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Hi
thanks for your reply, I'm even more confused now
tranivanman
thanks for your reply, I'm even more confused now
tranivanman
Tbear
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Hi
thanks for your reply, I'm even more confused now
tranivanman
This site might help
Rainbow Conversions - for all your motorhome needs
Then go to heaters, at least you will know what they look like and cost then. The convection heater do not need electricity but will burn lots of LPG in winter
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eberspacher drawing fuel at -30? Must be running on petrol or similar. Mine would stop drawing untreated diesel at about -2C. The van has a pump submerged in the tank, pushing the diesel through a much wider pipe to another pump on the engine. The eberspacher only has one pump and has to suck it all the way up from the tank through a very narrow pipe.
Never rely on one - always take warm clothing as well.
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The vehicle in question was a new style Autotrail based on the X250 Fiat. The Fuel Take-off comes direct from the sender unit, with the pipe routed direct to the heater via a dosing pump mounted in series. The routing of the hose was done in a maner of the shortest but most protected run as possible. I cannot comment if the customer put any alternative additive to the diesel in his fuel tank, but did make the point of how cold it was where he visited.
The other piece of feedback is from a customer whom had one of the first "Retro-Fit" Dual Tops installed, whom supervise a Ski School in the Alps (again Gas being the problem in terms of consumption). They were recording temps as low as -20 deg C.
Rgs
Nick
NicknClair
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Thermo C "Motorcaravan" is a coolant based system, which runs to a "Silencio" Air box. This "AirBox" is a mini radiator with 2 x fans that convert the heat to warm air via 3 x 60mm air outlets.
When doing my first "MAJOR" self-build, I used the Thermo C Motorcaravan with 2 x Silencios, but also ran the coolant system through a towel rail in the bathroom (similar to the one's you can buy in B&Q etc), as you can create a mix of Wet and Air on the Heating System.
The one thing I really loved about Thermo C is how quick it would get to temp for Shower water (using the Heat Plat exchanger Model) and the fact that whilst showering, the water would very rarely drop temperature.
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Those would be the least-aptly named devices ever put on the market. Silent my eye.
I bought some truly silent computer fans and chucked the screamers in the bin.
I guess the originals would have been perfect for shutting out background noise when wilding in a busy carpark, but we prefer to listen to the birds.
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Hence the reason why Webasto have modifed the way in which the Silencio's are wired with a new variable Climate control system - released Sept 2010.
You are right that when the original set-up was made, there was no way to vary the fan speed properly (slow would take ages to heat the van/moderate noise, high speed and it was a tad noisey to say the least), which Webasto acknowledged and changed the way it used these fans work in relation to the required cabin temp. Now the fans speed is fully variable to A) quiet down the noise when up to temp and B) make the system to prevent Cold Spikes in the coolant system when the old style Thermostat control all of a sudden engage the Silencio's fans. This would prevent the main Thermo Unit from having to fire-up fully and burn at a lower setting - thus less fuel used. Plus the controller is very easy to use and simplifies things.
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What fans did you use?
I have a Webasto Thermo 90 combined with Eberspacher heater matrix boxes, the original fans were unbearably noisy so I experimented with 'silent' 120mm computer fans. The really quiet ones I tried were not powerful enough to provide enough air flow, I currently have a couple of Xilruilian (X-Fan) RDH1225S fans fitted which are much better but not as good as the originals. They do however work well with a Maplins 12V speed controller. I want to get another one but Xilruilian fans seem to be unavailable outside the Far East at the moment so I'm looking for other suggestions.
AndyC
NicknClair
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I can look to see if the Climate control module kit can be sold seperate if you wish? PM if you want me to look further into this for you.
This kit allows the fan speed to be adjusted manually or Automaticly based on the kit's thermostat controller.
