Extended EU stay?

[Owlhouse]

OK - we all know about the 90day in 180 rule BUT can it be got round?
My devious plan is - fly out 3 months before expected travel to Spain (e.g.) for a couple of days on cheapest flight. This starts the timer for the 180 days. Fly back and plan trip.
Leave UK to wherever at the 3 month point and stay for nearly 90 days (take of days already used). At the end of this, fly back to UK (or out of EU) for few days to end 180 day period then fly back to where you left van and carry on for another 90 (ish) days.
Does this make sense? Can it be done? Am I barking up the wrong tree (or barking mad)?
I leave the floor open to you all.....

 

[rugbyken]

it’s a rolling 180 days so not a case of starting a clock , simplistic way is counting back if you haven’t been in the shengen zone for 90 days your in the clear

 

[Deleted member 84699]

No.
It's a rolling 180 days. Not fixed. So basically count backwards from the day it is, 180 days. If during that period you have spent 90 days in schengen area then you have to leave.
There is no way to join up your 90 day allowance into 2 consecutive periods of 180 which is what I think your getting at.
The only way to spend more than 90 days away from UK is to visit non schengen countries.

 

[r4dent]

Nice try, but no coconut this time.

If you don't believe us try one of the many 90 day calculators on the net.

The only way I've thought of so far is a name change and a new passport!

Any one know why that wouldn't work?

 

[trevskoda]

Irish and British passport, for a sum of money I will swear blind you are my long lost brother/sister etc.

 

[TJBi]

OK - we all know about the 90day in 180 rule BUT can it be got round?
My devious plan is - fly out 3 months before expected travel to Spain (e.g.) for a couple of days on cheapest flight. This starts the timer for the 180 days. Fly back and plan trip.
Leave UK to wherever at the 3 month point and stay for nearly 90 days (take of days already used). At the end of this, fly back to UK (or out of EU) for few days to end 180 day period then fly back to where you left van and carry on for another 90 (ish) days.
Does this make sense? Can it be done? Am I barking up the wrong tree (or barking mad)?
I leave the floor open to you all.....

Get yourself an EU spouse and travel with him/her.

 

[Pauljenny]

Get yourself an EU spouse and travel with him/her..

Make that " ...with him/her or They.."..
Get with it TJBi...
It's 2022 now.
You gotta be inclusive!

 

[Stanski]

Irish and British passport, for a sum of money I will swear blind you are my long lost brother/sister etc.

Have we the same Jeans?

 

[kensowerby]

Depend on whether they are Levi or strouse

 

[GMJ]

As said, it's a rolling 90/180. I know some folks have planned extended stays across the Continent but this involves staying for periods in countries outside of Schengen....like Croatia, for example.

 

[RichardHelen262]

Irish and British passport, for a sum of money I will swear blind you are my long lost brother/sister etc.

Do you hire your passport out ?

 

[Boris7]

Do you hire your passport out ?

Think of the pain of the plastic surgery, and then worse the mirror every morning.

 

[jagmanx]

Spending time in NON Schengen coutries is the only option

Note EU countries and EEC are all slightly different
EG Norway is outside one of the clubs but is part of schengen so no help
Yes Croatia Turkey good Romania maybe Morocco yes
Could do a nice trip say 40 days to Turkry as long as you like in Turkey thyen 40 days back
Tturkey is not 40 days travel so take in what you want in both directions
But wityh say 3 months in Turkey that give 6 months away !

 

[TJBi]

Spending time in NON Schengen coutries is the only option

Note EU countries and EEC are all slightly different
EG Norway is outside one of the clubs but is part of schengen so no help
Yes Croatia Turkey good Romania maybe Morocco yes
Could do a nice trip say 40 days to Turkry as long as you like in Turkey thyen 40 days back
Tturkey is not 40 days travel so take in what you want in both directions
But wityh say 3 months in Turkey that give 6 months away !

With 3 months in Turkey, surely that could be 9 months away?

 

[Owlhouse]

According to www.visa-calculator.com my plan works?
Enter a few days stay e.g. 12 Feb 22 for three days (exit 15th) then enter 16th May 22 and exit 9th Aug 22 and it will tell you that you can start another 90 days from the 11/08/22. So you should be able to leave the EU for a few days then come back for another 90?
Unfortunately the line below that says - "If you re-enter the Schengen area on 08-11-2022, you can stay 90 days until 05-02-2023." Now does that mean the calc has the date order D/M/Y mixed up or it is just an example?
Over to you again .....

 

[TJBi]

The earliest that you can return is 11/08/22, because then the earliest days will start to drop off. But you can't stay long, because once those initial 4 days have dropped off, you've hit the 90 days and no more days are available to drop off. I thought at first, from your description, that it was a case of one date being US-formatted, but try re-doing your calculation with 10 days added to each of your dates.

 

[Owlhouse]

I think I'm going to have to try another way of doing a long stay - probably the long visa route? When I input the devious master plan with the next set of days it tells me I'm going to get arrested (not in so many words!).
It was worth a try and at least it got the brain cells working. Anyway - ferry booked for mid March to Santander for nearly 3 months of hopefully sunshine.
Thanks for all your comments.

 

[barryd]

There is no easy way around it, people in third countries have been trying since long before ******. Long term visas are possible but not easy or guaranteed and costly and you have to apply to each country. I looked into one for France and it (at the moment) is a none starter. As the UK allows Europeans six months in the UK I believe it would have made sense for the government to have tried to negotiate a similar deal for UK citizens travelling to Europe but then of course nothing about ****** or this government makes any sense. (oops sorry no politics).

The best plan I came up with for a five to six month summer trip was a month or so in Ireland late Spring, Ferry from Ireland to France Two and a half months touring western Europe, out of Schengen and six weeks or so in Croatia before spending two weeks back in Schengen getting to Calais and home. That would be my plan but not in this current van which is a bit past it now but hopefully one day soon in a new one.

 

[Annsman]

I think I'm going to have to try another way of doing a long stay - probably the long visa route? When I input the devious master plan with the next set of days it tells me I'm going to get arrested (not in so many words!).
It was worth a try and at least it got the brain cells working. Anyway - ferry booked for mid March to Santander for nearly 3 months of hopefully sunshine.
Thanks for all your comments.

You can only get a long term visa if there is a humanitarian reason for you not leaving a Schengen Zone Country. For example, serious health issues, but it means you need hospitalisation, not just "walking wounded"!
Just so you know, they DO count the days. At the Eurotunnel border and Ferry borders. It can, as you say, result in your arrest and a fine up to €10,000.

 

[Judek]

You can only get a long term visa if there is a humanitarian reason for you not leaving a Schengen Zone Country. For example, serious health issues, but it means you need hospitalisation, not just "walking wounded"!
Just so you know, they DO count the days. At the Eurotunnel border and Ferry borders. It can, as you say, result in your arrest and a fine up to €10,000.

What do you mean by this? If I get on a ferry from Spain to the UK on the 90th day, and my passport is stamped as I exit Spain on day 90, that's fine, right?