I am confused

[trevskoda]

I have a similar sys in the left seat and wish i could find the off switch.

 

[mark61]

Surely the important bit is 6a?

"(6) For the purposes of this regulation—

(a)a mobile telephone or other device is to be treated as hand-held if it is, or must be, held at some point during the course of making or receiving a call or performing any other interactive communication function;"

 

[mariesnowgoose]

I love my paper maps. They don't care if there's no digital signal, battery power or internet access - and they always work 24/7...

Getting lost or going down an unfamiliar road is all part of travelling around in my book, especially if you're not on a tight timescale.

Funny how we used to be able to find our way around in the past without the help of electronic devices. How own earth did we ever manage that?

 

[barge1914]

I love my paper maps. They don't care if there's no digital signal, battery power or internet access - and they always work 24/7...

Getting lost or going down an unfamiliar road is all part of travelling around in my book, especially if you're not on a tight timescale.

Funny how we used to be able to find our way around in the past without the help of electronic devices. How own earth did we ever manage that?

With great difficulty, when navigating the labaynthine motorway network of Paris, no chance of stopping to shuffle maps anywhere. We did it, but with much trepidation and trauma.

 

[barge1914]

What set me off on this question was while stationary at a traffic light, I found the the detail on my zoomed out map was not clear enough to see my upcoming right turn across the busy road. So I unconsciously touched the zoom button, then with hindsight wondered whether that was allowed. Certainly being more clearly able to anticipate the turn was safer than crawling slowly along holding up the busy traffic trying to spot my destination.
Given the variety of quotes, responses and interpretations so far the answer is not necessarily clear.

 

[colinm]

I love my paper maps. They don't care if there's no digital signal, battery power or internet access - and they always work 24/7...

Getting lost or going down an unfamiliar road is all part of travelling around in my book, especially if you're not on a tight timescale.

Funny how we used to be able to find our way around in the past without the help of electronic devices. How own earth did we ever manage that?

I also love a paper map, so much so that I have two filing cabinet drawers stacked full of them, and I would hate to rely solely on a satnag, but on the road satnag is king. Even on journeys I'm very familiar with they can prove their worth, I know the 'quickest' route to Addenbrookes like the back of my hand, I would never attempt that journey without a satnag and traffic alerts.

 

[marchie]

So following your link we arrive at...

(c)“interactive communication function” includes the following:

(i)sending or receiving oral or written messages;

(ii)sending or receiving facsimile documents;

(iii)sending or receiving still or moving images; and

(iv)providing access to the internet;

Whilst installed in the vehicle the Garmin satnav can do none of these?

'Right, sir, I am reporting you for driving without due care and attention ...'

Steve

 

[vindiboy]

I was taught this If it is doubtful don't do it , and if it is doubtful its dirty , clothing hee hee

 

[mariesnowgoose]

With great difficulty, when navigating the labaynthine motorway network of Paris, no chance of stopping to shuffle maps anywhere. We did it, but with much trepidation and trauma.

Point taken, but at my time of life I have no desire to get overly close to the roads around Paris - in fact, the further away from Paris (and too many people!) the better! I appreciate how Paris would be one of the worst places for a satnag to start acting up, though - they were a nightmare when I was there decades ago, I imagine they are terrifying these days!

Don't be mistaken in thinking I'm a total luddite though; I do regularly use Google Maps on my phone when driving.
A dedicated satnag is not one of my budget priorities, so I'm being no help to you at all, just using any excuse for a waffle - sorry!!

There are places you have to navigate occasionally that are overly congested, but I always try very hard to avoid them wherever possible.

Horses for courses

If navigation tech starts playing silly buggers, I would pull over somewhere safe and reset/check it before setting off again. If in doubt, pull over. Certainly wouldn't start fiddling with screen controls and taking my eyes off the road while driving. All clever tech is fine until it decides to act up.

 

[Bat21]

My son was reported to the Police by Jeremy Vine for picking up his 'phone from the passenger seat and placing it in the cradle whilst stopped at a red light.

JV as usual showed a video of him doing so and also wrote to his company trying to get him dismissed. Neither the Police or the company took any action, I think they just realised what a sad bloke Jeremy Vine is.

Have you seen Cycling Mikey on YouTube, or Cycling Soft Mick as I call him.
He goes around London in traffic jams videoing anyone he sees using a mobile phone, he then sends the videos to the police.
These are usually people who are in stationary traffic, but they still end up with 6 points because of the grassing bellend.

 

[mark61]

I'm looking forward to bumping into Cycling Mikey, JV too. Pair of sanctimonious doughnuts. Don't really cycle in JV's area much though.
To be fair to CM, a lot (not all) of the people he catches are complete morons, and need points and a fine.

JV is a complete tit though, zero road sense and makes a huge meal out of everything.

 

[mariesnowgoose]

Guess it must be different in other parts of the country, but I can honestly say I haven't come across many traffic cops around this area for yonks.
Way less than before the pandemic, that's for sure.

Or cops in general, for that matter! Unless there's a serious incident...

Chances of getting caught and done for tapping your satnag controls etc. would appear to be pretty slim round here these days - or am I completely out of touch on that front?

