How much to Upgrading alternator

Thanks for all the replies and advice. I had a 12v to 24v upconvert that I used on a radio project so I've installed that and it seems to be doing the job nicely and draws a little over 3amps.
I'm going to add extra earth straps to the alternator and see if that helps.
 
Anyone any idea of cost to upgrade alternator on a 2019 fiat ducato I'm using a sterling 60amp B2b and I've noticed that it's pulling my vehicle battery low every few minutes and can't maintain a high charge.Ive replaced the vehicle battery which was faulty checked the earths and positives the cable runs are all less than 2m from the vehicle battery maximum current into the 2 sterling 120ah li leisure batteries 40a dropping to 25a all cables 16mm2.

When first fitted all seemed to be working well for the first month. I've now set the B2B at half power and the system seems to be managing that. We are high usage wife is restricted so enjoys her TV and has a cpap machine we've managed the last 40yrs without using generators or shore power but it's looking less likely we will be able to maintain our off grid lifestyle without extra power in, sensible suggestions welcome (with the odd sarcastic comment thrown in).
I have a similar arrangement on my T5 VW, 180 amp alternator, but not in the real world, a 40 amp Sterling BtoB (the old metal cased one) charging a 100 Ah Sterling LiFePo4.
I've noticed that ambient temperature has a great effect on the charging, when the temp is down near zero I get the full 40amps but, like this summer 30 deg + it's dropped the charge down to 27 ish amps.
The alternator has built in temp compensation to protect the battery, assuming the battery is the same temp as the alternator, which is a bit of overkill as the alternator is tucked in behind the radiator and the vehicle battery is well ventilated, so as everything heats up the output voltage of the alternator reduces.
Together with all the volt drops associated with the cabling, fuses etc this severely reduces the ability to charge your domestic through the BtoB.
I did a test on an alternator to see what sort of effect this had, so I built a rig with a mains motor driving an alternator and set a load to draw about twenty amps.
running in unheated air I got 14.4 volts, fine. I then cooked it with a fan heater and lost over half a volt and I don't think the temp was as high as in the engine bay right close to the radiator.
I think you should be using MIN 25 mm2 cabling even for you 2 meter run, mine is a 5 meter run and I found it needed min 50mm2 cables
Sterling make an Alternator controller which I fitted to old Yanmar engine in a boat but it had all old alternator which you could get to the the built in regulator and bypass it, with most modern alt's I found it's almost impossible to do this as like everything now it's not designed to be 'fixed'. It's also not designed for LiFePo4 batteries but maybe could be kidded, reduce the float charge time.
Probably not much help but nice to hear someone else has noticed this effect.
 
Anyone any idea of cost to upgrade alternator on a 2019 fiat ducato I'm using a sterling 60amp B2b and I've noticed that it's pulling my vehicle battery low every few minutes and can't maintain a high charge.Ive replaced the vehicle battery which was faulty checked the earths and positives the cable runs are all less than 2m from the vehicle battery maximum current into the 2 sterling 120ah li leisure batteries 40a dropping to 25a all cables 16mm2.

When first fitted all seemed to be working well for the first month. I've now set the B2B at half power and the system seems to be managing that. We are high usage wife is restricted so enjoys her TV and has a cpap machine we've managed the last 40yrs without using generators or shore power but it's looking less likely we will be able to maintain our off grid lifestyle without extra power in, sensible suggestions welcome (with the odd sarcastic comment thrown in).
If you are testing the vehicle whilst parked, you will find that the alternator will drop to 40A output if it gets too warm. You need to test it whilst cruising.
 
Anyone any idea of cost to upgrade alternator on a 2019 fiat ducato I'm using a sterling 60amp B2b and I've noticed that it's pulling my vehicle battery low every few minutes and can't maintain a high charge.Ive replaced the vehicle battery which was faulty checked the earths and positives the cable runs are all less than 2m from the vehicle battery maximum current into the 2 sterling 120ah li leisure batteries 40a dropping to 25a all cables 16mm2.

