Delica - the next challenge - help please me re weight issues

[delicagirl]

Hi one and all. I got the van back, a new slave cylinder having been fitted - luvely jubbly - she's running like a dream again. So since the van was fairly empty, no water, clothes, books, food, no "stuff" - and only half a tank of diesel I thought I would get it weighed as I haven't done this before.

There are no weights AT ALL on my logbook and it's body type is described as a "MPV", and taxation class as a "Private/light goods(PLG)"
Cylinder capacity is 2500 cc, fuel is heavy oil, number of seats incl driver = 8 (!!!!), and a 2 axle rigid body but no revenue weight.

The van weighed in at 2490 gross weight. The really helpful guy there looked my van up on the internet and then physically searched the usual places in the van for a weight plate and could not find one. (I have looked before and also failed to find one.)

He informed me that I have only 10 kgs spare for fuel, food, water etc etc. and suggested I contact DVLA and have a conversation. He did tell me that he had once weighed a horse carrying vehicle which only had enough spare capacity to carry a cat but not a horse !!!! That owner had to have the vehicle upweighted.

So if I do have to ring DVLA (or can I do this by internet/post?) what should I ask them and how do I go about getting this number of 2500kgs up to 3500kgs.?

I have never felt unsafe or unstable when driving this van except in exceptionally high winds on Shap one winter's day - but then all high sided vehicles are subjected to this. But if I were to be stopped, how would the police know my "legal weight" if it is not on my log book nor, presumably, on DVLA database ?

Another aspect to this weight issue is my water tank - you folks kindly gave me a lot to think about re my water capacity on an earlier thread, and it has been on my mind since then. So I measured the main tank - it's 27" across, 19.5" deep, and 10" high - can anyone work out its capacity and weight in kilos for me please ? Thank you very much.
Many thanks people

 

[Nesting Zombie]

Hi ya,
Try 'S V Tech'
Very helpful guys, I've just done the up rate from 4000kg to 4500kg, Very quick, Very easy.

 

[Canalsman]

The tank is about 90 litres, or 90kg weight when full.

The operating weights for the vehicle would normally be contained within the handbook. As far as I'm aware only commercial vehicles carry a plate.

 

[delicagirl]

The tank is about 90 litres, or 90kg weight when full.

The operating weights for the vehicle would normally be contained within the handbook. As far as I'm aware only commercial vehicles carry a plate.

Thank you - that's a lot less water than I was told I carried, so that's another thing I now know. I have never been able to find a handbook on-line. The van was made in Japan 1993 and is based on a Mitsubishi 2.5 diesel flat bed truck and was imported to UK for the first time in 2014.

 

[Nesting Zombie]

Pop the Bonnet, You should have one of these
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From that the Conversation people should then fit one of these
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And then when you 'Up Rate' you should get yet another one to stick on

 

[colinm]

All vehicles have a plate afaik.
Sounds to me " you've been tango'ed", it may well be why the tyre burst.
Svtech are probably the most knowledgeable company that can advise on up lifting max weight.

 

[wildebus]

Hi one and all. I got the van back, a new slave cylinder having been fitted - luvely jubbly - she's running like a dream again. So since the van was fairly empty, no water, clothes, books, food, no "stuff" - and only half a tank of diesel I thought I would get it weighed as I haven't done this before.

There are no weights AT ALL on my logbook and it's body type is described as a "MPV", and taxation class as a "Private/light goods(PLG)"
Cylinder capacity is 2500 cc, fuel is heavy oil, number of seats incl driver = 8 (!!!!), and a 2 axle rigid body but no revenue weight.

The van weighed in at 2490 gross weight. The really helpful guy there looked my van up on the internet and then physically searched the usual places in the van for a weight plate and could not find one. (I have looked before and also failed to find one.)

He informed me that I have only 10 kgs spare for fuel, food, water etc etc. and suggested I contact DVLA and have a conversation. He did tell me that he had once weighed a horse carrying vehicle which only had enough spare capacity to carry a cat but not a horse !!!! That owner had to have the vehicle upweighted.

