Gas heater - which gas? Red or blue?

[oldish hippy]

Can't help much with the technical details Jess but it looks like the connection in your original post link won't fit a bog standard butane regulator (usually for a flexible hose onto a ribbed tube)
Anyway, a good tip for using butane in cold(ish) weather is to well wrap the cylinder in rockwool insulation....about 20 quid a roll from builders merchants, B&Q etc or free off cuts from any building sites near you. Worked well for me last winter....until I encountered -12 temperatures at Stonehenge!

thanks rt will get some carrier bags and raid the loft dont want that again no coffe that does put me in bad mood when it is lumpy in morning ok minus 12 was ok i didnt freeze just go a bit of condesation going to get a couple of blue brick and put thos on fire to heat up then pu on top of cokker as rads

 

[Firefox]

Either red or blue will work fine with the right regulator.

I'd wean yourself off blue though, because of the winter aspect. And red means you can fill your bottles with autogas at the petrol stations using an adapter. It's the same stuff except it costs £8 to fill a 6kg bottle not £24 for an exchange bottle.

 

[whitevanwoman]

anyway i've got a carver trumatic floor vented heater around, needs a hole in the foor about11x5 inches.you pay the courier its yours

Wow! Sorry only just seen this post. Missed it earlier. Thank you very much for the kind offer. i'm gobsmacked, much appreciated.

You know you'll have to give me instructions how to fit it, don't you?!

I'll PM you tomorrow. I do have a "spare" hole in the floor too which would probably suit



[To the tune of White Christmas...]

I'm dreaming of a warm New Year
Not like the one I had last year
When my teeth were chattering
Cos the wind and rain were battering
My only comfort was the beer .... :wacko:

 

[oldish hippy]

well if you want it wvw then ican arrange to get it to fire foxand when he up north he could arrange it with you i would pop over and see mr brown as he only a few miles away from me it is up to and if mr brown doesnt mind me picking it up

 

[whitevanwoman]

thanks rt will get some carrier bags and raid the loft dont want that again no coffe that does put me in bad mood when it is lumpy in morning ok minus 12 was ok i didnt freeze just go a bit of condesation going to get a couple of blue brick and put thos on fire to heat up then pu on top of cokker as rads

I have a small cast iron skillet which I got for 50p in a charity shop in the van for doing fried eggs etc, and I sometimes use that as a bed warmer / foot warmer.

After cooking in it, I clean it using kitchen roll and a splash of hot water (and sometimes a bit of sand if I'm near the beach) and then put it back on the stove clean to heat up, then wrap it in a towel and put into bed to warm it up. Then when I'm in bed it keeps my feet warm. When it's cooled down so there's no heat coming through the towel, then remove the towel and heat toes directly off it for another half hour or so. It works a treat, so long as you don't mind the odd greasy mark on the inside of the sleeping bag or on bedlinen, and make sure to clean all the fluff off it in the morning before using it for frying eggs :lol-053:

 

[scampa]

Hi WVW,

If I remember correctly, the capacity of a long wheel base, hi-roof transit van is 11.29 cubic metres, so according to the safety instructions posted earlier, this heater is not suitable for your van. (And that's before you consider the vans' contents, such as any (temporary?) fixtures and fittings, luggage, dog, cat, and a very slim WVW!)

anyway i've got a carver trumatic floor vented heater around, needs a hole in the foor about11x5 inches.you pay the courier its yours

If I were you, I would take up Mr Bs' kind offer of a Carver heater for your van, then get one of the normal domestic type gas heaters to use in your house, such as this one.... (It isn't too much dearer than the one you were going to buy)

4.2kw GAS CABINET HEATER PORTABLE | eBay

Just a couple of points (I hope they don't sound too negative?? :scared....

The heater you were thinking of really isn't suitable for an enclosed space such as a van, or even a house. It's more suited to use in a large open plan workshop, or an outside area such as a patio or yard.

With due respect, I couldn't recommend the idea of cutting a gas hose in the event of a fire, then dragging the cylinder to a place of safety. It sounds good at first glance, but if the gas from the hose ignites, then you would be dragging the burning gas with you (possibly igniting everything else as you go). And if it doesn't ignite, then you will have surrounded yourself in unburned gas, just waiting to go kaboom!! (burning gas is usually much safer than a quantity of unignited gas).

Here's a couple of links that you might find useful.

The first one shows which calor gas cylinders you can exchange with other types......

https://secure.calor.co.uk/ordercalorcylinders/SuitableCylinderExchange.asp

These two show the current prices of the various calor cylinders......

PROPANE (RED) https://secure.calor.co.uk/ordercalorcylinders/default.asp?PageType=propane

BUTANE (BLUE) https://secure.calor.co.uk/ordercalorcylinders/default.asp?PageType=butane

Hope you manage to keep warm (and safe!) this winter.

