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[El Veterano]

I would imagine in the polls that a lot of remain voters claimed they were out voters and would now change their minds.

They cannot accept defeat!

We were remain, and are now even more convinced that it was the correct decision. We are over 65, are perfectly capable of Googling, but never once needed to Google 'What is the EU' as we have both lived and worked within the EU in our time and knew exactly what we were voting for. And it wasn't the pack of lies that Farage was feeding the 'Leave' camp with. We are by the way reluctantly content to except the decision of the referendum and would not be in favour of a re-run.

 

[Robmac]

We were remain, and are now even more convinced that it was the correct decision. We are over 65, are perfectly capable of Googling, but never once needed to Google 'What is the EU' as we have both lived and worked within the EU in our time and knew exactly what we were voting for. And it wasn't the pack of lies that Farage was feeding the 'Leave' camp with. We are by the way reluctantly content to except the decision of the referendum and would not be in favour of a re-run.

I'm not disputing the fact that you wouldn't change your vote. And respect your opinion on a re-run.

I'm saying that anyone who took part in the polls regarding changing their vote could easily lie to help swing a reversal of the ******. It would only work one way which is in favour of the remain camp.

 

[alcam]

Sounds like more propaganda to me!

I've still yet to meet a single person who voted out who would vote differently if a second referendum was held.

Reverse experience for me Rob . Posted before met a guy on the Friday after who was shocked and extremely worried at the result . Admitted in conversation that he'd voted out , just never thought it would happen . Several times on TV that scenario was repeated by out voters . No doubt in my mind there was a large protest vote . That obviously doesn't change the result .

 

[Robmac]

Reverse experience for me Rob . Posted before met a guy on the Friday after who was shocked and extremely worried at the result . Admitted in conversation that he'd voted out , just never thought it would happen . Several times on TV that scenario was repeated by out voters . No doubt in my mind there was a large protest vote . That obviously doesn't change the result .

I haven't seen any of that on TV. But then again, I don't watch a lot of TV.

I'm just relating my own experience. There is also a Daily Express article that says thousands of remain voters would have changed their votes! (which I also don't trust!)

 

[barryd]

Sounds like more propaganda to me!

I've still yet to meet a single person who voted out who would vote differently if a second referendum was held.

Really? ****** research suggests 1.2 million Leave voters regret their choice in reversal that could change result | UK Politics | News | The Independent

I live in the North East (well North Yorkshire) where a lot of people voted to leave. I have since talked to loads of people who didnt have a clue what they were voting for and now regret it and would now vote remain. Already!! One things for certain that number will increase not decrease. Maybe thats another reason they are delaying it so long so its not as massive a blow when we decide to stay in.

 

[Siimplyloco]

Really? ****** research suggests 1.2 million Leave voters regret their choice in reversal that could change result | UK Politics | News | The Independent

I live in the North East (well North Yorkshire) where a lot of people voted to leave. I have since talked to loads of people who didnt have a clue what they were voting for and now regret it and would now vote remain. Already!! One things for certain that number will increase not decrease. Maybe thats another reason they are delaying it so long so its not as massive a blow when we decided to stay in.

If all those people didn't have a clue what they were voting for then surely their vote either way can be disregarded. The same logic could - and probably can be- applied to the Remain vote!
John

 

[Robmac]

Really? ****** research suggests 1.2 million Leave voters regret their choice in reversal that could change result | UK Politics | News | The Independent

I live in the North East (well North Yorkshire) where a lot of people voted to leave. I have since talked to loads of people who didnt have a clue what they were voting for and now regret it and would now vote remain. Already!! One things for certain that number will increase not decrease. Maybe thats another reason they are delaying it so long so its not as massive a blow when we decided to stay in.

That poll was based on a much smaller number of people, and they claimed 7% would change which would equate to 1.2 million.

As I said, the poll would be so easy to corrupt it isn't true! I stand by what I said. I haven't met a single one who would change their vote on either side.

