telling me to go look for the evidence myself), where is your solid, peer reviewed, scientific evidence that the vaccine has killed anyone?

I also note you haven't bothered to give a direct answer to the previous questions:

1. Do you have any underlying health issues that would make covid a danger to you?
2. Are you in any of the age groups more likely to die?

Any reason why you haven't answered? A simple yes or no to both questions would help.

The reason I ask is that most posters using this forum's coronovirus threads are in the high risk groups, or have relatives or friends who have died or been affected by covid, so it is an appropriate question to ask in terms of where you're coming from, imho.

 

[st3v3]

Also, alternative views don't have to be complete bullshit, they can be half bullshit. Why be so binary in your thinking.

You are quite correct, so I'll settle for half a link from WineyO.

 

[colinm]

The conspiracy theorist trope is getting boring. There are conspiracy theories and there are alternative views.

Also, alternative views don't have to be complete bullshit, they can be half bullshit. Why be so binary in your thinking.

WillyO was asked to provide some evidence or link to their "facts", none where forthcoming.
I have been challenged before now about "facts" I've posted, I either back up my claim or apologise if I've made a mistake or mislead.

 

[mariesnowgoose]

You are quite correct, so I'll settle for half a link from WineyO.

Hey, Steve, I have a longstanding and very dear friend living out in Australia who holds similar viewpoints to WillyO.

I have been trying for months to dissuade him from the "conspiracy theory" route.
Thing is, he's a (supposedly!) highly intelligent guy, so it's got me totally baffled!

One point worth making - I think my friend finds it easy to believe that the virus is a load of rubbish and that there is some conspiracy theory afoot because he doesn't personally know of anyone who has had covid.

Plus this is Australia we're talking about, where they've had minuscule infections and deaths in comparison to the UK.

Just sayin'

 

[Fisherman]

"The vaccine"! As for choice it is yours!

Willy, I and I assume non of us on here are experts.
But please allow me in layman’s terms to explain how I feel.
I will be getting my first jab next Saturday.
The way I see this is you have two choices.
Take your chance with the vaccine(s), or with Covid.
All my life I have relied and placed my trust in the medical profession.
I have been fortunate to date, not requiring much intervention.
I see no point in over examining something that I or you don’t fully understand.
Call it blind faith, call it what you like.

But one day we will all probably catch Covid, one way or another.
And if your immune system does not recognise the virus, because you were not vaccinated, or the viral load is large you may well perish. The vaccine will prevent both from ending your life.
Whatever you do Willy, all the best to you.

 

[mark61]

On subjects like this, there is little point in posting links. If you are that interested, you'll do your own searching. Theres a reason for the old adage, "you can take a horse to water, but a pencil must be lead" Is that the wrong adage?

Also we have liberal use of the old guilt by association fallacy, where people who are merely questioning what we are generally being told, are linked in with the most extreme of conspiracies. Ie, there are people who think covid doesn't exist, there are people who believe it does exist but the figures are manipulated, etc. Big difference.

A perfect example of this is the 5G transmitters. The MSM reported on conspiracy theorist saying that these transmitted covid. Most of the conspiracy theorists were actually saying 5G transmitters was damaging our immune system. Completely different things. I'm not suggesting either are true, just commenting on the bias in the reporting.

I have a good friend in Perth Australia too, I chat to him once a month or so. Far from a conspiracy theorist. He really though it was so bad over here that we have corpses in the street. We may have zombies, but thats another subject or is it?

 

[mariesnowgoose]

On subjects like this, there is little point in posting links. If you are that interested, you'll do your own searching. Theres a reason for the old adage, "you can take a horse to water, but a pencil must be lead" Is that the wrong adage?

Also we have liberal use of the old guilt by association fallacy, where people who are merely questioning what we are generally being told, are linked in with the most extreme of conspiracies. Ie, there are people who think covid doesn't exist, there are people who believe it does exist but the figures are manipulated, etc. Big difference.

A perfect example of this is the 5G transmitters. The MSM reported on conspiracy theorist saying that these transmitted covid. Most of the conspiracy theorists were actually saying 5G transmitters was damaging our immune system. Completely different things. I'm not suggesting either are true, just commenting on the bias in the reporting.

I have a good friend in Perth Australia too, I chat to him once a month or so. Far from a conspiracy theorist. He really though it was so bad over here that we have corpses in the street. We may have zombies, but thats another subject or is it?

My mate is in Melbourne.

What really started bugging me was that he just didn't believe what I was trying to tell him about the state of play over here.

They have had quite strict covid rules over there too, way different to here, which I suppose has helped move him down the 'conspiracy' route.

Couple of mutual friends (UK-based) have given up on him because of his entrenchment with conspiracy stuff
I keep trying...

 

[n brown]

having a bit of fun with my youngest sister , who doesn't realise that even though i'm not on facebook my kids are and report some stuff to me . like her son is a typical conspiracist and she's easily swayed , so she states she won't be getting the jab off bill gates etc
so when she rang i had a chance to tell her how pleased i was to get the jab , and what a relief it is etc , then going on to tell her i'd heard some people had decided not to bother with it ! what morons ,i laughed , swayed by other duckheads on faceache and not only prime candidates for the Darwin award but quite happy to spread the disease among the young and vulnerable - what kind of idiots are they - scared of the vaccines ingredients but happy enough to scoff a greggs sausage roll ! i did go on a bit i'm afraid . since heard she might have the jab after all !