 

[Robmac]

I'm looking forward to bumping into Cycling Mikey, JV too. Pair of sanctimonious doughnuts. Don't really cycle in JV's area much though.
To be fair to CM, a lot (not all) of the people he catches are complete morons, and need points and a fine.

JV is a complete tit though, zero road sense and makes a huge meal out of everything.

That's what he did with my son. He was waiting to come out of a building site and setting his sat nav on the 'phone. The banksman then ushered him out so he threw his 'phone onto the passenger seat and pulled out into the road. At this point JV was about 30 yards away on his bike and shouted out a very dramatic "What the heck!" (or something like that) even though he couldn't have ridden into him if he tried. He then caught up with him at the lights and filmed him putting his 'phone from the passenger seat into the cradle.

Steven realised who it was as soon as he approached the car window demanding to know why he was using his 'phone whilst driving. Steven calmly explained what had happened and that he was not using the 'phone but merely putting it into the cradle whilst stopped at the lights - but of course JV edited all of that out of the video and didn't show any of the conversation at all - you can bet he would have done if Steven said what he wanted to say!

OK technically Steven was wrong and to the letter of the law maybe shouldn't have done it, but for that arse wipe to try and get him done and lose his job just shows what a complete sad knob he really is.

 

[mark61]

You might enjoy this, if you haven't seen it.
I know JV was not at fault here, but it still brings a smile. I never said I was nice.

 

[Robmac]

You might enjoy this, if you haven't seen it.
I know JV was not at fault here, but it still brings a smile. I never said I was nice.

I reckon he'd be devastated if he went out for a ride and there wasn't some sort of perceived incident!

Yeah the van driver was way out of order but JV didn't make any attempt to slow down when he saw it was obvious the van driver was going to turn, he was too busy tooting his tooter. And then to stand behind the van out of sight of the drivers mirrors...

 

[Martin P]

Whats with all these touch screens on modern cars?
A button or a knob you can press or turn without taking your eyes off the road. Touch screens are downright dangerous. Just cos they are cheaper to produce. Changes in design should be at least as good as previous systems. Being cheaper alone is not a good enough reason for change. They look flash but in use are not as practical. You cannot use without taking your eyes off the road.

 

[barryd]

Guess it must be different in other parts of the country, but I can honestly say I haven't come across many traffic cops around this area for yonks.
Way less than before the pandemic, that's for sure.

Or cops in general, for that matter! Unless there's a serious incident...

Chances of getting caught and done for tapping your satnag controls etc. would appear to be pretty slim round here these days - or am I completely out of touch on that front?

Never ever see them here. Certainly not traffic cops. The only place you will see them is on the A66 from Scotch Corner to Penrith but these will be mobile cash generators (Camera vans). I could ride my bike from here to Scotland across country naked doing 100 mph on one wheel and I wouldn't get nicked. They sometimes hang about on the notorious Hartside Pass in Cumbria waiting for naked bikers doing 100 mph on one wheel though but its ok, they let you know when they are coming on Facebook.

 

[Pudsey Bear]

What set me off on this question was while stationary at a traffic light, I found the the detail on my zoomed out map was not clear enough to see my upcoming right turn across the busy road. So I unconsciously touched the zoom button, then with hindsight wondered whether that was allowed. Certainly being more clearly able to anticipate the turn was safer than crawling slowly along holding up the busy traffic trying to spot my destination.
Given the variety of quotes, responses and interpretations so far the answer is not necessarily clear.

It may not be legal to do that but if so then adjusting the volume or station etc should be wrong too.

 

[colinm]

Whats with all these touch screens on modern cars?
A button or a knob you can press or turn without taking your eyes off the road. Touch screens are downright dangerous. Just cos they are cheaper to produce. Changes in design should be at least as good as previous systems. Being cheaper alone is not a good enough reason for change. They look flash but in use are not as practical. You cannot use without taking your eyes off the road.

There has been a backlash against having everything on touchscreens, many manufacturers are now including physical buttons for commonly used items such as heating controls, by far the worse car I've driven is the Volvo EX30, even have to use the screen to open the glovebox! It should have voice control which would be great, but it didn't work in the car I drove. BYD have a clever way of using touch screen to control temperature and fan speed, you swipe 3 fingers up and down for temperature, or across for fan speed, but I find I rarely adjust the temperature on my car as it's thermostatically controlled, what I do change is direction of heat depending on if the screen needs clearing.

 

[barryd]

There has been a backlash against having everything on touchscreens, many manufacturers are now including physical buttons for commonly used items such as heating controls, by far the worse car I've driven is the Volvo EX30, even have to use the screen to open the glovebox! It should have voice control which would be great, but it didn't work in the car I drove. BYD have a clever way of using touch screen to control temperature and fan speed, you swipe 3 fingers up and down for temperature, or across for fan speed, but I find I rarely adjust the temperature on my car as it's thermostatically controlled, what I do change is direction of heat depending on if the screen needs clearing.

Yeah cos thats such and advancement over simply opening the glove box in 1 second with its handle or turning the heater nob to red in about 1 second. Without I might add taking your eyes off the road for that 1 second.