 

[Aquaticaquarian]

Really? ****** research suggests 1.2 million Leave voters regret their choice in reversal that could change result | UK Politics | News | The Independent

I live in the North East (well North Yorkshire) where a lot of people voted to leave. I have since talked to loads of people who didnt have a clue what they were voting for and now regret it and would now vote remain. Already!! One things for certain that number will increase not decrease. Maybe thats another reason they are delaying it so long so its not as massive a blow when we decided to stay in.

and as you were a rabid remainer you are more likely to believe any old pis* that gets printed to prove you were right all along and a vote for ****** was wrong. Anecdotal stories of people changing their mind is just that, the ballot box result proves that the majority preferred to leave the confines of the EU, anyone can say I voted to leave but now I wish I hadn't but where's the proof? Stories like this will not change the outcome of the democratic vote and your continual whinging at the result won't change it either......

 

[kris]

We voted OUT accept it and lets move ON!!!!!!

 

[Geraldine]

We voted OUT accept it and lets move ON!!!!!!

Hi ,So what's the master plan now?

 

[Aquaticaquarian]

Hi ,So what's the master plan now?

Well the first part of the plan is to try and stop idiotic questions like yours......

 

[Geraldine]

Well the first part of the plan is to try and stop idiotic questions like yours......

I think it's a fair question to ask. Anyone else out there able to answer for me.
Cheers

 

[barryd]

and as you were a rabid remainer you are more likely to believe any old pis* that gets printed to prove you were right all along and a vote for ****** was wrong. Anecdotal stories of people changing their mind is just that, the ballot box result proves that the majority preferred to leave the confines of the EU, anyone can say I voted to leave but now I wish I hadn't but where's the proof? Stories like this will not change the outcome of the democratic vote and your continual whinging at the result won't change it either......

Thats rich considering most who voted to leave believed the complete Pish that was sold to them like "we will control immigration" (not a chance and already gone back on). "We will give the money saved to the NHS" (Denied the very next morning). "We dont need the single market" (again apparently we do now which means IMMIGRATION". Thats what remainers are angry about. Its not whinging as you put it, its anger that half the country fell for a load of bollox the rest of us told you was bollox but you wouldnt listen. Yes the fact that many now want to change their minds and that huge amounts of people thought they could protest vote in a referendum **** is extremely frustrating but its the big stitch up thats upset everyone and led to half the country not accepting it.

The protesters have a big voice and it isnt going to go away anytime soon. If your all so confident that nobody has changed their minds then put your money where your mouth is and sign the petition for a second referendum which has already had over 4 million signatures. EU Referendum Rules triggering a 2nd EU Referendum - Petitions Lets do it again now we know the lies. It will still be a breeze for Leave wont it if your right so what have you got to worry about? If it is another vote to leave everyone will accept it now I think including myself.

The petition by the way was started by the leave campaign when they thought they were going to lose. Remember it was them and many ****** followers on here who kept saying "if its a vote to remain we may have lost the battle but not the war". There was no way the leavers would have let it go or given up but it seems now they lied their way into a very narrow victory we remainers should now shut up and go away. I think not.

 

[Deadsfo]

so it could take 2/3 yrs to actually leave, by which time things will have calmed down deals would have been done here there and everywhere ,money and shares will be steady and already discounted having had plenty of time to put in plans,so in a relatively calm world why should leavers change there mind .
Abd If there was another vote and it came in with the same figures but in favour of remaining what do you do then, have the best of three!! people underestimate the ability of the British people to prevail and succeed in this great change .My personal view is I will willingly take a lot of hardship to get our independence and sovereignty back,as my old man used to say his dad was in the trenches in WW1 he was in the RAF in WW2, and these people have taken our country without firing a bullet !!.OK a bit of an emotional view but thats how it should be, for christ sake its your country we are talking about.

 

[Geraldine]

so it could take 2/3 yrs to actually leave, by which time things will have calmed down deals would have been done here there and everywhere ,money and shares will be steady and already discounted having had plenty of time to put in plans,so in a relatively calm world why should leavers change there mind .
Abd If there was another vote and it came in with the same figures but in favour of remaining what do you do then, have the best of three!! people underestimate the ability of the British people to prevail and succeed in this great change .My personal view is I will willingly take a lot of hardship to get our independence and sovereignty back,as my old man used to say his dad was in the trenches in WW1 he was in the RAF in WW2, and these people have taken our country without firing a bullet !!.OK a bit of an emotional view but thats how it should be, for christ sake its your country we are talking about.

