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maingate
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True story.
I started working at a local company many years ago and I had to deal with a certain employee. They told me his name was Jimmy Dafter. Knowing all about the banter and nicknames used at work I did not believe it.
I saw his clocking in card one day (months later) and his name was Jimmy Daftah. :rolleyes2:
I started working at a local company many years ago and I had to deal with a certain employee. They told me his name was Jimmy Dafter. Knowing all about the banter and nicknames used at work I did not believe it.
I saw his clocking in card one day (months later) and his name was Jimmy Daftah. :rolleyes2:
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Does the Man who mows a section of council owned grass verge to the front of his boundry hedge really think that by doing this he will eventually become the owner of said patch of grass verge???
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Up here you can do
Well, not own it, but you can get permission to fence it off and make a garden/private place of your own.
Lots of peeps have done that round here.
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There's lots of good folks still with a social conscience up here who cut the public grass near their properties, Win - but we've plenty of fat, lazy s*ds and weebles too!!! :lol-049::rolleyes2::lol-061:
Covey
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Tbear.............
Well do I remember the delights (or otherwise!!) of the military No1 burner. For those who have never tried cooking with the No1 it is basically a petrol fuelled blow torch on its side with a sheet of flame rather like a jet fighter on re-heat!!
I was talking to a friend the other day and we were speculating if Elf & Safety had ever looked at the risks of burning petrol under pressure, or even worse, the risks of trying to refuel the bloody thing with petrol when the No1 was red hot!!
For winter warfare use in the Artic we used to use Naptha which was not too bad at -15c but was a major hazard at normal temperatures because of its high gas point.
For those worried about crash safety of LPG bottles etc, Truma make a twin bottle auto changeover unit and regulator in two versions. One version is rated for gas operation whilst in motion and the other is not and the gas bottles should be switched off. Truma also produce pigtails with auto-shutoff valves if the accident results in the bottles being detached from the regulator.
I have just replaced the original Hymer installed Truma bottle regulators as they were 5 years past the 10 year recommended change date!! Hymer also used HP rubber hoses for connection to the gas shutoff valve, but I took the opportunity to replace the rubber hoses with stainless steel braided hose. Truma recommends that rubber hoses are replaced after 5 years
Well do I remember the delights (or otherwise!!) of the military No1 burner. For those who have never tried cooking with the No1 it is basically a petrol fuelled blow torch on its side with a sheet of flame rather like a jet fighter on re-heat!!
I was talking to a friend the other day and we were speculating if Elf & Safety had ever looked at the risks of burning petrol under pressure, or even worse, the risks of trying to refuel the bloody thing with petrol when the No1 was red hot!!
For winter warfare use in the Artic we used to use Naptha which was not too bad at -15c but was a major hazard at normal temperatures because of its high gas point.
For those worried about crash safety of LPG bottles etc, Truma make a twin bottle auto changeover unit and regulator in two versions. One version is rated for gas operation whilst in motion and the other is not and the gas bottles should be switched off. Truma also produce pigtails with auto-shutoff valves if the accident results in the bottles being detached from the regulator.
I have just replaced the original Hymer installed Truma bottle regulators as they were 5 years past the 10 year recommended change date!! Hymer also used HP rubber hoses for connection to the gas shutoff valve, but I took the opportunity to replace the rubber hoses with stainless steel braided hose. Truma recommends that rubber hoses are replaced after 5 years
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I have a Gaslow central fill system with a couple of 11kg bottles, but was a bit concerned that some time ago the Forums were reporting frequent regulator failures, the main culprit seeming to be getting liquid LPG into the regulator. On the Truma Duo-Control system I fitted you have an automatic bottle changeover system and a built in regulator. BUT, this means you have a single regulator which if it fails, means £120 for a new unit.
The added complication in my case is that my Hymer is 50mBar gas!!
I have solved the redundant regulator issue by the simple expedient of taking a standard LPG 50mBar regulator which was supplied with my wok burner ring and buying from Gaslow for £20 an adapter which screws on to the Gaslow bottle one side and allows a standard LPG regulator to be screwed in the other end. A length of rubber hose on the LP side of the regulator and a couple of jubilee clips and I have a stand by rig which will screw on to the Gaslow bottle and feed 50mBar gas through the rubber LP pipe into the copper supply pipe. Job done!! Not elegant but better than waiting a couple of weeks for Truma to deliver a new 50mBar changeover unit and regulator without a gas supply to The Beast..
The added complication in my case is that my Hymer is 50mBar gas!!
I have solved the redundant regulator issue by the simple expedient of taking a standard LPG 50mBar regulator which was supplied with my wok burner ring and buying from Gaslow for £20 an adapter which screws on to the Gaslow bottle one side and allows a standard LPG regulator to be screwed in the other end. A length of rubber hose on the LP side of the regulator and a couple of jubilee clips and I have a stand by rig which will screw on to the Gaslow bottle and feed 50mBar gas through the rubber LP pipe into the copper supply pipe. Job done!! Not elegant but better than waiting a couple of weeks for Truma to deliver a new 50mBar changeover unit and regulator without a gas supply to The Beast..
