East Lothian 'Consultation' i.e. crackdown - Have your say by 1st March 2021

Jimhunterj4

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I’ve visited EL since I started motorhoming and I can say that over the past few years I have avoided going there just for the reason that I don’t feel welcome, and for them to post about loads of campers in tents etc and ban us from visiting, well they can cram it there’s plenty places to park up other cool than there, wait till the lockdown eases a bit and the weather gets warmer and the tent brigade show up lol excrement and bog roll everywhere not a motorhome to be seen who can they blame then ?
 

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That consultation has brought the wrath not of God, but of Motorhomers down on their heads. Dunbar CC are looking at ways to cater for motorhomers.
 

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Feedback from LMRs consultation





Please read the 'LMR proposal document' before answering the questions.





Particular matters relative to the proposed Rules that may be subject of comment include:


  • The distinction between camping and residing in a motorhome.
    • Is this clear?
    • Do you agree that these ways of visiting and enjoying the outdoors need to be managed differently?
    • Do you have any further comments on this topic?




  • Support of responsible “wild camping”
    • Is this the only form of camping that should be supported in Countryside sites, Parks and Greenspace?
    • Do you have any further comments on this topic?




  • The General Rules Applicable to All Areas identify some behaviours that need to be regulated because of disruption to the enjoyment of others.
    • Are there other behaviours that you feel should be included?
    • Do you have any further comments on this topic?




  • The General Rules Applicable to All Areas makes mention of dog free areas.
    • Do you support the principle of dog free areas?
    • If so for what reasoning?
    • Do you have any further comments on this topic?




  • The Rules Specific to Motor Vehicles confine vehicles to designated parking areas and designated roads only
    • Do you agree or disagree with these restrictions?
    • Do you have any further comments on this topic?




  • The Rules Specific to Motor Vehicles restrict overnight parking.
    • Do you agree or disagree with this restrictions?
    • Do you have any further comments on this topic?
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ELC is terrible to deal with although visit east lothian seem more sympathetic if toothless. I have complained several times over the years since the dreaded height barriers came in. I'm all for improving the services provided at the carparks and appreciate that parking charges are an inevitable consequence but as a disabled driver whose only transport is my m/h what do I do, even for a day visit? responses vary from a pdf of carparks with height restrictions to use public transport and caravan sites. definitely not the most welcome council in scotland!
 

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For all the good it will do, but I sent this today.:cry:

Dear Sir/Madam,

After studying your proposals for East Lothian car parking and use of Motorhomes, I wish to highlight my views on these proposals.
I looked at the questionnaire provided, and found it to be inadequate for purpose.

I am familiar with East Lothian, having spent many wonderful times on its coastline over many years. In recent years we have witnessed poor behaviour, of which on two occasions we have reported to the council. One incident on fisherrow in Musselburgh were loud music persisted to after midnight, loutish behaviour from drunks, litter strewn all over the beech and carpark, water taps left running, dog mess not cleaned up, and our Motorhome was struck with a stone convinced us never to return. Yet one month later barriers were erected preventing Motorhome owners from using the carpark. Clearly there are manifold problems there, yet the answer was to prevent us from using fisherrow seemed quite frankly wrong. We were never the main problem there, yet we alone were dealt with through the use of barriers and signage. I know for a fact that the local shops benefited from our presence.

We have noted problems with cars barbecuing inconsiderately, tents being erected then rubbish being left in the morning, throughout the region.

To propose that all Motorhomes should be herded into one sole carpark at Barns ness is totally unacceptable and shows a lack of knowledge of what we are all about. I don’t wish to park in a carpark full of Motorhomes, normally we much prefer to park in quieter locations. Our last visit was to just outside the silver sands car park. We love that location and have been going there for years. We normally spend a night at the camping and caravan site near there to empty our toilet cassette, and grey water tanks, and to replenish our fresh water tank. But on our last visit we found tents were pitched in the carpark, and the beech, and fires burning with refuge strewn around them.

Most Motorhome owners are either retired or close to retirement. We have worked all our lives, paid our taxes and respect local environments. I was a firefighter for over 30 years. Yet we are made to feel unwanted and no better than a problem to be dealt with by East Lothian. Other regions such as Highland, and Fife have taken a different course.

It seems to me that East Lothian treat us with disdain, barriers and signage everywhere to prevent us from parking and enjoying such a wonderful environment. Whilst those who spoil it for others with their anti social behaviour, and lack of respect for the environment are still free to return each year, whilst each year we find places that we went to for years are now out of bounds to us.

Times are changing some parts of Scotland are starting to see us not as a hinderance, or a problem to be dealt with but an opportunity. But the reality is our numbers are growing each year, and last year due to Covid manufacturers and suppliers could not supply demand. You are basing your judgments on an exceptional period last year, things will calm down once we are through Covid.

I think consultation with other regions would be advisable. Simply in effect banning us from your whole region accept for one location is not reasonable or the answer to your perceived problem. Yes as I have noted there are problems in your area, and I am not denying that a small part of this is due to poor behaviour within our community. But we are far from your main consideration, yet time and time again we bear the brunt of your draconian measures.
I must disagree with your comment on Fife council. With a couple of exceptions most of Fife is very anti m/h. there is little or no parking in most towns and as most are measured bays no m/h parking at any time. you can't even park at the PnRs as they too have no oversize bays. I have managed to park in bus bays in winter but how do we visit, say Culross or Dunfermline in summer, even during the day?
 

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I must disagree with your comment on Fife council. With a couple of exceptions most of Fife is very anti m/h. there is little or no parking in most towns and as most are measured bays no m/h parking at any time. you can't even park at the PnRs as they too have no oversize bays. I have managed to park in bus bays in winter but how do we visit, say Culross or Dunfermline in summer, even during the day?
Fife have carried out a Survey and done an extensive report on wild/ freedom camping, and in future plan to provide facilities for us.
Their facility at loch Ore although in its infancy is well worth a look, they plan parking at Ely, Kingsbarns, and other locations.
Possibly put you comments to them, they will listen.

Heres the report Fife published

Freedom-Camping-Options-Paper-on-Motorhome-Use-in-Fife.pdf
 

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Fife have carried out a Survey and done an extensive report on wild/ freedom camping, and in future plan to provide facilities for us.
Their facility at loch Ore although in its infancy is well worth a look, they plan parking at Ely, Kingsbarns, and other locations.
Possibly put you comments to them, they will listen.

Heres the report Fife published

Freedom-Camping-Options-Paper-on-Motorhome-Use-in-Fife.pdf
I must be talking to the wrong people, the responses I have had have been all negative and mainly along the lines of 'stay in campsites and use public transport'. the report you tagged seems to say that a change is coming. thank you
 

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I must be talking to the wrong people, the responses I have had have been all negative and mainly along the lines of 'stay in campsites and use public transport'. the report you tagged seems to say that a change is coming. thank you
I am not saying that all’s perfect for us in Fife, it’s not. Take St. Andrews look at whats going on there, a strict no overnight policy for Motorhomes on a carpark large enough to land a jumbo jet. But when you compare Fife with other regions at least they are trying to look at us differently. I have twice spoken the the author of the report, and I can assure you he reckons that we are an opportunity not a problem to be dealt with. His attitude is he would rather see a few Motorhomes overnight in carparks for security, and in order to help minimise vandalism and anti social behaviour which occurs within them. But hopefully things will improve in future.
 
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