Delica - the next challenge - help please me re weight issues

Byronic said:
I think the Delica model range was a model brought in as direct competition with the VW T25. Even looks a little like it.
The Mitzy 4X4 version was pitched against the T25 4x4 Synchro version.

The VW T25 range was the so called 1 tonne payload van, nominally 1 tonne because there was a bit of variation due to whether diesel or petrol versions etc. The van left the factory at around 1.5 tonnes so it was a 2.5 tonnes MAM designated van.

Karmann used to make a coachbuilt Ghia T25 version, but I'm almost certain they never upped the load capacity. It had a dismal load capacity I am sure of that.

Alan may be able to confirm the above?
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yes one ton with the van from empty . when converted not alot of payload . my brown one ran over weight all the time .
the coach builds were hopeless for pay loads .
 
The L300 is a 2.5t van, looking at those photos (I know sometimes they can deceive) the rear axle appears to be heavily laden, if not overloaded.
On such a van you would expect to run 107 load index tyres, I'll take a wild guess at the load on back axle and say they should have been at 60psi.
 
FWIW it looks to me like someone has taken a professional built body of some other donor van and grafted it on to the L300.They probably thought the combination would come in at about the max. plated weight allowed of 2.5 tonnes and conveniently chose to ignore any allowance for payload. Perhaps threw the plate away and hoped for no awkward questions at selling time, but this is all conjecture and perhaps doing as Post #59 turns up a better result.
 
Well my girl if nout in log book and cant find plate etc and no one knows then i would leave well alone as even the cops and doe w/bridge will never cotton on ,just use good h/duty tyres and drive till your we hart thumps like mad and have fun.:camper:
 
colinmd said:
The L300 is a 2.5t van, looking at those photos (I know sometimes they can deceive) the rear axle appears to be heavily laden, if not overloaded.
On such a van you would expect to run 107 load index tyres, I'll take a wild guess at the load on back axle and say they should have been at 60psi.
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Why would you need 107 tyres on a 2.5t van? Or are you saying this because of a probably overloaded axle?
Curious as the required tyres for my 3.0t vehicle is much lower then 107 at 103 for example. Something like a 98 would be easily adequate for 2.5t assuming the front-rear balance not massively unbalanced
 
Delicious, it's a Mitsubishi l300 jb 500 there is a lot of photos on Internet I will do more research for you tomorrow is there not a weight plate near the passenger door shut? Andy
 
wildebus said:
Why would you need 107 tyres on a 2.5t van? Or are you saying this because of a probably overloaded axle?
Curious as the required tyres for my 3.0t vehicle is much lower then 107 at 103 for example. Something like a 98 would be easily adequate for 2.5t assuming the front-rear balance not massively unbalanced
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You don't 'need' 107 tyres on a 2.5t van, but they are commonly specified by manufacturers, they easily accommodate up to 1.5t on an axle, 98 would need close to perfect balance which would be difficult to achieve on this vehicle.
 
it certainly looks as if it is based on the L300 all be it with a few panel mods such as the doors, bumper and grill maybe ,I would guess it started life as a people carrier hence the 8 seat MPV designation, Yours won't be the first to have no weight plates quite a few American imports don't have them either.
 
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This doesn't help with the payload question but is further evidence [maybe] that is really is a pimped up version of the L300?



Mitsubishi L300 History:

The L300, manufactured by Mitsubishi Motors, is a Van (small truck) and has been in production since the late 1980's.

Production of the Mitsubishi Van began in the early 1970's, then called the Delica, but Mitsubishi eventually changed the van to the L300, while the Delica name went to the people mover vehicle, which had its own design.

Since 1986, the L300 has gone though just one generation, keeping the same design, with updates on part of the interior and frontal exterior only, as well as a few new features.

The van is available in Diesel and Petrol, but diesel has been far more popular. The same engines have remained since 1986, but with a few new variations with the petrol engines.

