Charging cab / engine battery from Solar panel.

Barry,
If you plan to get Vanbitz to do the work, then get them to supply and fit the battery master.
If USED, the Battery Master will operate like you are after basically.
If you are buying a NEW battery maintainer for someone else to fit, then the Battery Master is not the best or the cheapest around. You may as well get the best for the same money.

It doesn't matter which one you buy, they are pretty well identical in the WAY they are fitted (SB +ve, LB +ve and Common -ve) so if Installer XYZ can fit one, he can fit any. The method of operation does vary between them though.


Installing....
I think it was in a couple of posts between you and Merl, I was reminded of how your setup very likely is, based on the age of your motorhome and the model. The diagram below is officially from a Swift Sundance but is pretty well identical to many brands and models of British Motorhomes of the era.
I cannot be 100% sure yours is like this, but (especially as you have a Swift) worth looking to see....

The Section within the pink box are a couple of relays, typically located under the bonnet and probably on the drivers side. The fuses (just outside the pink box) will be with them also.
The Red line is a route from the Vehicle Battery to the "Home" Battery via the Split Charge Relay. To fit a Battery Maintainer (BM for short), all that needs to be done is to have a Piggyback from the wire that goes into the Relay (on Pin 30) to the VB+ve connection on the BM, the wire on the other side of the Relay (Pin 87) to the LB+ve connection on the BM, and a Chassis -ve from anywhere easy to the Common-ve of the BM.
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If you look at the diagram above, you can also see those two +VEs are available on the right hand side of the Fuses (In Sargentland, Brown/Blue coloured wires are Leisure Battery, Brown/Green is Vehicle Battery).
It would be possible to come off those fuse holders instead with a very simple set of pre-made wires with spade connectors ready-fitted (Blade Fuses use exactly the same size connectors as Spade Connectors, so you can take advantage of that). This would be a piggy-back fuse method.

You would have something like this .... Remove the fuse, put it into the fuse holder shown below, and then put the black "fuse" into the original place. The Lead with the blue bullet is your feed to the BM. Do this on the two lower fuses as shown in the wiring diagram and you have your two feeds ready to use (once you fit a couple of extra fuses to the 2nd position on the piggyback holder). You then just need to pick up the -ve from somewhere suitable. The pair shown below are £3.50 inc postage from Amazon (https://amzn.to/3Kc8TE4).
The only problem with these is potentially if one of the fuse taps needed is in the middle of a group of 3 (like the diagram suggests) so cannot be physically fitted. But that is a minor thing and can be worked round.
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Lots of options. the one above might appeal as you don't have to start disassembling control units?
The piggy back fuse holders would be my choice David and keep the maintainer in a better environment than under the bonnet eh?
Some images suggest that the connections at the main box are screw terminals anyway? If so even easier job!
 
The piggy back fuse holders would be my choice David and keep the maintainer in a better environment than under the bonnet eh?
Some images suggest that the connections at the main box are screw terminals anyway? If so even easier job!
On the older vans, those fuses are under the bonnet, but the maintainers are usually pretty weatherproof.
The Battery Master is sealed and even though the Ablemail AMT12-2 (my own preference by far) connections are exposed, all the electronics are encapsulated so waterproof as much as anything is under the bonnet.
 
This is from the actual manual but even these are not completely correct. It shows the KT9M4 control console under the diagram for the Kontiki but its the wrong one. I think mine is the KT9M3.

The text in the description of charging (see operating instructions) is not clear either as to if it should charge both batteries or not.

I reckon I am more confused now than when I started. I really appreciate the help and time but I wont be tackling this myself.



 
Barry,
If you plan to get Vanbitz to do the work, then get them to supply and fit the battery master.
If USED, the Battery Master will operate like you are after basically.
If you are buying a NEW battery maintainer for someone else to fit, then the Battery Master is not the best or the cheapest around. You may as well get the best for the same money.