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I forgot to switch the fridge off or I believe I was over cautious switched it off didn't remember doing so so switched it back on filled up gaslow bottle with lpg via external filler and bang immediate fire lost the mh in a few minutes.totaly burnt out still connected to the lpg pump luckly the dog was in the front grabed him and ran away
Needless to say now I check a third time the police were concerned i'd left the scene completely was I supposed to stand by my mh & wait for them lol
It turned out the fire brigade said I must have had a small leak in the pipe to the bottle & the extra pressure of filling up made it worse
I forgot to switch the fridge off or I believe I was over cautious switched it off didn't remember doing so so switched it back on filled up gaslow bottle with lpg via external filler and bang immediate fire lost the mh in a few minutes.totaly burnt out still connected to the lpg pump luckly the dog was in the front grabed him and ran away
Needless to say now I check a third time the police were concerned i'd left the scene completely was I supposed to stand by my mh & wait for them lol
It turned out the fire brigade said I must have had a small leak in the pipe to the bottle & the extra pressure of filling up made it worse
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chrisinbrighton...................
Having a MH catch fire whilst attached to an LPG pump must have necessitated a change of underwear for anyone using the petrol station at the time, especially as now many of the LPG pumps are situated alongside the petrol pumps rather than isolated near the derv pumps for HGV vehicles as they often were.
My Gaslow system uses braided stainless steel pipes between the filler point and the two bottles, but the bottles have non-return valves on the LPG inlets to avoid spills in the event of an accident. My Hymer has the gas compartment on the opposite side of the vehicle from the fridge. but even though I have a regulator which is designed and rated to be used in moving vehicles, I still turn off the gas before leaving site and run the fridge on 12v from the vehicle side.
The previous owner suggested turning off the gas before hitting the road, and he knew more about running a MH than I ever will!! so that is what I do!!!
chrisinbrighton...................
Having a MH catch fire whilst attached to an LPG pump must have necessitated a change of underwear for anyone using the petrol station at the time, especially as now many of the LPG pumps are situated alongside the petrol pumps rather than isolated near the derv pumps for HGV vehicles as they often were.
My Gaslow system uses braided stainless steel pipes between the filler point and the two bottles, but the bottles have non-return valves on the LPG inlets to avoid spills in the event of an accident. My Hymer has the gas compartment on the opposite side of the vehicle from the fridge. but even though I have a regulator which is designed and rated to be used in moving vehicles, I still turn off the gas before leaving site and run the fridge on 12v from the vehicle side.
The previous owner suggested turning off the gas before hitting the road, and he knew more about running a MH than I ever will!! so that is what I do!!!
Smaug
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Terrifying experience, I can see how the sound of filling the gas would mask the leak too, but the gas should drain out of the bottom of the locker or under the van. I'd expect that to be detectable by the smell, but maybe you get some smell just from filling anyway. I also suppose that the gas must have then been drawn into the fridge vent by the natural convection action of the flame - and BOOM! You & the mutt were lucky to escape with your life.
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Hi Covey,
In my 9 years as a military medic I only saw one injury from a No1 Burner and strangely it was not a burn but the burner exploded and the resulting shrapnel took his arm off just below the elbow and another bit ended up in his leg.
Naptha - Sort of petrol with added Bang Factor and we are worried about a fridge on LPG.
I wonder what the difference is between a van parked with the fridge on gas in a 30mph wind and a van doing 30mph with the fridge on gas.
Richard
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If you follow the Gaslow instructions for refilling their LPG bottles they quite clearly state that the turn valve on the top of each Gaslow bottle should be turned OFF to isolate the gas bottles from the bulkhead regulator or bottle regulators.
That means that when you are refilling your Gaslow LPG bottles in a petrol station, there should be NO GAS APPLIANCES RUNNING and no pilot lights lit. because the gas supply to the vehicle is shut off at the top of the LPG tanks.
Each Gaslow LPG bottle has a non return valve on the filler inlet to prevent liquid/gas escaping out of the filler pipe at the top of the tank.
As you have to stand holding closed the control button on the LPG pump and you are in very close proximity to the gas compartment I would have thought that a ruptured filler pipe would show liquid LPG flowing out of the split and the smell would be very very strong!!
Given that the LPG pumps need to be idiot proof ( the consequences of them not being are fairly dire!!!) I would have thought there is a pressure sensor that ensures that if the pump is pumping liquid LPG against little or no pressure, then the sensor assumes a broken pipe or misaligned nozzle and stops the pump anyway:bow:
That means that when you are refilling your Gaslow LPG bottles in a petrol station, there should be NO GAS APPLIANCES RUNNING and no pilot lights lit. because the gas supply to the vehicle is shut off at the top of the LPG tanks.
Each Gaslow LPG bottle has a non return valve on the filler inlet to prevent liquid/gas escaping out of the filler pipe at the top of the tank.
As you have to stand holding closed the control button on the LPG pump and you are in very close proximity to the gas compartment I would have thought that a ruptured filler pipe would show liquid LPG flowing out of the split and the smell would be very very strong!!