When first fitted all seemed to be working well for the first month. I've now set the B2B at half power and the system seems to be managing that. We are high usage wife is restricted so enjoys her TV and has a cpap machine we've managed the last 40yrs without using generators or shore power but it's looking less likely we will be able to maintain our off grid lifestyle without extra power in, sensible suggestions welcome (with the odd sarcastic comment thrown in).
I think the output of your alternator
 
Anyone any idea of cost to upgrade alternator on a 2019 fiat ducato I'm using a sterling 60amp B2b and I've noticed that it's pulling my vehicle battery low every few minutes and can't maintain a high charge.Ive replaced the vehicle battery which was faulty checked the earths and positives the cable runs are all less than 2m from the vehicle battery maximum current into the 2 sterling 120ah li leisure batteries 40a dropping to 25a all cables 16mm2.

When first fitted all seemed to be working well for the first month. I've now set the B2B at half power and the system seems to be managing that. We are high usage wife is restricted so enjoys her TV and has a cpap machine we've managed the last 40yrs without using generators or shore power but it's looking less likely we will be able to maintain our off grid lifestyle without extra power in, sensible suggestions welcome (with the odd sarcastic comment thrown in).
I recken your alternator should be able to cope with both, maybe it"s not producing what it should. Not sure of the output but it will be high so as to cope with stop start town delivery work
 
I know this is an old post, but i'll respond anyway! The older Sterling BB1230/1260/1230/12120 B2B's in the white boxes have a habit of overheating. Its the overheating of the B2B that causes the charge current to cycle - once the B2B cools down a bit then the charge current comes back up again - its nothing to do with the alternator.

I recently replaced my old white-case Sterling B2B because it went up in smoke. I got like 4 years out of it and it was like £100 from their surplus store so I cant complain. I replaced it with one of their newer B2B's in a red metal case. These are far more efficient vs the older devices, they generate way way less heat. Mine is the BB1270 which reliably chucks 60A into my LiFePo4. (Remember that B2B's generally rate the input current, not the output current). My shunt indicates that it is pulling around 70A from the alternator. They also do a BB12120, but I decided that this might indeed over-stress the alternator.

I note that at tick-over, I only get about 45A into leisure battery - a few revs are required for the full 60A to leisure battery
 
Strange that it’s the B2B overheating causing the problem. My Votronic B2B is tiny in comparison to other makes and it will always push 30amp (it’s a 30a B2B) until my lifepo4 is almost full and it never overheats. I am always in the U.K. though
 
Thanks for all the replies and advice. I had a 12v to 24v upconvert that I used on a radio project so I've installed that and it seems to be doing the job nicely and draws a little over 3amps.
I'm going to add extra earth straps to the alternator and see if that helps.
I sometimes wonder if we should really be wiring these B2Bs back to the alternator rather than the cab battery, that way you're not relying on factory straps and terminals between cab battery and alternator/engine/gearbox/chassis etc.
These can be checked pretty easily by running the B2B for a couple of mins into a heavy load, either make sure the Hab battery is discharged somewhat or run a heavy inverter load. Any undersized cables will get warm and any poor terminals will get warmer, just feel around. If the current earth straps are remaining relatively cool then I cant imagine paralleling them will make any difference.
 
The BB1260 has two cooling fans they can go noisy and fail over time and can also get bound up with detritus especially if the unit is placed somewhere daft like Louise from Camper Vibe has done,

If sent back for an unrelated repair Sterling may suggest fitting new fans at the same time but there was also a known manufacturing fault where during assembly the wiring can get trapped between fan body and heat sink.

Cold creep can eventually cause a short and then the B2B can behave very weirdly.

Well worth taking the back cover off which is dead easy removing the pcb and checking the cabling is not trapped and at the same time blast out any dust dog hair etc!
 

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