Delica - the next challenge - help please me re weight issues

it does seem that way. but i rather not guess .
got to get the right figures really .
once the real figures are known then at least you can stand in court and say i,m not over weight because.
or just hope your never stopped.
the rules are there if we can use them we should . if we break them then we get punished .
one of the reasons i changed from my old vw t2 years ago i realized i just couldnt get my gvw down good enough .
it was ok for weekends etc but for the africa trips with loads of spares it coped but was always over weight .
i did have it jacked up front and rear on the suspension but at times it looked low. i decided my licence was worth too much.
 
delicagirl said:
If I change all 4 tyres for regular camper-van tyres (which are a stronger type of tyre than 4WD tyres) - I could inflate these tyres up to a maximum of 65psi which would give me a potential user payload of 1800kgs. (So 2330kgs empty weight + 1800kg "stuff" = 4130 kilos in total)
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To add to Alans point, The statement I have quoted makes little sense

1)running at 4130 kgs would require a different class of Mot to what you have got ? Alan is that correct ? over 3500 kgs

Forget tyres for the time being, you need to establish axle weights , did the man weigh front and seperate as we suggested ?

I dont think for a second, (and prepared to bet and i never bet unless I am sure) Your suspension, braking system the van leaving the factory was built and designed to run at over 4100 Kgs .

At the end of the day Collete it is a complicated area of law to get your head around and asking what MAM means in an earlier post displays a bit of naiveity. That per se is not a crime , but someone like SV tech (never used them ) having asked 101 questions could give you guidance and lead you through the maze.

It seems that complicated they can make a living out of it

Sorry for sounding a bit brutal ,

Channa
 
Byronic said:
And everything so far points to 2.5Tonnes GVW. A 170kg payload with I think, with some equipment already removed. The original weight reading was probably pretty accurate @ 2490kg. Leaving 10kg payload.
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I took a big load of stuff out of the van after the 2490 kilo weighbridge visit - so a reduction of 160 kgs, down to 2330 kilos in today's weigh, seems quite sensible to me.

I have just contacted the garage in Yorkshire who worked on the other delica van whose ebay picture appears on this thread, courtesy of Mark - they seem to think it was a 3.5 - but they could not find a plate on that one either.

Aaarggh !!!
 
Chris356 said:
If your front tyres are from Japan they will have jis on the wall but the most important thing is when they were manufactured - in the uk and Europe they have the month and year on the tyre wall. With it being imported when it was over 10 year old it didn't need a types approval (sva) and also with it being a motor caravan even if it was under 10 year old it is exempt from the sva
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I did mention the manufacture date of your Japanese tyres but won't mention the jis
 
channa said:
To add to Alans point, The statement I have quoted makes little sense

1)running at 4130 kgs would require a different class of Mot to what you have got ? Alan is that correct ? over 3500 kgs

Forget tyres for the time being, you need to establish axle weights , did the man weigh front and seperate as we suggested ?

I dont think for a second, (and prepared to bet and i never bet unless I am sure) Your suspension, braking system the van leaving the factory was built and designed to run at over 4100 Kgs .

At the end of the day Collete it is a complicated area of law to get your head around and asking what MAM means in an earlier post displays a bit of naiveity. That per se is not a crime , but someone like SV tech (never used them ) having asked 101 questions could give you guidance and lead you through the maze.

It seems that complicated they can make a living out of it

Sorry for sounding a bit brutal ,

Channa
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I asked, but his garage did not have that facility. I can always take it to a different public weighbridge and do a 2x2 axle weigh tomorrow if it will help the WCV Delica Detectives .....

Channa you are not brutal at all.. I knew nothing about any of this last week, and it is indeed a steep learning curve, there's no need to apologise.

