From Scotland to England, over Coldstream Bridge.

Surely its down to where the goods leave from. The Scottish government cannot dictate to an English retailer what prices they must charge. They can perhaps if its delivered from a Scottish store but if the goods leave from say Carlisle surely not.
well, I would say "surely Morrisons, as a very large business, knows better than you and me what they need to do to adhere to the various regulations of the differennt nations of the UK?"

And Sainsburys ....
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And ASDA
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There was a discussion previously about Air Rifles. Your same "Surely its down to where the goods leave from. The Scottish government cannot dictate to an English retailer what prices they must charge" would be just as applicable to Air Rifles. MUP and Air Rifles Licencing are both Scottish Laws that retailers must adhere to if they want to sell products in Scotland.
Pellpax - an English Air Gun retailer ..... "We deliver air rifles and air pistols to your door weekly anywhere in England and Wales." Spot the missing Country?
However ... "For any customers in Scotland, we won't be delivering to that area at the current time, although we can transfer to your local Registered Firearms Dealer whereupon you can collect at your convenience". (My Weihrauch HW45 Pistol was delivered to a local dealer licensed to sell guns as it could not be delivered direct to me due to local regulations).
 
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well, I would say "surely Morrisons, as a very large business, knows better than you and me what they need to do to adhere to the various regulations of the differennt nations of the UK?"

And Sainsburys ....
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And ASDA
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There was a discussion previously about Air Rifles. Your same "Surely its down to where the goods leave from. The Scottish government cannot dictate to an English retailer what prices they must charge" would be just as applicable to Air Rifles. MUP and Air Rifles Licencing are both Scottish Laws that retailers must adhere to if they want to sell products in Scotland.
Pellpax - an English Air Gun retailer ..... "We deliver air rifles and air pistols to your door weekly anywhere in England and Wales." Spot the missing Country?
However ... "For any customers in Scotland, we won't be delivering to that area at the current time, although we can transfer to your local Registered Firearms Dealer whereupon you can collect at your convenience". (My Weihrauch HW45 Pistol was delivered to a local dealer licensed to sell guns as it could not be delivered direct to me due to local regulations).

Dunno but guns are a different matter I guess. There is no law against selling alcohol in Scotland but there are laws against Air Rifles without a licence. Im not sure how the Scottish Government could take action against a seller in say Carlisle selling booze under their new limits to say someone in Dumfries below their limits and shipping it to them. They would have no jurisdiction surely. No idea. I Could be talking bollox. :D
 
Dunno but guns are a different matter I guess. There is no law against selling alcohol in Scotland but there are laws against Air Rifles without a licence. Im not sure how the Scottish Government could take action against a seller in say Carlisle selling booze under their new limits to say someone in Dumfries below their limits and shipping it to them. They would have no jurisdiction surely. No idea. I Could be talking bollox. :D
But there ARE laws against selling Alcohol under a certain price, isn't there. Same as selling alcohol to people under a certain age. Or drink-driving over a certain limit (which was another pointless discussion about why should ENGLISH Drivers have their license removed if over the Scottish limit).

Doesn't matter a jot if you agree or disagree with any of these law. They are there and they are passed into law.
 
Dunno but guns are a different matter I guess. There is no law against selling alcohol in Scotland but there are laws against Air Rifles without a licence. Im not sure how the Scottish Government could take action against a seller in say Carlisle selling booze under their new limits to say someone in Dumfries below their limits and shipping it to them. They would have no jurisdiction surely. No idea. I Could be talking bollox. :D
Carlisle shops won't accept payment for alcohol from a Scottish address. (I know, since we have tried!!)
 
Carlisle shops won't accept payment for alcohol from a Scottish address. (I know, since we have tried!!)

Amazon will. I tried it yesterday.

Whether that price will change once this new levy kicks in I don't know. It really shouldn't though if the distributor is in England.
 
The article below only serves to highlight the utter stupidity of this levy.
In the past three years deaths from alcohol in Scotland have increased by 25%, with sales being reduced by 3.5% due to the levy. So folk who enjoy a wee drink are cutting back due to the levy, but those in need of help simply ignore it. This was highlighted years ago, but the muppets running this country chose to ignore what’s in front of them. I have highlighted the appropriate paragraph.

Did you all know that a GP earning £120,000 a year will pay £550 a month more income tax. All you hear from these idiots is “it’s only fair that the better off should pay more”. They ignore the fact that 11% of Scot’s pay 65% of the tax up here. We now have a 45% rate for earning over £75,000. So ask yourself here you are with your medical degree, and you are offered two positions, one in Glasgow, and the other in Manchester, where would you go.




Public Health Supplement-style levy for supermarkets selling alcohol could generate almost £60m per year to tackle drink-related harms, it is claimed.

Economic research from Fraser of Allander Institute suggests the move could bring in £57m annually.

The charity Alcohol Focus Scotland, which commissioned the study, said the proceeds could be used for prevention, recovery and treatment work.

Estimates suggest revenue from alcohol sales has increased by more than £30m a year despite a 3.5 per cent drop in purchases in the first year of minimum unit pricing.



The Public Health Supplement was in place from 2012 and applied to non-domestic rates for large retailers selling alcohol and tobacco. Set it 13p, it raised £95m before it ended in 2015.

The Scottish Government has committed to exploring its reintroduction. Scottish Labour has also called for a Public Health Levy to tackle alcohol-related problems.

João Sousa, deputy director of the Fraser of Allander Institute, said: "Different rates would naturally lead to different levels of revenue – for example, we estimate a 10p rate would bring in around £44m, and a 16p levy would bring in around £70m."

Alison Douglas, head of Alcohol Focus Scotland, said: "The Scottish Government has recognised the increasing number of deaths from alcohol, up by 25 per cent in the last three years, as a public health emergency, but to tackle this issue needs appropriate funding.

"By redirecting some of this additional money, can relieve the pressures that our health and social care services are experiencing and address the 40 per cent decline in people accessing specialist alcohol treatment over the past decade."

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Read your post with interest and don't dispute any of it.
The gov must be doing something right though given that the doctors etc aren't striking up there...
 
Read your post with interest and don't dispute any of it.
The gov must be doing something right though given that the doctors etc aren't striking up there...
They have got some things right, I would never dispute this.
But they are hell bent on making us different from the rest of the U.K., and come up with some hare brained schemes like this one. They on one hand complain about lack of cash, then hand out free bus passes for kids up to age 25, it just doesn’t add up.
 
There was a discussion t'other day on R4, it seems to be in dispute as to if it could be added as a tax, the other party's where open to talks about having a tax and spending on alcohol services, the Scottish government having withdrawn much of the funding for those services.
 
Read your post with interest and don't dispute any of it.
The gov must be doing something right though given that the doctors etc aren't striking up there...
There are more doctors, other staff and funding increases, yet the system is failing to treat more patients.

Which makes me wonder how figures are gathered and analysed to confirm the current MUP is working, when they cant managed run of the mill day to day health delivery. I would like to view the performance indicators on the current MUP.

Overall though, our system up here is badly managed. And I have had personal experience of this.
 

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