Given that the LPG pumps need to be idiot proof ( the consequences of them not being are fairly dire!!!) I would have thought there is a pressure sensor that ensures that if the pump is pumping liquid LPG against little or no pressure, then the sensor assumes a broken pipe or misaligned nozzle and stops the pump anyway:bow:
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Hi chrisinbrightion,
A lucky escape for you but the hard core will still carry on regardless with gas switched on,it could never happen to them:scared::scared:
Regards Snowbirds.
Hi chrisinbrightion,
A lucky escape for you but the hard core will still carry on regardless with gas switched on,it could never happen to them:scared::scared:
Regards Snowbirds.
Covey
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The No1 Burner was a very efficient way of cooking in bulk and the sound of the No1 firing up at dawn was a welcome sound as it meant some warm water for a shave and brekkers!!!
If they were well maintained they were OK, but when the pump seals went duff, watch out!! I am sure Elf & Safety would not allow them to be used today!!!
I had a CO who wanted a full winter warfare demo done for some visiting bigwig in the middle of summer. I had great difficulty in explaining to him that a fuel (Naptha) which was designed to stay liquid at -25C was going to do some very horrible stuff at +25C!!!! He insisted, I asked for it as a written order, the order was written and signed by him, and he signed the write off for a Volvo snowcat plus two F shelters which went up in the blaze.
Such people were sent to try us!!!!!:lol-053:
If they were well maintained they were OK, but when the pump seals went duff, watch out!! I am sure Elf & Safety would not allow them to be used today!!!
I had a CO who wanted a full winter warfare demo done for some visiting bigwig in the middle of summer. I had great difficulty in explaining to him that a fuel (Naptha) which was designed to stay liquid at -25C was going to do some very horrible stuff at +25C!!!! He insisted, I asked for it as a written order, the order was written and signed by him, and he signed the write off for a Volvo snowcat plus two F shelters which went up in the blaze.
Such people were sent to try us!!!!!:lol-053:
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uuumm interesting responses. I do sometimes leave on but tend to turn off if I remember. I was told it was illegal to drive with it on. So I imagine that if there was an accident and the gas pipe ruptured and ignited, apart from the obvious danger. I would be responsible for the consequences.
I never leave it on for a long drive motorway or if my betrothed ispassenger - she has a more elevated sense of danger/correctness than me
uuumm interesting responses. I do sometimes leave on but tend to turn off if I remember. I was told it was illegal to drive with it on. So I imagine that if there was an accident and the gas pipe ruptured and ignited, apart from the obvious danger. I would be responsible for the consequences.
I never leave it on for a long drive motorway or if my betrothed ispassenger - she has a more elevated sense of danger/correctness than me
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uuumm interesting responses. I do sometimes leave on but tend to turn off if I remember. I was told it was illegal to drive with it on. So I imagine that if there was an accident and the gas pipe ruptured and ignited, apart from the obvious danger. I would be responsible for the consequences.
I never leave it on for a long drive motorway or if my betrothed ispassenger - she has a more elevated sense of danger/correctness than me
An incident (no longer called an accident in Police speak) is caused by a number of factors coming together at the same time. Switching the gas off will eliminate one factor.
Should your treasured and expensive motorhome go up in flames, I am sure that your Insurance Company will tell you not to worry that you contributed to the incident. They will pay out the many thousands of pounds to replace your lovely vehicle.
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Truma produce two versions of their bulkhead changeover/regulator called a Duo-Control.
The basic Duo-Control is not rated by any EC National Authority for use in a moving vehicle
The Duo-Control CS is rated by most EC countries for use on the move. This unit is fitted with a crash sensor (CS!) and auto shut-off valve. Truma also make connecting hoses which are rated as "crash resistant" and these hoses have auto shut off valves in case they become detached from the regulator.
If you had a gas appliance running on the move without the appropriate approved fittings, then I suspect your insurance company might well walk away in the event of a claim.
I presume that the Gaslow requirement to shut off the supply valve to the regulators is mainly to prevent damage to the regulator/s because the LPG pump pressure has got to be greater than the existing tank pressure in order to get a flow of liquid.
The basic Duo-Control is not rated by any EC National Authority for use in a moving vehicle
The Duo-Control CS is rated by most EC countries for use on the move. This unit is fitted with a crash sensor (CS!) and auto shut-off valve. Truma also make connecting hoses which are rated as "crash resistant" and these hoses have auto shut off valves in case they become detached from the regulator.
If you had a gas appliance running on the move without the appropriate approved fittings, then I suspect your insurance company might well walk away in the event of a claim.
I presume that the Gaslow requirement to shut off the supply valve to the regulators is mainly to prevent damage to the regulator/s because the LPG pump pressure has got to be greater than the existing tank pressure in order to get a flow of liquid.
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A couple of points Covey.
Not all of us have the automatic changeover system that switches appliances between Gas/mains/battery. We have manual systems without automatic gas shutoff equipment.
Your second paragraph is correct (to my mind). Insurance companies are getting worse (and sneakier) about getting out of claims. Off topic a bit but if you had Insurance cover to drive somebody elses vehicle then check the info that came with your latest renewal (the fine print that nobody bothers with). Many companies have sneakily removed that from renewals. You will find that information only if you look carefully for it. :rulez: