Fiat Ducato air suspension leak

Update.
Good news and bad!
I used the ultra violet dye and torch as recommended and found a tiny leak where the gauge screws into an aluminium block that the air line and fill valve also screw in.
I thought great I’ll just unscrew it and re-seal it.
I put a spanner on it and gave it a slight bit of pressure only for the fitting to snap off in the block, think it may have been made of chocolate tbh!
I then spent 2 hours in the garage drilling it out and re tapping it. Now it has a bolt bonded in the hole and I’m having to use an tyre pressure gauge thingy to check it.
Good news is that it appears to be holding pressure for now but I will monitor it over the next few days.
 
Update.
Good news and bad!
I used the ultra violet dye and torch as recommended and found a tiny leak where the gauge screws into an aluminium block that the air line and fill valve also screw in.
I thought great I’ll just unscrew it and re-seal it.
I put a spanner on it and gave it a slight bit of pressure only for the fitting to snap off in the block, think it may have been made of chocolate tbh!
I then spent 2 hours in the garage drilling it out and re tapping it. Now it has a bolt bonded in the hole and I’m having to use an tyre pressure gauge thingy to check it.
Good news is that it appears to be holding pressure for now but I will monitor it over the next few days.
Least you found the leak.....

Good chance IF you find a decent hydraulics/pneaumatic place you'll be able to get a adaptor to go from the gauge thread up to the next size up or so to reuse the gauge.
 
Yes most probably but I’m just going to check it over a week or so and if it’s not leaking leave as is.
I’ll check it with the tyre gauge when we do a trip.
Cheers all for the input
D
 
Hi, sorry, a bit late to the party, but for anyone else trying to hunt down difficult leaks on their air system, you may want to look at air escaping back through the non-retun valve and out through the pump. I've spent the best part of two weeks trying to locate a leak on my new twin gauge air suspension assist install on my 2012 Ducato. It's a good kit with everything you need to complete the task, so it was a straight forward job, with the only delay was releasing the old bumpstops.
Overnight, the nearside system lost nearly a bar in pressure. After much work, systematically clamping off the airline at different points I thought I'd finally found that the gauge was leaking at the union, so I remade the joint with locktight jointing compound and after the prescribed time, repressurised the system and it seemed to be holding, but the pressure was down by just over a bar the next day.
So a call to the supplier was made, and after laying out everything I'd checked and rechecked, he suggested adjusting the non-return valve, something I hadn't considered as it looked like a sealed unit. But with every other avenue explored and much leak test fluid spent to no avail, I disconnected the compressor line from the system, and after a quick squirt of test fluid into the open end of the line to the non-return valve, this revealed that the valve wasn't holding and air was leaking backwards through the compressor and out to air. And because this was all happening inside the pipework, there was no obvious indication of this that any amount of test fluid would have revealed the leak.
Following his advice I opened up the valve, and sure enough, it's possible to tighten down on an internal spring loaded valve and O ring seal, to increase the pressure against the inlet to seal it properly. The internal valve was quite loose and was letting air past the seal. I used a pair of fine needle nosed pliers to reach in and tighten the brass insert down to apply more pressure onto the spring, which in turn exerted more pressure on the O ring seal.
This cured the leak and everything appears to be holding pressure now.
In conclusion, I wish I'd investigated the non-return valve in the beginning as it would have saved much messing about, but with 24 separate joints to make, there's much potential for leaking joints and possibly faulty parts to check and recheck, so it's easy to overlook something that appears to be a sealed unit when you begin to check your own workmanship.
The other point I would make, is that although the supplier was really helpful and ultimately provided the answer to my issue, a short addition to the brief instructions included in the kit detailing the need to check and adjust the pressure in the non-return valve if a leak develops would be extremely useful.
I hope this helps someone in the future as it's a simple thing to overlook, and a nightmare if you can't track down this hidden fix.
 
I've spent the best part of two weeks trying to locate a leak on my new twin gauge air suspension assist install on my 2012 Ducato. It's a good kit with everything you need to complete the task,
Thanks for your input but could you tell us the supplier and the make please or if possible a link to supplier
 
Where do you get the UV leak detector stuff? Mine losses pressure in about a fortnight. Individual system on each side.
 
Thanks for your input but could you tell us the supplier and the make please or if possible a link to supplier
Hi, the supplier is Mar tech UK, I found them on eBay. Since my last post I still have a leak somewhere on the nearside. The offside is airtight and has never lost any pressure, but the nearside is proving to be difficult as the leak is very slow and always loses pressure overnight. As I have a good side and a leaking side, I'm putting it down to a bad connection but finding it is very frustrating. I've isolated the line section by section, but I have to wait 24hrs between adjustment to see if its fixed. I'm now testing the last fitting, which is the release valve housing by the gauge. It holds a schrader valve which I changed early on, but it may be the joint of the pipe to the fitting that's still leaking. We'll see this morning if the pressure has held or not before I unclamp the pipe. Just a further point, the system doesn't lose any significant pressure whilst driving, so it's really odd to have this overnight loss.
 