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David,
The Battery Master is the one that you left in place (with a switch added) when you did my lithium installation last summer, just in case the CTEK kit didn't do this job. The CTEK does the job, so I have uninstalled the BM and it is available (once I get back from France).
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David,
The Battery Master is the one that you left in place (with a switch added) when you did my lithium installation last summer, just in case the CTEK kit didn't do this job. The CTEK does the job, so I have uninstalled the BM and it is available (once I get back from France).
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It will do the job required (y)
Times and Technologies have moved on and I wouldn't recommend it for a Lithium install, or as a new purchase, but still does the job on a basic Lead setup :)
 
David, re the battery master, just wondering how high the output (cab) voltage is compared to it's input (Hab) voltage?
Have you ever measured the voltage difference between them?
Never used one. I think the quoted differential to be active is 0.5V?
 
Never used one. I think the quoted differential to be active is 0.5V?
That figure rings a bell, David. I found that mine never worked; in Summer, the LB was fully charged by the Solar, but we were never parked up for long enough for the VB to run down after journies of 100 miles+ to reach Rallies etc; and in Autumn/early Winter, the LB didn't get enough Solar to reach 0.5v in excess of the VB when the latter really needed it, resulting the ECU failure after 2 weeks parked in late October/early November. The new ECU was fitted around mid December and you fitted the AMT12-2 in early January 2022, since when the AMT12 has been able to keep the VB fed sufficiently, even in January and February; and by March, the extra daylight has kept the LB at around 13.5v and the VB at 12.95v to 13.1v whilst parked up [i.e. 2 x Jan/Feb periods in succession]. I did plug the VB into the mains recharge for about 2 hours in January after the M/Home had spent some 7 weeks parked during a really cold and dark spell, dropping the VB to 12.87v and the LB to 13.1v

Steve
 
Not really practical to regularly plug into EHU here. Its actually easier to plug in a 240v charger into the bonnet if I have to than to try and reach the EHU socket on the van. If the vans parked up for any length of time on the drive ill disconnect the cab battery. I usually disconnect the solar also in mid winter as its been known to drag the hab battery down.
The panels are diode reverse protected and wont drag a battery down, and the regulater will not allow back current, something else is draining your sys.
 
The panels are diode reverse protected and wont drag a battery down, and the regulater will not allow back current, something else is draining your sys.

I am worried now I might have started a five page thread over nothing. The main reason my engine battery is maybe depleting is its lack of use. I reckon if I was more rigorous in disconnecting it when we park up or its laid up then it would be fine. I would rather not do that and a battery master might make sure at least when I am touring that I wont need to disconnect but its only because we are doing less miles and the motorhome parks up for longer while the bike does the work that its happening.
 
I am worried now I might have started a five page thread over nothing. The main reason my engine battery is maybe depleting is its lack of use. I reckon if I was more rigorous in disconnecting it when we park up or its laid up then it would be fine. I would rather not do that and a battery master might make sure at least when I am touring that I wont need to disconnect but its only because we are doing less miles and the motorhome parks up for longer while the bike does the work that its happening.
No old type lead acid battery should be left more than a few weeks without charging or the plates will sulphur up with white gunk.
Airport car parks are full of cars that have been left for weeks on end to the owners come back from their drunken Spanish orgies/ holls and wont start.
 
The Fiesta fired up ok after 29 day last time we were away, so how long would they last?
I think it depends more on the vehicle than anything else.

There's mention in this article about new cars being shipped with solar maintainers to counter the parasitic draw
https://www.optimabatteries.com/experience/blog/what-is-normal-for-parasitic-draw/

I imagine the age and therefore residual capacity of the battery counts for a lot if it's an old car with no aftermarket radios, alarms etc. I have an Exide flooded lead acid battery sitting in my garage unconnected that neeeds charging once every six months and it doesn't seem to degrade at that.
 
I am worried now I might have started a five page thread over nothing. The main reason my engine battery is maybe depleting is its lack of use. I reckon if I was more rigorous in disconnecting it when we park up or its laid up then it would be fine. I would rather not do that and a battery master might make sure at least when I am touring that I wont need to disconnect but its only because we are doing less miles and the motorhome parks up for longer while the bike does the work that its happening.
WOW! A five page thread that's still on topic. That's got to to be an all time first for WC:LOL:
 
Ive often left all my vehicles for months on end with no charge. Cars get left for up to five or six months, bikes often the same and the motorhome often gets left over winter. I just disconnect the negative lead off the batteries. Seems to work.
 

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