How has been apart of Europe effected you ?
What are the issues ?
What do you not like, where has it gone wrong ?

 

[Geraldine]

I didn't believe any "pish" Barry. We are all aware of how the system works, big fishes eat the little fishes. I know I do not want my hard earned taxed £ to the non elected hierarchy sitting on their useless arses in Brussels. What swung it for me, my niece had first hand observation, with her having a placement in Brussels (she missed the train station bombing by a half hour) her feedback of her period there, was an eye opener.

I don't know if you are retired, I am not, I'm still plugging away. I do not want my hard earned funding some lazy slob who has retired under the guise of a EU politician.

Are you talking about Nigel Farage ?

 

[Geraldine]

All of them. We only know the half, if that, of it. If you are retired, I can understand those wishing to remain.

I'm not retired, I work in the Social Care field, some of my colleagues are Polish and Spanish they are brilliant and so professional and caring,working in a low paid demanding job.
We are so understaffed that without them we would not have a service.
I have my concerns regarding the vote leave, so do they!

 

[barryd]

so it could take 2/3 yrs to actually leave, by which time things will have calmed down deals would have been done here there and everywhere ,money and shares will be steady and already discounted having had plenty of time to put in plans,so in a relatively calm world why should leavers change there mind .
Abd If there was another vote and it came in with the same figures but in favour of remaining what do you do then, have the best of three!! people underestimate the ability of the British people to prevail and succeed in this great change .My personal view is I will willingly take a lot of hardship to get our independence and sovereignty back,as my old man used to say his dad was in the trenches in WW1 he was in the RAF in WW2, and these people have taken our country without firing a bullet !!.OK a bit of an emotional view but thats how it should be, for christ sake its your country we are talking about.

Well I see it completely differently so we are never going to agree. You could argue though that those who fought in the two world wars and sacrificed everything did so to prevent the rise and spread of the Nazis so all of Europe could be free. A Europe together has helped keep the peace (just about) for many decades now. Already in the UK the far right have had a field day because of ******. Are we now proud that our hard working neighbours are being spat at and told to feck off back to Poland on the bus or that immigrant children from Europe are crying at school because they are worried about being deported? Hate crimes are up by over 500% and thats just after a week.

People gleefully said on here in the run up this could be the end of Europe and other countries will collapse and leave like its a good thing. The Far right are rising in Europe as well. That racist bitch La Pen is already vying for power in France. Is this what people want? Really? Its what happened in Germany in the late 30's and we all know how that went.

Remember it was Churchill that envisaged and spoke about his dream of the United states of Europe. And before anyone says its NATO that holds us together and keeps the peace its not. Its working and depending on each other that keeps the peace.

I think I said several times before the vote that its all about the economy well its about peace and keeping Europe together just as much. With every passing day I am starting to realise how important that is.

I think the powers that be realise that. There probably wont be a second referendum. Its probably not a good idea to let the public get involved again anyway but you can bet your bottom dollar there will be no real winners at the end of all of this. My best guess is we will stay in one way or another for the reasons stated above but will end up in a weaker position than we were. Who is going to be happy with that? We should have faced up to the fact that we were stuck with Europe and made it work from within as best we could.

Who really feels on here now that we will "Take back our country" as they keep saying? Who really now honestly believes that immigration will change or that we wont have to play by EU rules? Does anyone really still believe we will have any money left over from the £8 billion a year we paid in and it will go to the farmers, the researchers and the NHS?

Its a no brainer. Once people really start to admit to themselves that none of the dreams of a sunny 1950's Britain populated with all white english speaking people is never going to happen and they were sold a pup but their holidays, food, cars, mortgages, healthcare abroad etc are all going to cost more then yeah, they will want to remain.

 

[Robmac]

...........Its a no brainer. Once people really start to admit to themselves that none of the dreams of a sunny 1950's Britain populated with all white english speaking people is never going to happen and they were sold a pup but their holidays, food, cars, mortgages, healthcare abroad etc are all going to cost more then yeah, they will want to remain.