I also wonder about going to SVtech - but that's 200 miles from me.. and I DEFFO would not drive there on the current ancient tyres
 
an email or a telephone call to mitsubishi in japan might be the only way. quoting the chassis number .
i imagine they are possibly the only ones that will know what it started life as.
there as to be a way of finding it out.
 
vwalan said:
an email or a telephone call to mitsubishi in japan might be the only way. quoting the chassis number .
i imagine they are possibly the only ones that will know what it started life as.
there as to be a way of finding it out.
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What's the time difference !!!!!! I'm on it.....:)
 
channa said:
To add to Alans point, The statement I have quoted makes little sense

1)running at 4130 kgs would require a different class of Mot to what you have got ? Alan is that correct ? over 3500 kgs

Forget tyres for the time being, you need to establish axle weights , did the man weigh front and seperate as we suggested ?

I dont think for a second, (and prepared to bet and i never bet unless I am sure) Your suspension, braking system the van leaving the factory was built and designed to run at over 4100 Kgs .

At the end of the day Collete it is a complicated area of law to get your head around and asking what MAM means in an earlier post displays a bit of naiveity. That per se is not a crime , but someone like SV tech (never used them ) having asked 101 questions could give you guidance and lead you through the maze.

It seems that complicated they can make a living out of it

Sorry for sounding a bit brutal ,

Channa
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channa ,as a motor caravan class 4 regardless of weight . if its on the log book etc as a motor caravan .
but licencing ,taxing , all come into a different game .
in truth very few vans at 3,500kg have ever only had 4 wheels . there is and as been but not many . its usually double rear on the rear .
but lets not confuse at moment .
 
vwalan said:
channa ,as a motor caravan class 4 regardless of weight . if its on the log book etc as a motor caravan .
but licencing ,taxing , all come into a different game .
in truth very few vans at 3,500kg have ever only had 4 wheels . there is and as been but not many . its usually double rear on the rear .
but lets not confuse at moment .
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True. An exceptional exception is the MB Sprinters, they now have a rear single wheels 4.6 tonne option. Super Tyres, things move on.
 
vwalan said:
channa ,as a motor caravan class 4 regardless of weight . if its on the log book etc as a motor caravan .
but licencing ,taxing , all come into a different game .
in truth very few vans at 3,500kg have ever only had 4 wheels . there is and as been but not many . its usually double rear on the rear .
but lets not confuse at moment .
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its described on the log book as an MPV and as an 8 seater.


I had a brain wave and have found a small steel plate screwed down in the van close to the engine... it says

MODEL S- LO39G YHND
CHASSIS LO39G - 0040. 600 (this is identical to the VIN number in my log book)
ENGINE 4D56 EXT W47B
TRANS AXLE V5M21 4875
COLOR INT OPT 274

02T 000


there is also a sticky label next to the engine which has Japanese writing and 17 8 1 and 111640 Kms on it.

Does this help hinder or get us nowhere........
 
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vwalan said:
channa ,as a motor caravan class 4 regardless of weight . if its on the log book etc as a motor caravan .
but licencing ,taxing , all come into a different game .
in truth very few vans at 3,500kg have ever only had 4 wheels . there is and as been but not many . its usually double rear on the rear .
but lets not confuse at moment .
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Just as an aside, Mercedes did away with twin rear wheels on panel vans in about 77, other rear wheel drive manufacturers followed later, while the rest of the competition being front wheel drive have only ever had 4 wheels :p
 
Delicagirl said her vehicle is an 8 seater MPV on the logbook so as it isn't registered as a motorcaravan/motorhome if it was 3500kg GVW it would require a class 7 mot, does it have a class 7 mot or a class 4 ?
 
vwalan said:
in truth very few vans at 3,500kg have ever only had 4 wheels . there is and as been but not many . its usually double rear on the rear .
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My Auto Trail Dakota, 4250Kg tops, only has four wheels ... And there are I think plenty of non-tag axle 'vans around over 3500Kg.
 
i would give a ring on the colt car referance on the link in that global bit . gotta be an answer somewhere.
 
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