 

[Deleted member 25361]

Willy, I and I assume non of us on here are experts.
But please allow me in layman’s terms to explain how I feel.
I will be getting my first jab next Saturday.
The way I see this is you have two choices.
Take your chance with the vaccine(s), or with Covid.
All my life I have relied and placed my trust in the medical profession.
I have been fortunate to date, not requiring much intervention.
I see no point in over examining something that I or you don’t fully understand.
Call it blind faith, call it what you like.

But one day we will all probably catch Covid, one way or another.
And if your immune system does not recognise the virus, because you were not vaccinated, or the viral load is large you may well perish. The vaccine will prevent both from ending your life.
Whatever you do Willy, all the best to you.

Thank you Fisherman yes I totally agree what you say mate we all have the choice. If you can measure my thought in this by the old saying measure twice cut once!

 

[Deleted member 25361]

So far I haven't seen any reference or links in your posts to good, verified information that backs up your opinions.
You want us to do your research for you? That's a kinda *rs* about face approach, don't you think?
I'm not sure what you're trying to say. I've already posted that I respect your decision on vaccination.

On a personal front, I have looked at a wide variety of alternative viewpoints and 'opinions' throughout the whole pandemic so far.
I also question everything continuously.
I do that with most things in life, why wouldn't you? It's called keeping an open mind.

As for the WHO, they are not the only source of "be all and end all" information to make me think that the vaccines are OK.

What I would like to know (and what you haven't answered, but lazily sidestepped by effectively telling me to go look for the evidence myself), where is your solid, peer reviewed, scientific evidence that the vaccine has killed anyone?

I also note you haven't bothered to give a direct answer to the previous questions:

1. Do you have any underlying health issues that would make covid a danger to you?
2. Are you in any of the age groups more likely to die?

Any reason why you haven't answered? A simple yes or no to both questions would help.

The reason I ask is that most posters using this forum's coronovirus threads are in the high risk groups, or have relatives or friends who have died or been affected by covid, so it is an appropriate question to ask in terms of where you're coming from, imho.

Q1/ No.
Q2/ 65 if that is the age too die as you seem too be an expert on this topic!
As, for proving anything I'm totally happy with my findings about this! And, as I've said before each too their own on what they decide too do. As your post suggests you have a one dimension approach to this topic!

 

[Deleted member 25361]

So it's complete bullshit then.

Not another?

 

[mariesnowgoose]

Q1/ No.
Q2/ 65 if that is the age too die as you seem too be an expert on this topic!
As, for proving anything I'm totally happy with my findings about this! And, as I've said before each too their own on what they decide too do. As your post suggests you have a one dimension approach to this topic!

... and you don't?

I didn't claim to be any kind of expert either.
That's why I have a BSc (bs) degree

 

[Deleted member 25361]

Say what you mean Colin.

As I have said it's your choice, if you want the vaccine , take the vaccine! My comments obviously wont sway you.

 

[Deleted member 25361]

... and you don't?

You obviously can't read!

 

[colinm]

Thank you Fisherman yes I totally agree what you say mate we all have the choice. If you can measure my thought in this by the old saying measure twice cut once!

It is totally up to the individual as to if they have the vaccine, and IMO that's how it should, there should be no forcible vaccinations, and that's where I'm a little weary on 'covid passports' as they might be used as coercion.

 

[Deleted member 25361]

If you're going to post views that are vastly different from what government etc. are telling us then you're going to have to back it up or else you just go down as another conspiracy theorist nutjob.

I'm assuming you've checked your information rather than just believing someone on YT/FB so why not link to what you found?

Your opinion, and you are entitled too it!

 

[Fisherman]

It is totally up to the individual as to if they have the vaccine, and IMO that's how it should, there should be no forcible vaccinations, and that's where I'm a little weary on 'covid passports' as they might be used as coercion.

I agree Colin with my political head (ooops not allowed ) but my pragmatic head says that vaccine passports of some kind are inevitable. And a direct consequence will be a greater take up of the vaccines. Greece has already indicated that it will allow tourists who can provide proof of vaccine. Pressure will grow on the government to help the tourist industry by having such a scheme. I reckon that the government are fully aware of this, but for the reasons you gave, will only initiate this when the time is right, and they can justify it politically.

 

[REC]

I am under 65 (just), no medical conditions, but a medical background which makes me question and evaluate any research. My decision to have a vaccination is based on the need to reduce risk to other people who are at vulnerable and others who do not know they are at risk. But especially those whom I worked with, several of whom have contracted covid, five staff in the hospital I knew personally have died and many more have been exposed to a high level of covid so are more likely to die if they contract it. Unless a high percentage of the population are vaccinated, the risk to others will continue. It seems very little to do.
But again, just my personal choice.
Edit: still waiting for a call though

 

[Fisherman]

A perfect example of this is the 5G transmitters. The MSM reported on conspiracy theorist saying that these transmitted covid. Most of the conspiracy theorists were actually saying 5G transmitters was damaging our immune system. Completely different things. I'm not suggesting either are true, just commenting on the bias in the reporting.

Come on Mark, we all know you started that rumour.