So if I do have to ring DVLA (or can I do this by internet/post?) what should I ask them and how do I go about getting this number of 2500kgs up to 3500kgs.?

I have never felt unsafe or unstable when driving this van except in exceptionally high winds on Shap one winter's day - but then all high sided vehicles are subjected to this. But if I were to be stopped, how would the police know my "legal weight" if it is not on my log book nor, presumably, on DVLA database ?

Another aspect to this weight issue is my water tank - you folks kindly gave me a lot to think about re my water capacity on an earlier thread, and it has been on my mind since then. So I measured the main tank - it's 27" across, 19.5" deep, and 10" high - can anyone work out its capacity and weight in kilos for me please ? Thank you very much.
Many thanks people

What I am not understanding is if there is no plate on the van, and there is no revenue weight on the V5C, where does the "2500kg" number originate from?
It sounds like he has made an assumption that it is 2500 and said you have 10kg spare, but on what basis?

You can go to specialist companies and get a vehicle replated, but I don't know what tests are needed that they do.
The DVLA will want a certificate from that company to record it, but if it is an MPV, I don't think a GVW is recorded on the V5C.
I don't have one on my V5C, but interestingly I do have a plate on the vehicle itself giving the GVW and train weight. I think that is a consequence of my "MPV" being a commercial base (VW T5)

ps. The water tank... Think the calcualtion is w x d x l in mm equals capacity in ml, so convert inches to mm, do the sums, then divide by 1,000 and that is the capacity in Litres, and one litre of water = 1kg

HTH.

 

[sak]

I just googled Mitsubishi Delica gross weight hoping for you the guy was wrong but unfortunately it says 2505kgs as the gross weight, 2050kgs as the kerb/unladen weight so as the vehicle would be weighed with a driver you are always overloaded, sorry for the bad news.

 

[delicagirl]

All vehicles have a plate afaik.
Sounds to me " you've been tango'ed", it may well be why the tyre burst.
Svtech are probably the most knowledgeable company that can advise on up lifting max weight.

Hi Coli - do you mean the tyre could have burst because I may have been over-weight (albeit without realising it) ?

 

[harrow]

Hi one and all. I got the van back, a new slave cylinder having been fitted - luvely jubbly - she's running like a dream again. So since the van was fairly empty, no water, clothes, books, food, no "stuff" - and only half a tank of diesel I thought I would get it weighed as I haven't done this before.

There are no weights AT ALL on my logbook and it's body type is described as a "MPV", and taxation class as a "Private/light goods(PLG)"
Cylinder capacity is 2500 cc, fuel is heavy oil, number of seats incl driver = 8 (!!!!), and a 2 axle rigid body but no revenue weight.

The van weighed in at 2490 gross weight. The really helpful guy there looked my van up on the internet and then physically searched the usual places in the van for a weight plate and could not find one. (I have looked before and also failed to find one.)

He informed me that I have only 10 kgs spare for fuel, food, water etc etc. and suggested I contact DVLA and have a conversation. He did tell me that he had once weighed a horse carrying vehicle which only had enough spare capacity to carry a cat but not a horse !!!! That owner had to have the vehicle upweighted.

So if I do have to ring DVLA (or can I do this by internet/post?) what should I ask them and how do I go about getting this number of 2500kgs up to 3500kgs.?

I have never felt unsafe or unstable when driving this van except in exceptionally high winds on Shap one winter's day - but then all high sided vehicles are subjected to this. But if I were to be stopped, how would the police know my "legal weight" if it is not on my log book nor, presumably, on DVLA database ?

Another aspect to this weight issue is my water tank - you folks kindly gave me a lot to think about re my water capacity on an earlier thread, and it has been on my mind since then. So I measured the main tank - it's 27" across, 19.5" deep, and 10" high - can anyone work out its capacity and weight in kilos for me please ? Thank you very much.
Many thanks people

On the mot database Details of the vehicle being checked - GOV.UK does it have a Revenue weight ? You need to put in your registration and vehicle maker.

 

[delicagirl]

I just googled Mitsubishi Delica gross weight hoping for you the guy was wrong but unfortunately it says 2505kgs as the gross weight, 2050kgs as the kerb/unladen weight so as the vehicle would be weighed with a driver you are always overloaded, sorry for the bad news.

