Height barriers

[donkey too]

I am in talks with three local councils pertaining to barriers across the entrance to their car parks.

Does anyone know of and can supply me with references , laws, legislation etc as to what height they can be. what should or should not be displayed on them such as telephone numbers height etc?

I would appreciate any input here a.s.a.p. as the next meeting and site inspection is next Tuesday.

Many thanks in anticipation of you help.

Bruce

 

[ivecotrucker]

Good question; can't help I'm afraid but the majority we've seen around the UK have no height marking nor any other info.

 

[maingate]

A lot of them are 2 metres (6' 6")

 

[Tbear]

Hi Donkey too,

I do not think that there are any direct regs. Just the usual health and safety, duty of care stuff.

Good luck dealing with the Parking department.

Richard

 

[BrianG]

Sorry but I can't help with your questions but I really get peeved off with these pathetic height barriers. Shrewsbury park and ride, would you believe, has a height barrier. A retail centre opposite has height barriers also, and the actual barriers are just after you turn off meaning that before you realise you need to reverse a line of cars are sitting behind blowing horns like mad. These barriers are fitted apparently to prevent our old "friends" the gypsies gaining entry. It is another example of the authorities not solving the real problem. Punish the offenders not Joe public in general. Same thing applies to public toilets closed half the time because of perverts and vandals.
Cheers, a disgruntled Brian.

 

[roger kenward]

Has far as i know there should at least be a height sign other wise how does farmer giles in his four by four or bob the builder in his van know if they can fit under it you dont see multi story car parks with no markings . If enough people claim for hitting them they will soon put heights on

 

[David & Ann]

Has far as i know there should at least be a height sign other wise how does farmer giles in his four by four or bob the builder in his van know if they can fit under it you dont see multi story car parks with no markings . If enough people claim for hitting them they will soon put heights on

Our beach car park in Cornwall has a sign of 2.2m. The bar is really bent due to kids swinging on them like monkeys, so it is in actual fact 1.85m. It was measured and reported to the Council and they said they would get someone down to sort it. That was before the Summer season started on Easter day of this year.

 

[lotusanne]

Hi Bruce, also don't know but when i drove into the height barrier at our local railway station, I thought they might claim on my insurance, but never heard a dicky bird. A few people told me that they would be worried about getting prosecuted cos signs were very small and hard to see and wouldn't pass Health and safety regs.

I found this on the gov HSE website, got some info in it , hope it helps( http://www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/wpt10.pdf)

Try to make sure that your site keeps to the required
standards for height restrictions, where possible. The
standard minimum clearance over every part of the
carriageway of a public road is 16 feet 6 inches (5.03 m) but
remember that many site vehicles may be larger than those
allowed on public highways. When the clearance over any
part is less than the standard 5.03 m, provide warning signs
both on and before the structure. The stated clearance
should be at least 75 mm less than the measured height.
Where emergency vehicle access is required, you should
check the height of such vehicles with the relevant
emergency service. Roads and bridges are often not level,
and while a vehicle may be able to go underneath a bridge
at a certain point, there might not be as much headroom at
other points. Additional clearance will be required to allow for
road resurfacing. Changes in gradient may also reduce the
effective headroom for long vehicles.
Give prominent warning of any height restrictions, both in
advance and at the obstruction itself. Any potentially
dangerous obstructions such as overhead electric cables etc
need to be protected

 

[Deleted member 27306]

height barriers

A lot of the places I visit in Ireland have had the height barriers locks removed due to health and safety as emergency service vehicles may need access especially harbours etc

 

[defitzi]

height matter life or death or injury

Hi Bruce, also don't know but when i drove into the height barrier at our local railway station, I thought they might claim on my insurance, but never heard a dicky bird. A few people told me that they would be worried about getting prosecuted cos signs were very small and hard to see and wouldn't pass Health and safety regs.

I found this on the gov HSE website, got some info in it , hope it helps( http://www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/wpt10.pdf)

Try to make sure that your site keeps to the required
standards for height restrictions, where possible. The
standard minimum clearance over every part of the
carriageway of a public road is 16 feet 6 inches (5.03 m) but
remember that many site vehicles may be larger than those
allowed on public highways. When the clearance over any
part is less than the standard 5.03 m, provide warning signs
both on and before the structure. The stated clearance
should be at least 75 mm less than the measured height.
Where emergency vehicle access is required, you should
check the height of such vehicles with the relevant
emergency service. Roads and bridges are often not level,
and while a vehicle may be able to go underneath a bridge
at a certain point, there might not be as much headroom at
other points. Additional clearance will be required to allow for
road resurfacing. Changes in gradient may also reduce the
effective headroom for long vehicles.
Give prominent warning of any height restrictions, both in
advance and at the obstruction itself. Any potentially
dangerous obstructions such as overhead electric cables etc
need to be protected

this really should enforced unlikely however if a height barrier inhibits or prevents access by emergency vehicles ie ambulance surely 'elf 'n safety could be invoked. Alternately, will those who erect barriers which prevent access accept responsibility for death or injury?

 

[Firefox]

This link also has some useful information:

ABD - Height Barriers

 

[Bigpeetee]

I'll bet it contravenes the councils equality policy. Usually guff guff guff equal access to all etc

I have insisted that the council come and open the barrier to a council owned public car park as they are stopping me from using a facility that I as a rate payer provide. At first they were snotty, but when I started videoing they soon moved!!

I did request a key so that I could use the car park at my convenience etc but so far got nowhere.

This was in my Movano Hitop I use for work and close to the council offices. I was quite happy to lock up my van in the entrance one morning before all the council workers used the car park as it is my right to use any facility, not just those the council decide I can.

Up to now I've been too busy, but I will, trust me!!

Ask your local councillor in writing IF the council believe in and actually operate their equal opportunities policy and what they would do if the council went against their policy??? Don't tell them why you're asking until you've got a letter, then offer to take them in your van to demonstrate, arrange for the press to be there so that when said councillor exits your van because you cant enter the car park, the press will want photo's and answers. Puts them under a lot of pressure!!

 

[mark61]

I'll bet it contravenes the councils equality policy. Usually guff guff guff equal access to all etc

I have insisted that the council come and open the barrier to a council owned public car park as they are stopping me from using a facility that I as a rate payer provide. At first they were snotty, but when I started videoing they soon moved!!

I did request a key so that I could use the car park at my convenience etc but so far got nowhere.

This was in my Movano Hitop I use for work and close to the council offices. I was quite happy to lock up my van in the entrance one morning before all the council workers used the car park as it is my right to use any facility, not just those the council decide I can.

Up to now I've been too busy, but I will, trust me!!

Ask your local councillor in writing IF the council believe in and actually operate their equal opportunities policy and what they would do if the council went against their policy??? Don't tell them why you're asking until you've got a letter, then offer to take them in your van to demonstrate, arrange for the press to be there so that when said councillor exits your van because you cant enter the car park, the press will want photo's and answers. Puts them under a lot of pressure!!

Thats very interesting.

Where I live is all CPZ, one of the terms and conditions for a permit is,

"To qualify for a permit vehicles must not exceed a maximum of 5m in length, or 2.5m in height."

Do you see any reason why I couldn't use the same points you make.
Anymore further advice greatly appreciated.

I did manage to get a permit many years ago, but would like more ammunition this time around.
Last time after arguing with them over a few e mails, I pointed out the pay & display machines have no size restriction. They gave in immediately. I don't think that point will work now.

 

[Tbear]

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