Emptying toilet cassette onto grass verge

[Deleted member 24156]

Doggie Bags

A little off post but Landyrubberstamp has a point my wife and I do a lot of Geocaching and the number of black doggie bags left behind trees, post box's etc is amazing. Dog owners never going to get caught but get bad name for them all. Same with motorhomers emtying cassettes in inappropriate places. Plenty of published £1000 fines the only way.

 

[Discoduck]

Waste disposal

We had a week touring from south to North Wales via Anglesey.
I found a couple of public toilets to empty cassette .
but i did wonder what the legal situation was .
had to wait till the cleaner had finished his cleaning dutys , and the looks he kept giving us.
or was i just feeling guilty.
left all as found,
did wonder in emergency would digging a hole in the ground in a suitable place be ok .
AFTER ALL SCOUTS AND GUIDES, WALKERS ETC HAVE BEEN DOING IT FOR YEARS.
rgds.dd

 

[landyrubbertramp]

Not sure about that assumption LT, consider the increase in potential water costs, sewage disposal etc, plus the investment of the waste point itself, where is the return on the investment ?

I dont think for a moment there would be a noticeble increase in revenue from accessory departments etc.

Channa

hi channa no i ment that the state and delaers only want ppl using campsites, by focing ppl thre banning parking in car parks etc to force them to campsites thus the investment can be made by camp sites as they have a forced market . the state in this country dont get the thinking of aries and never will due to the way we are governed i,e the process

 

[vwalan]

the caravan club and c,cc and another have represented uk m,homers for years . its totally against there interest to have aires and have gone against it a few times in discisions with govt, i say avoid the clubs dont give them your money and never use sites particularly theirs .

 

[Deleted member 967]

We had a week touring from south to North Wales via Anglesey.
I found a couple of public toilets to empty cassette .
but i did wonder what the legal situation was .
had to wait till the cleaner had finished his cleaning dutys , and the looks he kept giving us.
or was i just feeling guilty.
left all as found,
did wonder in emergency would digging a hole in the ground in a suitable place be ok .
AFTER ALL SCOUTS AND GUIDES, WALKERS ETC HAVE BEEN DOING IT FOR YEARS.
rgds.dd

You should only dig holes for disposal of toilet waste (where no other disposal method is available) with the permission of the landowner. That is the advice from Natural England to all exempted camping and caravanning clubs. Care must be taken not to foul water courses. The turf should be replaced afterwards.

Disposing of toilet contents, charged with chemicals to deodorise or disintegrate, should only be done at a marked disposal points or buried. Do not dispose of these in toilets as they can upset the septic tank or sewerage system in remote areas with little flow to dilute them

 

[landyrubbertramp]

the caravan club and c,cc and another have represented uk m,homers for years . its totally against there interest to have aires and have gone against it a few times in discisions with govt, i say avoid the clubs dont give them your money and never use sites particularly theirs .

100 percent correct alan, we have to remember that this does not boil down to common sense at all it boils down to money and vested interests. an example of this is when a campsite decides what type of van can and cannot go on its campsite. you may say well its a private matter but whats its realy about is they motorhome dealers and campsite owners wnat pp to buy motor homes not build your own m home. if you build your own you dont need a dealer or thier shop selling bits and pieces you can use the local baq and ebay for your bits.

 

[landyrubbertramp]

You should only dig holes for disposal of toilet waste (where no other disposal method is available) with the permission of the landowner. That is the advice from Natural England to all exempted camping and caravanning clubs. Care must be taken not to foul water courses. The turf should be replaced afterwards.

Disposing of toilet contents, charged with chemicals to deodorise or disintegrate, should only be done at a marked disposal points or buried. Do not dispose of these in toilets as they can upset the septic tank or sewerage system in remote areas with little flow to dilute them

lets get real here in the real world your parked up on a layby how are you going to be able to get the permission of the landowner , its not not relaisitc at all

 

[Smaug]

We had a week touring from south to North Wales via Anglesey.
I found a couple of public toilets to empty cassette .
but i did wonder what the legal situation was .
had to wait till the cleaner had finished his cleaning dutys , and the looks he kept giving us.
or was i just feeling guilty.
left all as found,
did wonder in emergency would digging a hole in the ground in a suitable place be ok .
AFTER ALL SCOUTS AND GUIDES, WALKERS ETC HAVE BEEN DOING IT FOR YEARS.
rgds.dd

Lots of discussion on this if you search, but in summary;

Putting cassette contents into a WC is OK - BUT if you use Formaldehyde based blue chemicals it can damage Sewage treatment plants & it is not good for septic tanks as it kills the bacteria that break down the sewage. Most on here either use no additives or Bio washing powder/ liquid or tablets which are less damaging to the environment.

Burying in extremis is OK, but you need to go fairly deep (say 18") and do it somewhere where no-one else is likely to go or to dig in the near future. Untreated sewage is rich in nutrients, but Formaldehyde treated sewage may kill vegetation. Well below the tide line on an unfrequented beach is another option, but again, you need to go deep & that is hard in waterlogged sand.

If I saw a cleaner in a loo, I would ask their permission (it's about politeness & not upsetting people) & use a cubicle that had not yet been cleaned, making sure it was cleaner after I left than before I entered. You want the to understand that you are not making their job worse by what you do.