Where do you get the UV leak detector stuff? Mine losses pressure in about a fortnight. Individual system on each side.
Hi, I haven't used the UV stuff, (though someone else in the forum has), because it's an additive meant for liquids and I can't see how it may work it's way through the system. I've been using a gas leak detection fluid from the plumbers merchant, its like a better version of soapy water, and did highlight a leak back through the input line from the pump, and following advice from the supplier, I adjusted the non return valve which appeared to stop the leak. But as the leak is very slow, I was still not sure if it's completely stopped at that point, so I've added an in-line non return valve into the input line to be certain that the system isn't leaking back through the pump. But still the leak persists. Hopefully last night's clamping off of the line to the pressure release valve unit will have stopped the leak and I can go through the connection again. If not I'm a bit stumped as to what to do next. Probably another call to the supplier who invited me to call him if I can't find the leak. I'll post again when I finally sort it out. As I said in my other earlier post the offside is airtight, it's just the nearside that's got a 1/2 bar leak overnight, which is a 20% loss, and is too much considering I don't want to be there every day to pump up the airbag just to stop it being damaged by being squashed because its deflated.
 
N side on mine too. But only at a rate of 20psi / fortnight, so I'm making do as it is so slow.
 
OK, final update (I hope). Although the nearside airbag appeared to be holding its pressure, and indeed did so over quite a few runs out including a drive to the south coast from the Midlands, it did in fact have a very slow leak after all. Having checked and rechecked every fitting and connection the only thing not thoroughly checked was the air bag. Following advice from the supplier and spraying the whole bag with commercial gas leak detection fluid and pumping it up to 4 bars and laying under the van and waiting finally revealed a tiny leak where the rubber is clamped into the metal frame. I videoed this and sent it to the supplier, who immediately said he'd had a few come back out of this latest batch and would send a replacement. This came on the next day delivery service and has finally cured the problem. So in summary, the system was initially leaking back through the nearside non-return valve (nrv), and needed adjustment. This didn't seem to he completely successful, so second in-line nrv was fitted in the inflation line for good measure. Without access to a really good clamp, it's not easy to fully clamp off the plastic air line piping without damaging the pipes, so leaks can still be present beyond the clamp. And finally, although the airbag looks the business, they do leak from new, so if you have a suspected leak and you've checked all of your work, then check the air bag with a commercial gas leak fluid not just soapy water as the leak may be very slow and the proper stuff is sticky and does not run off but stays in place allowing the bubbles to be seen. The stuff I used was called Rotest from Rothenburger, and was bought from our local plumbers merchant. It comes in a small spray bottle, and is also great for checking your lpg gas lines etc. I hope my saga helps others, and I can say the airbags have markedly improved the general ride and reduced the harsh furniture destroying banging and crashing experienced on the modern road network.
 
I took the pipe out of the fitting on the bag and with a syringe put some of that tyre weld stuff in there, its finally stopped the leak!
 
Morning all,
I’ve got a fiat Ducato trigano tribute van conversion.
About 5yrs ago I fitted air suspension to the rear, all working fine but I’ve noticed over the last year that after about 2 weeks it’s losing pressure.
I’ve done the leak detector spray test but can not find any leaks, this may be to how slowly it’s loosing air.
Has anyone else had this problem and if so any tips please to solve it?
Thanks
D
I don't have AS, but i would guess you have air filled sort of rubber balls, which i would expect to lose air over time just like road wheel tyres do.i did have rubber ball rear spring asstance on a Bedford CA years ago. 12 up plus camping gear on the then shocking French roads meant we were on the bumpstops all the time, shaking the van to bits. Bought some hardish rubber balls from a beach shop, drilled holes in them and wired them to the rear springs with wire coathangers nicked from our girlfriend's luggage. exellent results, a smooth ride. After all the original Mini toad on rubber doughnuts it worked, even winning the Monte. Gone off piste a bit there!
 
I don't have AS, but i would guess you have air filled sort of rubber balls, which i would expect to lose air over time just like road wheel tyres do.i did have rubber ball rear spring asstance on a Bedford CA years ago. 12 up plus camping gear on the then shocking French roads meant we were on the bumpstops all the time, shaking the van to bits. Bought some hardish rubber balls from a beach shop, drilled holes in them and wired them to the rear springs with wire coathangers nicked from our girlfriend's luggage. exellent results, a smooth ride. After all the original Mini toad on rubber doughnuts it worked, even winning the Monte. Gone off piste a bit there!
The original mini RODE on rubber doughnuts the little toads!
 

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