Diesel engines are available in 2.0ltr and the bigger sized engine, 2.5ltr (codenamed the 4D56), which was also available in the turbo engine (codenamed the 4D56T). The standard 4D56 produces 58kW @ 4000rpm, with the Turbo Diesel producing 68kW.
 
izwozral said:
This doesn't help with the payload question but is further evidence [maybe] that is really is a pimped up version of the L300?



Mitsubishi L300 History:

The L300, manufactured by Mitsubishi Motors, is a Van (small truck) and has been in production since the late 1980's.

Production of the Mitsubishi Van began in the early 1970's, then called the Delica, but Mitsubishi eventually changed the van to the L300, while the Delica name went to the people mover vehicle, which had its own design.

Since 1986, the L300 has gone though just one generation, keeping the same design, with updates on part of the interior and frontal exterior only, as well as a few new features.

The van is available in Diesel and Petrol, but diesel has been far more popular. The same engines have remained since 1986, but with a few new variations with the petrol engines.

Diesel engines are available in 2.0ltr and the bigger sized engine, 2.5ltr (codenamed the 4D56), which was also available in the turbo engine (codenamed the 4D56T). The standard 4D56 produces 58kW @ 4000rpm, with the Turbo Diesel producing 68kW.
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Thank you Izzy - could this be why my next door neighbours refer to me as "the tart next door" do you think ? :lol-061:

Thanks for all that info though.. every little helps as they say.

Having investigated the "grill" at the front of the van between the two headlights - its not an airflow device of any sort, its just a bit of "pretty design" on the front of the panel which holds the headlights in place.
 
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mark61 said:
Getting there. The J500 you refer to, is actually JB500 and refers to the model of MH. So, a JB500 motorhome on a L300 4x4 cab & chassis.

Have you come across this thread?

Mitsubishi Delica Owners Club UK™ :: View topic - L300 with JB500 body
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Thanks Mark and David i compared the list of coding meanings on the Delica owners clip which you kindly posted, and the van vin number on my log book - the codings make my van a 2WD standard body, petrol - and the rest of my VIN number contains digits not on the list anyway...

so another investigation which has not yielded extra info.

The VIN number in the van could well be under the drivers seat but i have not been able to find it - i have no carpet in the cab but i do have rubber matting/insulation and i dont want to rip all that out in case the cab then becomes too noisy. Later on i'll have a go at lifting the drivers seat to see if there is any info under it. i have lifted passenger seat several times for oil-top up, but have not yet lifted the drivers seat.

i seem to be drifting farther and farther away from the original conundrum of how much stuff i can carry in my van !!! its all interesting stuff though


HOWEVER - i have just found a plate above the drivers wheel arch which is all in Japanese but which has the figures 2.4 and 3.5 on it...... so this looks hopeful - all i need now is a japanese reader to interpret for me... and i could have my answer......
 
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delicagirl said:
Thanks Mark and David i compared the list of coding meanings on the Delica owners clip which you kindly posted, and the van vin number on my log book - the codings make my van a 2WD standard body, petrol - and the rest of my VIN number contains digits not on the list anyway...

so another investigation which has not yielded extra info.

The VIN number in the van could well be under the drivers seat but i have not been able to find it - i have no carpet in the cab but i do have rubber matting/insulation and i dont want to rip all that out in case the cab then becomes too noisy. Later on i'll have a go at lifting the drivers seat to see if there is any info under it. i have lifted passenger seat several times for oil-top up, but have not yet lifted the drivers seat.

i seem to be drifting farther and farther away from the original conundrum of how much stuff i can carry in my van !!! its all interesting stuff though


HOWEVER - i have just found a plate above the drivers wheel arch which is all in Japanese but which has the figures 2.4 and 3.5 on it...... so this looks hopeful - all i need now is a japanese reader to interpret for me... and i could have my answer......
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Assuming you have a smartphone, there are apps that use the camera and do real-time translation! Amazing stuff, but point your phone camera at the plate and you will see hopefully an English translation on the screen :)
Not tried it on japanese, but have on chinese.