Thank you Sak - my delica is not the usual delica - If you google photos of it - you wont find it, because only a few hundred of these were made. There is a photo in my profile here on WC. I believe it is an L300 on a J500 base. This wee van has been a challenge since I owned it !!!

But I am already chasing up leads from here.... but all further suggestions are really welcome

 

[harrow]

it's body type is described as a "MPV", and taxation class as a "Private/light goods(PLG)"
Cylinder capacity is 2500 cc, fuel is heavy oil, number of seats incl driver = 8 (!!!!), and a 2 axle rigid body but no revenue weight.
The van weighed in at 2490 gross weight.

Number of seats = 8, I guess there is some past history about that.

The only real way to calculate the carrying capacity will be according to what chassis, suspension, tyres etc that it currently has fitted.

I know that will be very difficult to answer, sorry.

 

[delicagirl]

On the mot database Details of the vehicle being checked - GOV.UK does it have a Revenue weight ? You need to put in your registration and vehicle maker.

No - the revenue weight is not available - presumably this is why it is not on my log book V5

 

[Nesting Zombie]

Just a thought reference Tyre bursting.
Tyres on our type of vehicles, that are 'Fully Laden' ALL of the time only realisticly have a working life of say 4 / 5 years irrespective of miles traveld. Yes ofcourse there will be exceptions, but it's a rule of thumb type thing.
Just replaced ALL 7 of my tyres after having two blow outs in 3 months !

 

[izwozral]

Give these guys a ring, Google, they do the weight up-rating. It can be done by post but if you were ever travelling up to the dark satanic hills, I would pop into Leyland where they are based.

 

[mark61]

I just googled Mitsubishi Delica gross weight hoping for you the guy was wrong but unfortunately it says 2505kgs as the gross weight, 2050kgs as the kerb/unladen weight so as the vehicle would be weighed with a driver you are always overloaded, sorry for the bad news.

Unfortunately not as easy as that. The model "Delicia" covers such a huge range of vehicles over a long time span.

Can we have a picture please, or link to a picture. I know I saw a pic of it recently.

I'm sure it's based on a L300, could also be called an Express in NZ & Australia.

Looking in the various places where a chassis plate would normally be found, does it look like one has been removed?

 

[colinm]

Hi Coli - do you mean the tyre could have burst because I have clearly been over-weight (albeit without realising it) ?

If you where overloaded and the tyres where not inflated enough and/or never had the capacity, it's quite possible for them to burst.
What you need to ask yourself, where they new or old, if old what condition where they in, what size and load index did they have and what pressure was in then.

 

[delicagirl]

What I am not understanding is if there is no plate on the van, and there is no revenue weight on the V5C, where does the "2500kg" number originate from?
It sounds like he has made an assumption that it is 2500 and said you have 10kg spare, but on what basis?

You can go to specialist companies and get a vehicle replated, but I don't know what tests are needed that they do.
The DVLA will want a certificate from that company to record it, but if it is an MPV, I don't think a GVW is recorded on the V5C.
I don't have one on my V5C, but interestingly I do have a plate on the vehicle itself giving the GVW and train weight. I think that is a consequence of my "MPV" being a commercial base (VW T5)

ps. The water tank... Think the calcualtion is w x d x l in mm equals capacity in ml, so convert inches to mm, do the sums, then divide by 1,000 and that is the capacity in Litres, and one litre of water = 1kg

HTH.

When he said "it should be 2500 kgs max - I asked if the max weight on a vehicle was the same as the cc of the engine and he said 'yes'.... - now that I think about that... it makes no sense. Maybe I should take it to another public weighbridge and see what their observations are.
But in the meantime I am contacting SV Tech and asking them for advice. I am up in lancashire in a few weeks so could call in to see them as my van is a real oddball - bit like me really !!

 

[Nesting Zombie]

I don't know what the fudge is going on ere, but I've posted about 7 or 8 posts today and similar yesterday not blinking one has appeared, so sorry,,,,but I give up.

Hope you get it sorted anyway.

 

[izwozral]

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