 

[Firefox]

No probs, I can shuttle it from Avebury to Helwith Bridge if needed

 

[whitevanwoman]

well if you want it wvw then ican arrange to get it to fire foxand when he up north he could arrange it with you i would pop over and see mr brown as he only a few miles away from me it is up to and if mr brown doesnt mind me picking it up

OH, I would give you a big smacker for that offer but I wouldn't want to make you blush

I've had a Baileys or 3 now and am a bit fuzzy in the head (more than usual) but I'll be in touch with Mr Brown and your good self sometime tomorrow once the paracetamol have kicked in and the hangover has worn off :scared:

Many many thanks to you good people. I hope to be able to return some favours some day. In fact, I could make you some home made 100% local cumbrian home spun hand knitted fingerless gloves or mittens if you would like some.

 

[scampa]

OH, I would give you a big smacker for that offer but I wouldn't want to make you blush

I think Hippy will be delivering the heater to you personally now. Probably within the hour!!

 

[oldish hippy]

I have a small cast iron skillet which I got for 50p in a charity shop in the van for doing fried eggs etc, and I sometimes use that as a bed warmer / foot warmer.

After cooking in it, I clean it using kitchen roll and a splash of hot water (and sometimes a bit of sand if I'm near the beach) and then put it back on the stove clean to heat up, then wrap it in a towel and put into bed to warm it up. Then when I'm in bed it keeps my feet warm. When it's cooled down so there's no heat coming through the towel, then remove the towel and heat toes directly off it for another half hour or so. It works a treat, so long as you don't mind the odd greasy mark on the inside of the sleeping bag or on bedlinen, and make sure to clean all the fluff off it in the morning before using it for frying eggs :lol-053:

ok will have to get a old cast iron pan dont need it for heating the bed just have to find a wicked woman for that lol no i have my hotties for doing that just bought a new hot water bottle in furry cover and have my other one as well sat here at moment with it on my back i use sleeping bag liners got some fleecy ones they wher cheap only 2 quid in tesco think they are a fiver now saves my decent sleeping bag from sweaty feet

 

[oldish hippy]

I think Hippy will be delivering the heater to you personally now. Probably within the hour!!

just in tescos now filling up with fuel think iget there and back on a tank full got flask of coffee beside me and sat nav as well just do it on tank full well 25 quids worth of fuel approx

 

[whitevanwoman]

just in tescos now filling up with fuel think iget there and back on a tank full got flask of coffee beside me and sat nav as well

Lol, so I can expect you sometime next weekend then? Poor Eeyore! Such a drive at this time of year! How cruel!

Although couldn't you just find a friendly truckie whose heading for Scotland and park Eeyore inside his container, just make sure he drops you off before you get to the Scottish Border!

 

[oldish hippy]

yes got pick the heater up first iforgot about that in my haste lol ps drop at the truck stopworked out fuel have added to other post

 

[sean rua]

OK, as WVW mentioned, different things suit different people.

I'm probably a bit too blase about gas and fumes and fire, bc I've had a lot of experiences with all three. In fact, I'm irrepairably damaged by fumes and toxins that overcame me when I was working in a tunnel in Dagenham years ago. So I'm well aware of the consequences.

Again, I've seen the welder's bottles go on fire scores of times, and I mean right at the valve on the top of the bottle.

Also, one time near Fleet, when we were tunnelling under the M3, we were working in compressed air and a spark off the burner's torch ignited some straw we had down there ( to control the ground and water) and then set fire to the hydraulics ( oil) leading to the shield.
It was pretty scary and we only stooped the fire by shovelling the sand onto the flames. The worst thing was the fumes and the lack of oxygen. I wouldn't recommend it for a healthy life!

I suppose I should have been more comprehensive when I said about cutting the tube.
If you fear ignition, then nip the tube first ( fold it over to kink and seal) with one hand, then slice through the tube between your hand and the fire.
We never used to bother too much with that as our priority was to get the cylinder away. Those cylinders cost money and the suppliers mightn't be too happy if they're sent back with the paint burnt off.

Be safe; be lucky!

sean rua.

ps

You might want to spliff up before reading this bit ( from the truth about co):

" Carbon monoxide is present in all tobacco smoke and is a health risk that all smokers should know about.

Cigarette users inhale four times the carbon monoxide found in car exhaust. The smoke from one pack of cigarettes can raise the carbon monoxide concentration in a home to twice the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) safety limit for outdoor air."

Don't have nightmares!

 

[Aladdinsane]

OK, as WVW mentioned, different things suit different people.

I'm probably a bit too blase about gas and fumes and fire, bc I've had a lot of experiences with all three. In fact, I'm irrepairably damaged by fumes and toxins that overcame me when I was working in a tunnel in Dagenham years ago. So I'm well aware of the consequences.

Again, I've seen the welder's bottles go on fire scores of times, and I mean right at the valve on the top of the bottle.

