Dumfries & Galloway

[Nabsim]

Not all bad news in D & G

There is now some dedicated parking for motoromes in Glencaple - see attached

Motorhomes in Caerlaverock - Caerlaverock Community Association

I had a chuckle at his bit 'i.e. nae emptyin’ yer cludgie!', thanks for the link, the mh is going to open up areas we have not yet visited I can see

 

[maingate]

This overnight spot is currently being discussed on Motorhomefun, so I think you will have to join a queue and wait your turn for a spot. That's the trouble with t'internet, too many pairs of eyes, not enough places.

 

[mistericeman]

This overnight spot is currently being discussed on Motorhomefun, so I think you will have to join a queue and wait your turn for a spot. That's the trouble with t'internet, too many pairs of eyes, not enough places.

A problem that seems to be getting worse and worse

 

[Channa]

A problem that seems to be getting worse and worse

it is that. lots of fb sites ,and websites some have even stolen the POI's here as more spots become off limits acute pressure is applied to those that still exist.

Larger numbers of people wilding, and with that larger percentage of irresponsible then old story the few spoil it

You know yourself with the Landie clubs, legitimate off roading last few years has become harder same happening to this pastime

Channa

 

[mistericeman]

it is that. lots of fb sites ,and websites some have even stolen the POI's here as more spots become off limits acute pressure is applied to those that still exist.

Larger numbers of people wilding, and with that larger percentage of irresponsible then old story the few spoil it

You know yourself with the Landie clubs, legitimate off roading last few years has become harder same happening to this pastime

Channa

Spot on Andrew.... I've drawn the comparison many times and it seems as time goes on its proving more and more true.
The days of both pass times being the preserve of a small die hard number are long gone....
Routes/orpas/rupps/boats and wild camping spots being plastered all over the net have ensured many have been closed/lost/prohibited Forcing larger numbers into a decreasing pool of resources....

Won't be long now for either pass time way things are going sadly.

 

[2cv]

I find that there are still plenty of suitable spots to be had. The most worrying threat to wilding in a van I think is the misuse of pspo's to effect blanket bans over large areas.

 

[mistericeman]

I find that there are still plenty of suitable spots to be had. The most worrying threat to wilding in a van I think is the misuse of pspo's to effect blanket bans over large areas.

Agreed there are lots of Wilding spots left... At the moment BUT I personally think the, biggest threat is the, sharing of them on social media

 

[Nabsim]

It’s sad if the popularity causes a decline, you would have hoped it would prompt some enterprising folks to offer spots to stop, low cost but rising scale for different facilities.

I take it the powers that be make it hard to set something like that up if you have a bit of land?

 

[Channa]

It’s sad if the popularity causes a decline, you would have hoped it would prompt some enterprising folks to offer spots to stop, low cost but rising scale for different facilities.

I take it the powers that be make it hard to set something like that up if you have a bit of land?

Planning permission and caravan development act for starters, John Thompson once quoted figures re installing drainage/ tanks/ehu non of it comes cheap....We as a pastime tend to hound councils for obvious reasons and a few have been a tad more enterprising,,,,My own thoughts is the manufactuers are a good port of call who will buy their products if you cant use them Brownhills already do this.

In your county for example around Castleton it is possible to wildcamp but not easy standard answer from a council is you want water disposal etc when Losehill Hall is down the road therefore no need another site that way too near Bamford...stock answer.Provision exists. Realistically when Derbyshire CC are cutting every budget under the sun closing libraries which effect council tax payers and involve a wider community appeasing wild campers comes well down the list

Channa

 

[Nabsim]

Yes I wasn’t thinking of council provision more private or commercial. I know last I looked our septic tank was about £35k to replace, that serves 10 cottages but only needs emptying every 2 or 3 years. I know regs have just changed regarding tanks though so could now be more.

There are lots of camp sites around here but I was thinking more stopovers than a camp site with nominal charge but then fill up and/or empty tanks at an extra charge. Because there are a lot of camp sites I don’t think ehu would be needed as folks could book a night on a site if they needed everything.

Would it me the same conditions as a caravan park for someth8ng like that?

 

[Channa]

Yes I wasn’t thinking of council provision more private or commercial. I know last I looked our septic tank was about £35k to replace, that serves 10 cottages but only needs emptying every 2 or 3 years. I know regs have just changed regarding tanks though so could now be more.

There are lots of camp sites around here but I was thinking more stopovers than a camp site with nominal charge but then fill up and/or empty tanks at an extra charge. Because there are a lot of camp sites I don’t think ehu would be needed as folks could book a night on a site if they needed everything.

Would it me the same conditions as a caravan park for someth8ng like that?

Simple terms yes, The caravan development Act applies from memory 28 days no more than 5 vans (might be wrong on that bit) When this site holds official meets the site uses an exemption certificate which gets round numbers but is why meets are only open to members and not non members .It is nothing to do with elitism it is more to do with dotting Is and crossing Ts ....Other meets are private meets where quite frankly we are flying by the seat of our pants. For general stop overs eg cls c/s affiliation to the big clubs is required you are guessing it is complicated

A good example is for years a pub at Bugsworth basin was used for informal meets ignoring licensing rules for a second it seems locals complained so that is a venue lost headoffices like Sam Smiths mentioned recently don't want anything to do with wild camping I suspect totally on economic grounds the administration legal complexity far outweighs any return

As regards sites Parkdean etc whilst offering camping to tourers their maincore business is selling statics then selling more statics that is reflected sometimes in facilities

Local authorities like a rash on them too at present particularly North Wales and Skegness

What should be straightforward and easy sadly isn't hoops to jump through before you start and that ignores traffic impact , waste collection or lack of

Channa

 

[antiquesam]

We surely don't need facilities, just the right to park within shouting distance of a town for a fixed number of nights. I for one am finding myself looking more and more at C&CC temporary sites and cheap CLs with just occasional wildng nights.

 

[Channa]

We surely don't need facilities, just the right to park within shouting distance of a town for a fixed number of nights. I for one am finding myself looking more and more at C&CC temporary sites and cheap CLs with just occasional wildng nights.

Which is exactly the provisons made local authorities are talking about when they don't see need to invest in aire type arrangements

Channa

 

[Thebroons]

Not all bad news in D & G

There is now some dedicated parking for motoromes in Glencaple - see attached

Motorhomes in Caerlaverock - Caerlaverock Community Association

For info anyone wanting to empty their grey waste at Caerlaverock corner will need a bucket / container as the drain is on a raised level and too far from the parking area for an extended pipe.