Councils lobby government to raise parking fines

[shawbags]

Surely that would be grounds to win an appeal....

Yes it would be grounds for an appeal but it just goes to show how the courts in some cases have got you down as guilty before the case has been heard,the court hearing in a lot o cases is just a formality,how much money have the courts made under these circumstances and we are supposed to trust our legal system,cheers Shawbags.

 

[Basil]

Prudent....

Hi again,i have been reading some of the TPUC.org posts take a look and give me your opinion,i do disagree with the way the law in some cases takes the p*~s but i truley believe that without the law this country would be in ruins so any help would be gratefully recieved,out of interest can you tell me if it is law that i must give a police officer my name if they have no reason to believe i have commited a crime,cheers Shawbags.

I would have thought that if law or not, it would be prudent to comply....
They could revert back to identity cards..... that is another story....
What have I started.... sorry....

 

[John H]

Hi again,i have been reading some of the TPUC.org posts take a look and give me your opinion,i do disagree with the way the law in some cases takes the p*~s but i truley believe that without the law this country would be in ruins so any help would be gratefully recieved,out of interest can you tell me if it is law that i must give a police officer my name if they have no reason to believe i have commited a crime,cheers Shawbags.

I absolutely agree that some laws are bloody stupid but also agree that without the rule of law we would be in a much worse position. It may not be a perfect system but it is better than any alternative anybody has yet come up with.

If you are stopped by a police officer who does not suspect you of a crime then you do not have to reveal your name and address - but remember if you upset them then they might find reason to suspect you of a crime, so its a bit of a circular argument. If you find yourself in this situation and do not wish to give the information, be polite and co-operative.

As for tpuc, I have studied their activities a lot recently and their ideas are based on fallacy. Statute law always outranks what they call common law (more acurately called case law) in this country and tpuc have some very odd views on what constitutes common law anyway - I wouldn't recommend anybody to follow their advice or you could end up in a lot of trouble.

 

[John H]

Yes it would be grounds for an appeal but it just goes to show how the courts in some cases have got you down as guilty before the case has been heard,the court hearing in a lot o cases is just a formality,how much money have the courts made under these circumstances and we are supposed to trust our legal system,cheers Shawbags.

No, don't trust it - always question it but do it by using the law. In other words, don't try to pretend that statute law doesn't apply to you, rather appeal on the basis that they cocked up the paperwork. The former will have you marked down as a nutter; the latter will probably win the case for you.

 

[shawbags]

No, don't trust it - always question it but do it by using the law. In other words, don't try to pretend that statute law doesn't apply to you, rather appeal on the basis that they cocked up the paperwork. The former will have you marked down as a nutter; the latter will probably win the case for you.

I agree with the fact that you can be looked at as a nutcase but i also agree with some of what the tpuc have to say,and some of there videos show how the police abuse there powers and treat people with disrespect,on the other hand i would not like there job with some of the people they have to deal with these days,cheers Shawbags. P.S i was not involved in the case personaly.

 

[John H]

I agree with the fact that you can be looked at as a nutcase but i also agree with some of what the tpuc have to say,and some of there videos show how the police abuse there powers and treat people with disrespect,on the other hand i would not like there job with some of the people they have to deal with these days,cheers Shawbags. P.S i was not involved in the case personaly.

Can't argue with any of that - even the bit about tpuc. They have highlighted some genuine problems but the problem is with the way they encourage people to combat those problems - at best its a legal dead end; at worse it can add to the problem rather than solve it. All the best, John

 

[caspar]

I agree with the fact that you can be looked at as a nutcase but i also agree with some of what the tpuc have to say,and some of there videos show how the police abuse there powers and treat people with disrespect,on the other hand i would not like there job with some of the people they have to deal with these days,cheers Shawbags. P.S i was not involved in the case personaly.

Hi Shawbags,
I am not going to get drawn into this for reasons others will understand. Be VERY wary of the TPUC site if you're looking at common law - there is a VAST amount of misinformation around and it is an area that you really need to study for a very long time and have an expert grasp of if you are going to use it constructively.

If you are thinking of going down that route, and it can be used successfully, you need to be extremely cautious otherwise you are almost guaranteed to end up in more trouble than you started with.

 

[shawbags]

Hi Shawbags,
I am not going to get drawn into this for reasons others will understand. Be VERY wary of the TPUC site if you're looking at common law - there is a VAST amount of misinformation around and it is an area that you really need to study for a very long time and have an expert grasp of if you are going to use it constructively.

If you are thinking of going down that route, and it can be used successfully, you need to be extremely cautious otherwise you are almost guaranteed to end up in more trouble than you started with.

Hi casper,i have no intentions of acting on anything at the mo as i have no reason to but i do take notice when the police act unlawfully,i look, listen but always make my own mind up on any subject.I can asure you that i am not the type to be lead up the garden path by anyone and as for as i can see there are a lot of subjects on the tpuc sight about how to act but a lot of the time the final outcome is never posted,makes you wonder why,cheers Shawbags.

 

[caspar]

Absolutely right! There are some very good common llaw sites out there, but as I say unless you go wholeheartedly into it which is extremely complex in this day and age, there is little point in pursuing the common law line. It can be done, but requires massive commitment and determination. It also means you potentially lose many things we take for granted as rights - this is being fought in court at the moment.

 

[shawbags]

Absolutely right! There are some very good common llaw sites out there, but as I say unless you go wholeheartedly into it which is extremely complex in this day and age, there is little point in pursuing the common law line. It can be done, but requires massive commitment and determination. It also means you potentially lose many things we take for granted as rights - this is being fought in court at the moment.