Nobody wants the 1950's Britain that you speak of. Why would they?

What worries people is a small island being flooded with uncontrolled immigration. We are told that the NHS would not survive without immigration. We are also told that it will not survive if we remain in the EU;

Britain's NHS can't survive staying in the European Union - Telegraph

NHS 'Scandal' As UK Pays Millions To EU

We are told that immigrants will pay our pensions. They will be the pensioners of tomorrow, NET immigration is well over 300,000 per year. So to pay their pensions we must need to take more and more ad infinitum? Where does that stop?

We are told that they come and do the jobs nobody wants, their kids won't want those jobs, they will grow up in British schools and want the same as their British counterparts.

We can still be out of Europe and take the immigrants we need, (and genuine refugees) but have it under our control.

We are already being offered trade deals, and I believe that if other countries leave the EU then they too will want to trade with us. I also believe that if the EU stays together, they would still want to trade with us, they would be mad not to. Even if we did have to pay a token tariff.

The ridiculous situation whereby the Parliament moves between Brussels and Strasbourg costing £300 million per year will not change, France will veto any move to change that.

Apparently the vast majority (84%) of resolutions put forward which are against British interests are pushed through because we are overruled.

Huge salaries, massive expenses. The EU is a gravy train and no matter how we try to change it we will only ever get lip service.

But the main overriding factor for me is overpopulation. Our roads can't cope, our countryside can't cope, we will never have enough houses, our atmosphere won't cope with the pollution. Our hospitals won't cope, our sewerage systems won't cope, our water supply won't cope.

These are my main fears and my reasons for voting out.

 

[barryd]

Nobody wants the 1950's Britain that you speak of. Why would they?

What worries people is a small island being flooded with uncontrolled immigration. We are told that the NHS would not survive without immigration. We are also told that it will not survive if we remain in the EU;

Britain's NHS can't survive staying in the European Union - Telegraph

NHS 'Scandal' As UK Pays Millions To EU

We are told that immigrants will pay our pensions. They will be the pensioners of tomorrow, NET immigration is well over 300,000 per year. So to pay their pensions we must need to take more and more ad infinitum? Where does that stop?

We are told that they come and do the jobs nobody wants, their kids won't want those jobs, they will grow up in British schools and want the same as their British counterparts.

We can still be out of Europe and take the immigrants we need, (and genuine refugees) but have it under our control.

We are already being offered trade deals, and I believe that if other countries leave the EU then they too will want to trade with us. I also believe that if the EU stays together, they would still want to trade with us, they would be mad not to. Even if we did have to pay a token tariff.

The ridiculous situation whereby the Parliament moves between Brussels and Strasbourg costing £300 million per year will not change, France will veto any move to change that.

Apparently the vast majority (84%) of resolutions put forward which are against British interests are pushed through because we are overruled.

Huge salaries, massive expenses. The EU is a gravy train and no matter how we try to change it we will only ever get lip service.

But the main overriding factor for me is overpopulation. Our roads can't cope, our countryside can't cope, we will never have enough houses, our atmosphere won't cope with the pollution. Our hospitals won't cope, our sewerage systems won't cope, our water supply won't cope.

These are my main fears and my reasons for voting out.

Yep I understand your reasons for voting out Rob, we have discussed it many times but as your own campaigners have all pretty much said since the result came in that immigration isnt going to change and now they are also saying we will have to access the single market which will mean a Norway type situation with free movement of people how is that taking back control and how is it going to address the immigration problem? It appears to me that we have sacrificed everything for none of the benefits you were sold by your very own campaigners.

I dont know how you feel but if I were a Brexiteer I would be pretty pished off right now. I would want what I voted for and what I was promised. The Government and parliament are massively in favour of Europe. Even the likely new leader (Theresa May) was in the Remain camp.

There are no easy answers but pulling out of the EU sadly is definitely not one.

I agree the EU has its faults and needs to change and I think it will, especially now. Perhaps thats what the Government are hanging on for.