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Sorry, don't have the details of the fans. They were quite expensive computer fans - off EBay - and don't put out anywhere near the air that the originals did, but our cabin volume is low so they do the job. If I still had the originals, they would have had a boot put through them within the first hour and then I would have had no heating. This way I still enjoy having some heat.
I was mostly amused that such a noisy device had such a misleading name - or does "Silencio" mean "SHUT UP!!!!!!!!" rather than "quiet"
Good that Webasto in Europe have recognised just how loud their original offerings were.
I was mostly amused that such a noisy device had such a misleading name - or does "Silencio" mean "SHUT UP!!!!!!!!" rather than "quiet"
Good that Webasto in Europe have recognised just how loud their original offerings were.
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hi guys
got me a Eberspacher D2 from a 2005 transit van, 7day timer, pump, exhaust pipe but not all the wiring!!!! anyone know where to get parts other than Turkey!!!!!!!! as thats whats on Fleabay all the time.
tranivanman
got me a Eberspacher D2 from a 2005 transit van, 7day timer, pump, exhaust pipe but not all the wiring!!!! anyone know where to get parts other than Turkey!!!!!!!! as thats whats on Fleabay all the time.
tranivanman
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hi we have had the webasco deisel heating system fitted to our rapido. just the heater and not the full water heating.we did that because you have to have the whole of the truma boiler taken out plus the cost which is aroung three thousand pounds !!!
the model we had fitted is an air top 2ooo and have nothing but praise for this piece of kit.its economical and quite!! dont believe all you hear about the noise levels,its quiter than blown air heating.the company that fitted ours was towtal from fenton.hope this is of some help to you ancient mariner
hi we have had the webasco deisel heating system fitted to our rapido. just the heater and not the full water heating.we did that because you have to have the whole of the truma boiler taken out plus the cost which is aroung three thousand pounds !!!
the model we had fitted is an air top 2ooo and have nothing but praise for this piece of kit.its economical and quite!! dont believe all you hear about the noise levels,its quiter than blown air heating.the company that fitted ours was towtal from fenton.hope this is of some help to you ancient mariner
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and possibly puts out about a third of the heat.
My experience with both is that the truma puts out far more heat and air and the quality of the noise is better - a low air rush sound compared to the harsh whining turbine noise of the webasto.
Noise outside the van with a gas system is also less irritating to others than the webasto.
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Can you give us the cost please? TIA
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Fitting an Eberspacher or Webasto into a 'camping-car'...
Has anyone ever fitted an Eberspacher or Webasto heater to a car?
I'm still toying with the idea of replacing my Roo with a car (Doblo or Berlingo) fitted with removable modular units for camping, but it would require a means of heating for winter-wilding use.
Would this be a practical option or would the work required, including holes required for hoses etc, render the vehicle unsaleable?
Has anyone ever fitted an Eberspacher or Webasto heater to a car?
I'm still toying with the idea of replacing my Roo with a car (Doblo or Berlingo) fitted with removable modular units for camping, but it would require a means of heating for winter-wilding use.
Would this be a practical option or would the work required, including holes required for hoses etc, render the vehicle unsaleable?
NicknClair
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Still will be no issue with the AT2000ST Air Top system. The outlets can be worked to your adavntage and it takes up very little interior space. Please sent interior shots of the van to me (nickj@vanbitz.com) and I will take a look and offer suggestions.
Average fitted price inc VAT is £1299.00, with 2 years warranty. This is based on 2 x air outlets with a rotary controller.
As for noise, Dual Top is a different beast to anything ever done on Webasto's portfolio and I am over the moon with mine (Bearing in mind we have fitted loads of these units retro-fit as internal and external kits). Air Top AT2000 is using the new style variable burner system, with new silencers to reduce noise along with the Thermo C. However we (Van Bitz) have made some personal modifications to reduce the recirculation pump noise on the Thermo Top C and use the Climate System for the fans to vary the fan speed.
kevin marks
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wow many thanks for all the info and comments thinking now of webasto dualtop