Search for something like "camera translation app"
 
wildebus said:
Assuming you have a smartphone, there are apps that use the camera and do real-time translation! Amazing stuff, but point your phone camera at the plate and you will see hopefully an English translation on the screen :)
Not tried it on japanese, but have on chinese.

Search for something like "camera translation app"
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the camera bit in my phone is not working - i guess i could try with my digital camera
 
delicagirl said:
the camera bit in my phone is not working - i guess i could try with my digital camera
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if you take a picture and post it here, maybe someone could point their phone camera at the picture with the app running?
Always a solution somewhere somehow ;)
 
seems to be a lot of going round in circles chasing red herrings.


whatever is on the log book re no of seats is irrelevant, some clerk thought it was a mini bus. or thought 8 seats would cover all eventuallities.

what the details are on the bodywork is irrelevant , its chassis and axle strength and brakes that matter.


a paper replating exercise on a non existant plate aint going to actually acheive anything relevant to safety or reliability.

if theres no weight plate and nothing on dvlc database leave well alone.

the only area that you should be worrying about is tyres. somewhere on the tyre sidewall in small print should be wax load xxx kg at xxx psi or a load index code that should lead to the same info. . weighbridge should have given you your axle weights, as long as your tyre and pressure combination is adequate for the rear axle load you should be safe and in a position to argue legal in the absense of any weight data that says otherwise.

if the tyres are obviously adequate for the weight youd be very unlucky for any roadside check to want the agro of trying to take it further when the computer wont give an instant weight.
 
2014 was when it was registered. It was imported second hand by a dealer who had bought it at auction in Japan and had it shipped over here. i have met several folks with "grey imports" and they all have the same difficulties with data.
 
ricc said:
seems to be a lot of going round in circles chasing red herrings.


whatever is on the log book re no of seats is irrelevant, some clerk thought it was a mini bus. or thought 8 seats would cover all eventuallities.

what the details are on the bodywork is irrelevant , its chassis and axle strength and brakes that matter.


a paper replating exercise on a non existant plate aint going to actually acheive anything relevant to safety or reliability.

if theres no weight plate and nothing on dvlc database leave well alone.

the only area that you should be worrying about is tyres. somewhere on the tyre sidewall in small print should be wax load xxx kg at xxx psi or a load index code that should lead to the same info. . weighbridge should have given you your axle weights, as long as your tyre and pressure combination is adequate for the rear axle load you should be safe and in a position to argue legal in the absense of any weight data that says otherwise.

if the tyres are obviously adequate for the weight youd be very unlucky for any roadside check to want the agro of trying to take it further when the computer wont give an instant weight.
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Thank you Ricc that makes so much sense to me - indeed i was feeling as if was chasing my tale and getting nowhere.


I have had a good look at the front tyres (which i know are not the main issue) - they have a lot of tread left on them. They are Blizzard japanese tubeless steel belted radial tyres DM-Z3 225/70R/5 100Q - maximum load 800kgs 300 Kpa at a max pressure of 44psi . I will need to move the van tomorrow to access the back tyres which are not as easy to read.

I know its the back tyres that are the important ones as my water/diesel/waster tanks are all at the back of the van. I had 44psi in all tyres when i MOTd it. Ricc thanks for having given me a much better understanding of the crux of this matter - ie weight/tyre strength - I'll go to my local tyre specialist and have a chat with them - they supplied my spare tyre last spring and know the van, and at least i now know its weight to input into our discussions.

Just so i understand you correctly if i get two new back tyres which are designed to carry 3.5 tons and can be inflated to 60psi i should be ok ?
 
A couple of weeks ago Collette you asked what a "grey import " was, now you know!.

The issues you face , perhaps explains one or two groups I worked for in the motor trade wouldn't take a grey import in part exchange.

Personally I think the "greys " offer good value for money in some instances,but perhaps worthy of consideration to anyone thinking of buying "grey"

Channa
 
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