EU licencing for drivers

[GWAYGWAY]

Seems the EU have thrown another scare story into the pile to stop the UK leaving.
This seems to say that UK haulage and driving licences are going to be no valid and special permit must be bought along with vehicle permits. Loads of boxxxcks I think but with the things going on we will not need to go abroad again after the coming conflict which is being arranged.
Have a look at this
https://ec.europa.eu/transport/site...***-notice-to-stakeholders-road-transport.pdf



What do you think???????????????????????

 

[sparrks]

Seems the EU have thrown another scare story into the pile to stop the UK leaving.
This seems to say that UK haulage and driving licences are going to be no valid and special permit must be bought along with vehicle permits. Loads of boxxxcks I think but with the things going on we will not need to go abroad again after the coming conflict which is being arranged.
Have a look at this
https://ec.europa.eu/transport/site...***-notice-to-stakeholders-road-transport.pdf



What do you think???????????????????????

The same day that happens we bring an identical system in play in this country - there must be 100's of thousands of foreign drivers on the roads over here. It is only fair to treat 3rd countrys the same.

 

[Les Haro]

Looks to me that the EU want the operator to be responsible and to be held responsible.
Looks like 'Stobart' and the like will have to have an office on the continent so they are within EU jurisdiction.
Just bureaucracy making jobs on both sides.

 

[QFour]

Looks to me that the EU want the operator to be responsible and to be held responsible.
Looks like 'Stobart' and the like will have to have an office on the continent so they are within EU jurisdiction.
Just bureaucracy making jobs on both sides.

You can now see why it costs so much to run the EU. Can you imagine how many man hours went into writing that load of bollocks. Think of all the Committees it had to pass through and all the lawyers who had a hand in writing it, all the research time and hours spent trawling through all the other articles referred to. How many more people are going to have to be employed just to work out what the hell they are talking about.

 

[GWAYGWAY]

They do not have committees in the EU it is decided by a commissioner and that is it, the Parliament have no say whatsoever with it they cannot make comment or change anything.

 

[Les Haro]

They do not have committees in the EU it is decided by a commissioner and that is it, the Parliament have no say whatsoever with it they cannot make comment or change anything.

Good bit of arse covering though.

 

[Tezza]

They do not have committees in the EU it is decided by a commissioner and that is it, the Parliament have no say whatsoever with it they cannot make comment or change anything.

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[Nabsim]

It is all linked in freedom of movement, if that is stopped then border controls tighten up and visa's and permit become the norm. As Graham says you used to need an International driving license and other things depending where you go or what you do.

 

[barryd]

I posted about this a month ago on another forum and it was dismissed as bollox.

No-deal ****** would trigger wave of red tape for UK drivers and hauliers | Politics | The Guardian

One of the concerns I think apart from all the red tape and time wasting that it will involve is the number of travel permits available

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"But the biggest long-term challenge for the UK freight industry is the tiny number of travel permits potentially available for British truck drivers if there is no other solution found through an EU trade deal.

Under existing international treaties there are between 103 and 1,224 permits a year available to deal with more than 300,000 journeys by 75,000 British trucks."

No doubt it will be something else to be swept under the ****** carpet that will somehow be "Alright on the night". The carpets getting a bit lumpy now.

 

[Channa]

UK hauliers have long been at a disadvantage compared with our continental cousins. Blame must lie at our own governments inability to fight our corner by not legislating excise rates etc ,

Lobbying groups like the FTA and RHA have largely been ineffective.

Figures will have changed, but from experience a 4x2 tractor unit with a tri axle trailer on air suspension to tax was £1200 per annum, The equivalent Dutch rig was paying £440 per annum.

The continental trucks also are paying far less for fuel, fitting extended tanks so not a drop of fuel purchased in the UK. Abroad out Hauliers having to pay tolls UK in the main don't have any !

To add insult to injury hauling out the UK on back load rates contributing to their already favourable efficiency.

How does a UK haulier realistically compete with this ? Bradford to Milan £1700 a rate not changed for possibly 10 -15 years,

Stobarts who were part of RBS a story in itself i.e RBS in for so much money they managed the business rather than pull the plug for a time have had depots in Belgium and Holland , they make nothing on Hauling but generate income from warehousing. The smaller independents simply cant compete.

All this has happened as part of the single market so I can only draw the conclusion we have had governments(all colours ) who have capitulated too easy.

If we do leave the EU in some form then hopefully we start to be a bit more proactive protecting our industries and if that means introducing tough measures for operating licences etc then so be it and driving permits, I wont hold my breath.

Channa

 

[Channa]

We used to deliver Rover car parts to Guadalajara (Madrid) for £1380 one way with a good paying back load.
The shipping agent Frans Mass undercut us to £1000 and subbed it out to Willi Betz for £700
How can you compete?
Also we did Petro chemicals in tanks to Madrid, then unload, and reload for three refineries in Portugal.
Sines, Lisbon and Porto. Then return with empty tanks to Madrid and change tanks again to bring back to the UK.
Before we were in the free market the charge was £8000 as the permits were like gold.
After we were in the Europe Union the charge was around £3000
Then we were under cut again!

You nicely reinforce my point Graham. Irrespective of outcome with ****** Free movement will play a part so any ideas that we will have a level playing field is no more than a wish !.

I rented a few trucks for continental use and was always an issue the cost of re patriation if they were involved in accidents which happened was incredible, Part the reason Willi Betz drivers were mechanics too!, If they broke down here fix it themselves another example of the UK economy receiving nothing,,,,yet causing wear and tear on our roads etc.....Single market isn't really the issue it is more the UKs inability to ensure tax rates etc gave us chance to play on an even playing field.

The problem never was Europe it was the UK

Channa

 

[antiquesam]

We now have the problem of hundreds of 3.5t Eastern European curtainsiders working the UK before taking a load back. I counted 22 on a run from Leeds to Portsmouth last week.

 

[mark61]

We now have the problem of hundreds of 3.5t Eastern European curtainsiders working the UK before taking a load back. I counted 22 on a run from Leeds to Portsmouth last week.

They stick out a mile, must be the only 3.5 tonners that don't go over 55MPH . Not just in the UK, all over Europe.

 

[GWAYGWAY]

Yes, it would go back to the days when I had to deal with 28 EEC permits and various other single trippers, I found we were in a very poor competative position when they allowed cabotage and the loads out, all went to the foreigner going home empty and willing to do it at fuel and mileage rates. Closed us down in the end, as the UK work was rubbish rate from the Docks taking trailers for delivery, The belgium were worst then the Eastern Europeans must have killed off the UK haulage business altogether. I gave up and went back to Uni ended up in the NHS.

 

[vindiboy]

Well we are playing tit 4 tat with Russia so whats new?

 

[alcam]

Yes, it would go back to the days when I had to deal with 28 EEC permits and various other single trippers, I found we were in a very poor competative position when they allowed cabotage and the loads out, all went to the foreigner going home empty and willing to do it at fuel and mileage rates. Closed us down in the end, as the UK work was rubbish rate from the Docks taking trailers for delivery, The belgium were worst then the Eastern Europeans must have killed off the UK haulage business altogether. I gave up and went back to Uni ended up in the NHS.

So , if I understand you correctly , you are saying things were really bad before we joined the EU ?

 

[RichardHelen262]

Before the Eastern European countries became part of the EU I was doing courier work all over Europe And was very busy, and would always be on the ferry with lots of other brits doing the same job along with many British truckers,
But after Eastern Europe became part of the eu, then within 12 months my work had virtually dried up and I would hardly ever see another Brit on the same ferry as me,
So hopefully the UK will make all the foreign drivers jump through the same hoops, as many of the foreign drivers are also moving goods around the Uk and undercutting Uk hauliers

 

[vwalan]

i am a beliver that it will go back to similar to how it used to be before we joined .
but even that as now changed there is no individual country borders ,eu is sort of one community . so it cant exactly go back to how it was .
we can make things as simple as we can if we look at what was or is now.
its like the drivers licence , no problem getting international drivers permit .
still need them if travelling the world . used to be a quid from rac if my memory is correct. i did need the two international ones when touring africa and india .
hardest bit for world travel was carne de passage .
but it can all be sorted . shame the journalists seem to keep making guess,s but making them sound like truths .
think many have no idea about traveling before or even now . its not hard .

 

[mark61]

It's not just UK, haulage companies from Spain to Denmark are up in arms regarding this.

 

[maxi77]

It's not just UK, haulage companies from Spain to Denmark are up in arms regarding this.

Didn't Boris tell us it would all be so easy. How any one believed that our association with the EU could be unraveled in two years especially when our numpties had no plan.