Everything we do in our Motorhomes is seen by someone & we need to make sure that our image is squeaky clean, there are enough prejudices against "travellers", "freeloaders", "dirty campers" "Congestion causing, view spoiling, Ice-cream vans"etc etc without us feeding the fires with crass behaviour.

 

[landyrubbertramp]

lets get real here in the real world your parked up on a layby how are you going to be able to get the permission of the landowner , its not not relaisitc at all

sorry should have siad i dont dispose of my waste on laybys as i dont even have a casste toilet i just use an open top bottle at the momment and and use supermarkets etc for the number 2's

 

[Bushtrekker]

Interesting

We use a site every few days to get water and empty the loo, but none of them seem to have grey water grids like you get abroad. Surely it's not that difficult?

 

[tony]

SMAUG

well said. this is what i have been trying to get across but you have a better way with words than me.
we dont want people to look at us in the same way as the "travellers" that dont give a damn.
i know we are all travellers but you know the type i mean.

tony

 

[Smaug]

I don't have a lot of site experience, but the three touring sites I have used in the past year all had "grey water" grids signposted near the toilets. In fact, the one at Glan Llyn, Bala actually has signs asking campers NOT to put grey waste in the soak-aways by taps to prevent smells & flies around the drinking water supply & directing people to the correct disposal point.

Try asking the site owner/ manager, they will surely help.

Sites were Bala (N Wales), Ardgarten Forest (upper Loch Fyne) & one near Silverdale (opposite Wolf House gallery)

 

[crabs121]

This was happening on the sea front at Cleveleys.Near Blackpool.People emptying their toilets over the sea wall.Now there is a 4 hour parking limit overnight.

 

[Neckender]

I used to stop at Clevelleys regularly and walked my dog up and down the front early in the morning and late at night and I can honestly say that I never saw any toilet waste dumped over the sea wall, I've seen used nappies and rubbish left by the odd motorhomer but most left by day trippers.

John

 

[vwalan]

so now you have four hours to tip your toilet over the wall . cured nothing . better to tip them over blackpool .ha ha .

 

[Discoduck]

thanks for the advise .
rgds.dd

 

[Smaug]

so now you have four hours to tip your toilet over the wall . cured nothing . better to tip them over blackpool .ha ha .

Nobody could tell the difference there.

BTW do Traffic wardens work all night in Clevelys then?

 

[Discoduck]

emptying cassette toilet

thanks for the advise.
rgds.dd

ps. we stayed in lay bys most nights and taking the dog for a walk it was obvious that people were using the hedge row as an open toilet.

 

[scampa]

Lots of discussion on this if you search, but in summary;

Putting cassette contents into a WC is OK - BUT if you use Formaldehyde based blue chemicals it can damage Sewage treatment plants & it is not good for septic tanks as it kills the bacteria that break down the sewage. Most on here either use no additives or Bio washing powder/ liquid or tablets which are less damaging to the environment.

I thought I had a good understanding of this subject, UNTIL I read all of the many threads on here in recent weeks! It could be an overload of info and opinions that's causing my temporary confusion, but could we please confirm the basic facts again?

I understand that biological washing powder (incl liquid and tablet form) will do a SIMILAR job as the blue toilet chemical; ie treat the waste and help to mask any odours. But because it works BIOLOGICALLY, it will also kill the bacteria that would otherwise break down the solid waste, thus making it UNSUITABLE for emptying in most out-of-the-way public toilets (in the wilds) that are likely to work on the septic tank principle?

So, are we saying that:

1. BLUE chemical should only be emptied on campsites, which have a separate holding tank to store it until it is removed by tanker to a specialised treatment plant?

2. BIO washing powder MAY be emptied on campsites (as 1.above) and also into any WC (or manhole) that is connected to the mains sewage system, but NOT into any septic tank system?

3. GREEN chemical can be safely emptied into any mains sewer, campsite holding tank, PLUS any septic tank system?

4. UNTREATED waste can be safely emptied into ANY system (similar to the GREEN chemical above)?

5. How about NON-BIO wash powder? Would it be effective at all? Could it be safely emptied as per 3. and 4. above?

(6. If you choose to ask the landowner for permission to bury your waste, HOW exactly would you phrase the question? ).

PS. Although I included the quote from Smaug, the query is open to anyone with suitable knowledge and experience!

 

[sean rua]

Scampa,

I see "subject normal" ie. "crap" is as popular as ever!

From what Mr Thompson has said I'm not sure that burying or spreading waste is legal in Great Britain. Whatever the law, folk will do what they gotta do. It seems dogs have more rights than humans in this department, and they even have their "owners" clean up after them - except for the wee, of course, which must be as "toxic" as anything we humans can produce ( perhaps?).

Anyway, for a comprehensive and authorative reference, there's something in the ranting and raving section of the forum. It's from Finland, but there is English.
It's under "Good idea or Plain Stupid".

Globally, we have to switch to "dry" methods and composting.
Vwalan seems to be ahead of the game and definitely on the right lines, imo.
Reed beds are the answer.

Back to basics.

sean rua.