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Five years in and I have only just learned that vans have different speed limits!

I include the info below for fellow dimwits (assuming they can read):





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Only if you did not change it to motorcaravan in the log book like mine.
not sure these days but when i was in biz you had to show prof of job/work to get any ins for a van as commericial use, you could not get ins for private use.
 
www.gov.uk

Speed limits

A limit of 30 miles per hour or 48 kilometres per hour usually applies to all traffic on all roads with street lighting
www.gov.uk www.gov.uk
 
EarthDemon said:
Five years in and I have only just learned that vans have different speed limits!

I include the info below for fellow dimwits (assuming they can read):





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The vans on the motorway is wrong. 70mph up to 7.5t maximum laden weight. From:


www.gov.uk

Speed limits

A limit of 30 miles per hour or 48 kilometres per hour usually applies to all traffic on all roads with street lighting
www.gov.uk www.gov.uk

What you've quoted for 3.05t is for motorhomes. And as Rob (EDIT: Mark...) says, it's 60MPH over 3.05 tonnes unladen weight, not laden.

Where did that screenshot come from?
 
trevskoda said:
Only if you did not change it to motorcaravan in the log book like mine.
not sure these days but when i was in biz you had to show prof of job/work to get any ins for a van as commericial use, you could not get ins for private use.
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Actually, according to DVLA when they rated our van as "van with windows".... the speed limits still apply as to motor caravans if it is used as one and meets criteria inside. Don't know if it has ever been tested, but we have it in writing.
 
st3v3 said:
The vans on the motorway is wrong. 70mph up to 7.5t maximum laden weight. From:


www.gov.uk

Speed limits

A limit of 30 miles per hour or 48 kilometres per hour usually applies to all traffic on all roads with street lighting
www.gov.uk www.gov.uk
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st3v3 said:
What you've quoted for 3.05t is for motorhomes. And as Rob (EDIT: Mark...) says, it's 60MPH over 3.05 tonnes unladen weight, not laden.
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Just to clarify a touch further, the 60MPH for over 3.05t Unladen is applicable as the National Speed Limit on Dual Carriagways. Motorway speeds for Motorhomes is 70MPH same as commericals


REC said:
Actually, according to DVLA when they rated our van as "van with windows".... the speed limits still apply as to motor caravans if it is used as one and meets criteria inside. Don't know if it has ever been tested, but we have it in writing.
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And .... the reverse is also true... If you have a "Motor Caravan" and it is being used as a commercial vehicle, then it is limited to commercial van speeds.
Speed Limits in the UK are often not about what the vehicle body type is on the V5C logbook, but what the use is of the vehicle at the time.
So all these folk who use their Campers and Motorhomes to go to Antique Fairs and Cat Boot sales as a way of earning money should drive as if they were driving a commercial vehicle.
I don't know if anyone gets pulled over, but who wants to be the first! (This is why when I converted my T5 Shuttle to be a Camper, I decided not to reclassify it to avoid the possibility when I used to go to Festivals with my trade gear).
 
wildebus said:
Just to clarify a touch further, the 60MPH for over 3.05t Unladen is applicable as the National Speed Limit on Dual Carriagways. Motorway speeds for Motorhomes is 70MPH same as commericals



And .... the reverse is also true... If you have a "Motor Caravan" and it is being used as a commercial vehicle, then it is limited to commercial van speeds.
Speed Limits in the UK are often not about what the vehicle body type is on the V5C logbook, but what the use is of the vehicle at the time.
So all these folk who use their Campers and Motorhomes to go to Antique Fairs and Cat Boot sales as a way of earning money should drive as if they were driving a commercial vehicle.
I don't know if anyone gets pulled over, but who wants to be the first! (This is why when I converted my T5 Shuttle to be a Camper, I decided not to reclassify it to avoid the possibility when I used to go to Festivals with my trade gear).
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Doing the above will invaladate the ins cover, soc dem and pleasure only, not trading at car boot sales or taking the mats drum kit to a gig.
 
Robmac said:
You can insure it as a business vehicle which will cover SDP as well Trev.
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indeed. For example, Comfort includes Business Insurance as standard on their Motor Caravan insurance, and it is available on other policies as well of course.

A little example....
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I never touched anything to do with the base vehicle when I did shows, just supplied bits of electric gear :).
I used to use A-Plan when I had VWs and I told them exactly what I was doing so they could do a policy that precisely matched my needs (they were often at the same shows I was as well ;) )
 
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mark61 said:
Can we go through the 3.05 tonne unladen weight again.
I forgotten what the conclusion was, but I remember it was fun getting there. :p:)
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The fun part of that bit of the rules is determining just how the authority that may be interested will actually know what a vehicles ULW is as it is not documented anywhere.
The weight quoted by Motorhome Manufacturers uses a different way of measuring than the DVLA/VOSA standard of measuring ULW.
And it is not possible to apply a formula based on the GVW (my 4.6t Motor Caravan conversion was under 3.05t ULW as I took it to the weighbridge after I got the new reclassification precisely to get a weight ticket to prove that before I then added OPTIONAL extras).
Unless someone has a significantly large and heavy Motor Caravan, the chances are they would be under 3.05t ULW. Using ULW really is an unenforceable measure.
 
Mine comes in at 4.3 ton on the bridge, log book says 6.4 in metric, i take it that the top loading, better not tell the wife or it will be cram packed.
 
st3v3 said:
The vans on the motorway is wrong. 70mph up to 7.5t maximum laden weight. From:


www.gov.uk

Speed limits

A limit of 30 miles per hour or 48 kilometres per hour usually applies to all traffic on all roads with street lighting
www.gov.uk www.gov.uk

What you've quoted for 3.05t is for motorhomes. And as Rob (EDIT: Mark...) says, it's 60MPH over 3.05 tonnes unladen weight, not laden.

Where did that screenshot come from?
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Really sorry if I've misinformed - a garage owner in Bridport told me and I then looked it up on Chat GPT - which can and does make mistakes come to think of it.
 
Interesting thread. I have a pop-top campervan based on the Transit Custom which the DVLA refuse to classify as a Motor Caravan (it fails their external appearance criterion, though ticks all the other boxes) so it’s classified as Van with Windows, type = LGV.
If I was doing 55mph on an unlimited single carriageway, or 65mph on a dual carriageway, I had assumed that I could be done because this would exceed commercial vehicle limits.

If I’ve understood this thread correctly, I could challenge/appeal any penalty issued (presumably based on a DVLA lookup) on the basis of its USE as a Motor Caravan. Do we know what evidence is most likely to win the challenge?

it’s chuffin obvious it is a campervan but the obvious doesn’t always work with the law!
 
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