Watch the whole of this youtube video ( freeman in court fighting u.k. council tax 2 of 2 ) ,this will show the case i am talking about,how can we trust the system,cheers Shawbags.

 

[John H]

Hi Shawbags.

I have watched the video and there is an awful lot of self-deception involved in it. The reason why the magistrate could not continue was simply because he could not be sure that the person in front of him was the person stated - it had nothing to do with all the nonsense spouted by the "freemen". If you look at the documentation sent to Mr Barry after the case it states that because he did not properly present himself he was found liable in his absence - in other words the "freemen" most certainly did not win whatever they think. The mistake - over the timing - is what destroyed the case. The law and those who operate it can be stupid and you can take advantage of that stupidity but all this "freemen" nonsense is just that. Personally, I think the magistrate was very tolerant in not punishing them.

 

[John H]

Some further thoughts:

1. By pretending that he wasn't liable for Council Tax, he was costing the rest of us money
2. By wasting court time, he was also costing the rest of us money
3. His "victory" over the timing of the order was at best a temporary one because they would simply have re-issued the order (as you said earlier, you never see the ultimate conclusion in these tpuc cases) thus costing the rest of us money yet again.

It is easy to sympathise with those who have a go at the system (and I didn't say the system wasn't stupid!) but at the end of the day, maybe its because of idiots like him that the system has to find other ways to make money. For example, by charging exhorbitant car parking fees - which neatly brings us back to where this thread started!

 

[michael beck]

light emitting revenue generators

Shetland has for the past 2 years pursued an aggressive enforcement of the 20mph on the roads alongside schools.
Positioned after the 20mph flashing signs the vertically challenged plods they have nowadays are to be seen on a frequent basis (fair weather only) armed with speed camera, surgically enhanced well polished boots and a surplus of writing material
Fines are a bit fierce with £400 and 5 points for 34mph , £300 and 4 points for 38mph last week.
Shetland police and the authorities seem to be trying to think up as many money making exercises as possible, there is also a !!PARKING WARDEN!! for christs sake,(probably the most hated man in Shetland)
Its fast trying to lose its distinction as one of the 10 best places to visit in the world.
Back in 1985 when I first arrived I asked how was drink driving on the island, I was informed to keep an eye out for the local bobby as he was invariably cross-eyed and legless,
Still we all had loads of respect for him, some of the Poisoned Dwarfs that have managed to get a uniform to fit should take note.

 

[maingate]

I know the feeling Michael.

I was going down a winding mountain road in Swaziland with my foot off the pedal and in 2nd gear when a huge black policeman stopped me. he said I was speeding and the radar trap does not lie.

I got an on the spot fine of about £25 (this was 1980). The cash went into his back pocket and I got no ticket. He was the double of Idi Amin, so I said nowt and just carried on.

I was targeted because my hire car had South African plates. Now who is racist?

 

[michael beck]

role model

I know the feeling Michael.

I was going down a winding mountain road in Swaziland with my foot off the pedal and in 2nd gear when a huge black policeman stopped me. he said I was speeding and the radar trap does not lie.

I got an on the spot fine of about £25 (this was 1980). The cash went into his back pocket and I got no ticket. He was the double of Idi Amin, so I said nowt and just carried on.

I was targeted because my hire car had South African plates. Now who is racist?

The powers that be probably brought him over here to give lessons in extracting Baksheesh with subtle menaces Maingate
Did you ever have the joy of going into Oran airport and through its customs ??

 

[maingate]

The powers that be probably brought him over here to give lessons in extracting Baksheesh with subtle menaces Maingate
Did you ever have the joy of going into Oran airport and through its customs ??

Not Oran but I went through many a 3rd world Airport with a couple of packets of fags strategically placed at the top of my flight bag.

Never seemed to have any bother (apart from often being short of fags).

 

[shawbags]

Some further thoughts:

1. By pretending that he wasn't liable for Council Tax, he was costing the rest of us money
2. By wasting court time, he was also costing the rest of us money
3. His "victory" over the timing of the order was at best a temporary one because they would simply have re-issued the order (as you said earlier, you never see the ultimate conclusion in these tpuc cases) thus costing the rest of us money yet again.

It is easy to sympathise with those who have a go at the system (and I didn't say the system wasn't stupid!) but at the end of the day, maybe its because of idiots like him that the system has to find other ways to make money. For example, by charging exhorbitant car parking fees - which neatly brings us back to where this thread started!

Hello again mr H,we seem to very much think alike,i agree with what you are saying but the fack that the paperwork was signed aprox 4 hours before the hearing shows gross injustice and negligents and there is no dought in my mind that the judge should have his botty smacked,cheers Shawbags

 

[John H]

Hello again mr H,we seem to very much think alike,i agree with what you are saying but the fack that the paperwork was signed aprox 4 hours before the hearing shows gross injustice and negligents and there is no dought in my mind that the judge should have his botty smacked,cheers Shawbags

He'd probably like that!!!

 

[maingate]

This has to be my favourite thread of all time.

It is keeping the nutters busy while we sensible members can discuss proper things.

 

[michael beck]

Not Oran but I went through many a 3rd world Airport with a couple of packets of fags strategically placed at the top of my flight bag.

Never seemed to have any bother (apart from often being short of fags).

See you have aquired the tee shirt as well,
Oran customs always confiscated the fags as an aperitif, the main course was your Scotch and the rest of your fags, followed by a tee shirt or jeans desert half inched from the Action packer of goodies for the 3-4 month trip.
They only got it once, After that the Pork products as top layer seem to change their minds and they had to settle for the fags.

Word of caution it won't work in Bradford, neither will calling your poteen holy water