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Norris said:
With regard to refilling gas bottles at a garage, the autogas pumps are set to switch off when they reach the maximum pressure aren't they? I would imagine that the pressure in a gas bottle is about the same as in my gas tank so it doesn't seem a problem.:D
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there has been a lot of talk about this, the pump needs to turn off when the bottle is about 80% full. If not you are in danger of liquid propane being pushed out of the valve and through your cooker when you us it
Proper refillable bottles have a float in them that will turn off the inlet valve when required during filling.

yes you can work out how much an empty bottle can take and fill it carefully, its possible but is it worth the risk some will say yes some will say no.
 
If all continental adaptors can be fitted its definately worth tinking about as its lots cheaper than a fixed tank or Gaslow system.
 
Dont frig around with Gas, thats my opinion. Pay a man to fit a proper Gaslow system that you and your insurance company can be happy with.

BD
 
NWPT said:
If all continental adaptors can be fitted its definately worth tinking about as its lots cheaper than a fixed tank or Gaslow system.
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Thats very debatable. Yes its cheaper but The Adapter on ebay is about £40 with postage, then you need to buy all the euro adapters you need. My fixed tank + remote fill point has cost just over 200 inc delivery and inc euro adapters and if needs be I can still plug it into a standard bottle.

For me it all depends how much value you place on the hastle factor and safety. I'm prepared to believe that its a fairly safe thing for the right person to be doing I am not convinced that its a safe thing for a 'numpty' to be doing. Overfilling a bottle is very dangerous no one has disputed that, there are known instances of overfilled bottles causing fires. Hense you will run into insurance issues and garages that will not let you do this. After filling up I would rather not have any worry.

I believe from earlier threads the same is true in europe, you will be refused at a lot of garages. One chap on here posted that he still carried other bottles and adapters for just such an occasion.

Ok so I have to pay an extra £100 - £150 for a fully usable system thats recognised across europe that I can refil at any LPG garage without any hastle. Thats 2 tanks of diesel in real terms, Personally I don't think the 'saving' is that great or worth it.

You pays your money and takes your choice
 
biggirafe said:
For me it all depends how much value you place on the hastle factor and safety. I'm prepared to believe that its a fairly safe thing for the right person to be doing I am not convinced that its a safe thing for a 'numpty' to be doing. Overfilling a bottle is very dangerous no one has disputed that, there are known instances of overfilled bottles causing fires. Hense you will run into insurance issues and garages that will not let you do this. After filling up I would rather not have any worry.
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Sorry, but many of us ,myself included, have disputed that. No more dangerous than filling up with petrol IMHO.


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derekfaeberwick said:
Sorry, but many of us ,myself included, have disputed that. No more dangerous than filling up with petrol IMHO.


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Ah ok, I thought that we all agreed overfilling a bottle was dangerous, ok maybe you can go more than 80%, What happens when you fill a bottle to the top then? In a car you spill some petrol, what would be the result of a bottle overfilling particularly when you come to use it?
 
biggirafe said:
Ah ok, I thought that we all agreed overfilling a bottle was dangerous, ok maybe you can go more than 80%, What happens when you fill a bottle to the top then? In a car you spill some petrol, what would be the result of a bottle overfilling particularly when you come to use it?
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Oops:eek: correct. Too early for the old eyes.
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No worries :0)
I'm not 100% against this as some are but I do believe when new posters ask this question they deserve to hear both sides of the argument :)

When I first saw the adapter advertised I though 'fantastic cheap refills' now I'm not so sure, in particular I have now found out they may not be made by a 'company' as such and approved but by a guy who buys the parts and puts them together himself.
 
Hi all, this must be the mad house..... Sorry, wont come in.

The difference between the Calor bottles and Gaslow is that Gaslow are desingned to be rfilled by you and Calor arent. Also the Gaslow have an overfilling safety valve. Stops you creating a nice reddish splash colour over the nearby wall when you get it wrong...

Nothing about being a wuss here, but just buy a Gaslow bottle and you can achieve two things.
I have used refillable LPG for 15 years and it can give you two things.. Allows you to enjoy cheap gas, and oh er... stay alive...

 
Plus you get a nice little filler cap on the side of your van just like a petrol filler cap so when you pull up to the LPG pump in any country they just think your filling up with LPG, no questions asked. In germany we came across two pumps that we didnt have adaptors for but the nice lady came running out with a box full and found us the right one. I doubt she would have been so helpful if I was pratting about with a bottle on the forecort.