Also, one time near Fleet, when we were tunnelling under the M3, we were working in compressed air and a spark off the burner's torch ignited some straw we had down there ( to control the ground and water) and then set fire to the hydraulics ( oil) leading to the shield.
It was pretty scary and we only stooped the fire by shovelling the sand onto the flames. The worst thing was the fumes and the lack of oxygen. I wouldn't recommend it for a healthy life!

I suppose I should have been more comprehensive when I said about cutting the tube.
If you fear ignition, then nip the tube first ( fold it over to kink and seal) with one hand, then slice through the tube between your hand and the fire.
We never used to bother too much with that as our priority was to get the cylinder away. Those cylinders cost money and the suppliers mightn't be too happy if they're sent back with the paint burnt off.

Be safe; be lucky!

sean rua.

ps

You might want to spliff up before reading this bit ( from the truth about co):

" Carbon monoxide is present in all tobacco smoke and is a health risk that all smokers should know about.

Cigarette users inhale four times the carbon monoxide found in car exhaust. The smoke from one pack of cigarettes can raise the carbon monoxide concentration in a home to twice the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) safety limit for outdoor air."

Don't have nightmares!

I hope you have your tongue firmly in your cheek?

Cutting near straw (or any other flammable material) is irresponsible and stupid.

Risking you life and others to save a gas cylinder? same as above

 

[whitevanwoman]

OK, as WVW mentioned, different things suit different people.

I'm probably a bit too blase about gas and fumes and fire, bc I've had a lot of experiences with all three. In fact, I'm irrepairably damaged by fumes and toxins that overcame me when I was working in a tunnel in Dagenham years ago. So I'm well aware of the consequences.

Again, I've seen the welder's bottles go on fire scores of times, and I mean right at the valve on the top of the bottle.

Also, one time near Fleet, when we were tunnelling under the M3, we were working in compressed air and a spark off the burner's torch ignited some straw we had down there ( to control the ground and water) and then set fire to the hydraulics ( oil) leading to the shield.
It was pretty scary and we only stooped the fire by shovelling the sand onto the flames. The worst thing was the fumes and the lack of oxygen. I wouldn't recommend it for a healthy life!

I suppose I should have been more comprehensive when I said about cutting the tube.
If you fear ignition, then nip the tube first ( fold it over to kink and seal) with one hand, then slice through the tube between your hand and the fire.
We never used to bother too much with that as our priority was to get the cylinder away. Those cylinders cost money and the suppliers mightn't be too happy if they're sent back with the paint burnt off.

Be safe; be lucky!

sean rua.

ps

You might want to spliff up before reading this bit ( from the truth about co):

" Carbon monoxide is present in all tobacco smoke and is a health risk that all smokers should know about.

Cigarette users inhale four times the carbon monoxide found in car exhaust. The smoke from one pack of cigarettes can raise the carbon monoxide concentration in a home to twice the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) safety limit for outdoor air."

Don't have nightmares!

Presumably my every day CO level must be permanently above safe limits - might explain why I live with my head in the clouds alot of the time!

I tend to take the attitude that you should live for today cos you might get run over by a bus tomorrow

That said I don't (usually) take unnecessary risks, and from experience, I do try to look at the pros and cons, and to do my own personal risk assessment, taking into account my own skills, experience and knowledge which are going to be very different to someone else's in the same position.

Having had a cancer scare recently, it made me realise that there are things I would like to do in life, which I won't do unless I take a risk. Buying the van was one such risk. Sometimes the risk pays off, sometimes it doesn't. That's life and there's always something to learn from each and every situation.

 

[Robmac]

Like climbing a mountain really, worth doing, but you might fall off.

 

[whitevanwoman]

I hope you have your tongue firmly in your cheek?

Cutting near straw (or any other flammable material) is irresponsible and stupid.

Risking you life and others to save a gas cylinder? same as above

Look, I've tried to say this nicely but the hint has not been taken. So I'll just say this clearly now...

Please keep your negative comments to yourself and do not post them here. They are not welcome and will be reported from now on. I've been a member of this forum for a year now and during that time I've only reported a couple of other posts so reporting your posts is a measure of just how thoroughly p***ed off I am with your unwanted interference.

 

[oldish hippy]

well i got a heater in my hall way anyone want it lol and got my heater for my van not bothering with skillet got some more chunk a sash weight chuck it in the fire and the take it into van and put on top of cooker

 

[maingate]

Look, I've tried to say this nicely but the hint has not been taken. So I'll just say this clearly now...

Please keep your negative comments to yourself and do not post them here. They are not welcome and will be reported from now on. I've been a member of this forum for a year now and during that time I've only reported a couple of other posts so reporting your posts is a measure of just how thoroughly p***ed off I am with your unwanted interference.

And I think you need to take a chill pill missy. You seem to be getting above yourself.

You have asked for help and the advice offered has been in order to stop you being harmed by potentially lethal equipment.