We all like to save a few quid but for a couple of hundred quid to be safe when you spend tens of thousands of pounds on your MH why take the risk of not purchasing a proper system? I can understand people trying to cut corners with a cheap telly, Solar panel or sat dish but Gas? Nah.
 
I don't think I like the idea of a pressure relief valve, it says it 'DETECTS IT AND RELEASES PRESSURE' I prefer to work on my own system of weighing the bottle & if anything under filling it slightly. I have a proper refillable bottle (gaslow aren't the only ones who make these) I fitted myself with the filler on a bracket inside the locker. As I only have the one bottle I decided to carry a 6kg red propane bottle as a back up & also for the cadac gas bbq, for this one I have a filling adapter. If the calor was a reasonable price I probably wouldn't bother but at nearly 3 times the cost is some cases it's a bit of a rip off.
 
Kontiki said:
I don't think I like the idea of a pressure relief valve, it says it 'DETECTS IT AND RELEASES PRESSURE' I prefer to work on my own system of weighing the bottle & if anything under filling it slightly. I have a proper refillable bottle (gaslow aren't the only ones who make these) I fitted myself with the filler on a bracket inside the locker. As I only have the one bottle I decided to carry a 6kg red propane bottle as a back up & also for the cadac gas bbq, for this one I have a filling adapter. If the calor was a reasonable price I probably wouldn't bother but at nearly 3 times the cost is some cases it's a bit of a rip off.
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No I agree this is just an attempt to convince those who have not done their homework that these things are somehow approved. My concern is that users will just keep filling up until the valve vents. Surely this is more dangerous as the bottle could in theory be nearly full or full at this point :eek:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/LPG-PROPANE-A...ervan_Caravan_Accessories?hash=item3a5590ce1b
But its up to each of us to make our choice :)


I took delivery of my refillable kit today. Nice :) It does have a guage on it but its behind the outlet. Mind you not sure how I will see it inside the cupboard anyway so I will be carrying a little 4kg bottle as a backup

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Well for all those considering fitting a refillable gas cylinder themselves I can say its one of the easiest jobs I have done on the motorhome. The kit came as in the post above all I needed to do was drill 3 small holes for the filler point inside the gas cupboard and bolt the hose between the fill point on the cylynder and the filling point that I screwed onto the cupboard wall. Job done Cheap Gas from now onwards. I choose to put the fill point here for a 3 reasons
1. Its easier than drilling a hole in the van
2. You need to open the cupboard to turn off the gas when you fill this will make me
3. When I sell the van I will take it with me to the next van

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Filled up at our local LPG station. I've attached a set of POI's for the uk for a TomTom, if you want Europe email me but I got these from POIHandler - POIs like Speedcams, Hotels, Campings for your Navigation System
 

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As you say its not rocket science if you can use a spanner & drill a couple of holes its a piece of cake. Fitting the filler inside the gas locker is easier & far less daunting than drilling a hole through the van body.

I notice that you have the European adapters there as well, I keep mine in a small plastic container (the type you get vitamins in) with some of the hard foam type of packing to prevent the threads getting damaged. Also a coke :rolleyes: :D cap fits nicely over the gas filling point to keep the muck out.
 
Kontiki said:
As you say its not rocket science if you can use a spanner & drill a couple of holes its a piece of cake. Fitting the filler inside the gas locker is easier & far less daunting than drilling a hole through the van body.

I notice that you have the European adapters there as well, I keep mine in a small plastic container (the type you get vitamins in) with some of the hard foam type of packing to prevent the threads getting damaged. Also a coke :rolleyes: :D cap fits nicely over the gas filling point to keep the muck out.
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Thanks I'm happy with the result, It cost me £12 to fill the bottle, not sure what the same is from Calor about £27 maybe.

My kit came with a dust cover, I left it off for the photo :)
I like the idea of the little box, I'll do that. Just wondering what else to put in the cupboard now I don't need a second cylinder.

One word of caution for people, check where your wiring looms are, I originally thought about screwing the filler to the top of the cupboard but on checking I found that my wiring loom goes across the top.
 
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@ Biggirafe.

Do you have a link for your refillable kit that you have just fitted?

Regards,

Gary
 
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