Another piece of land!

mariesnowgoose

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I have a vague recollection in the back of my head of hearing a figure of £2,000 per month somewhere?

Might have just been for Spain? No idea where I heard it either! :unsure:
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Here you go, found something useful at last - at least I hope it is?

"Proof that you have income that allows you to live in Portugal. To be eligible, you must have income or pensions amounting for 12 months: €7.200 for the first adult; €3.600 for second or more adults; €2.160 per children. You must provide 6-months of bank statements."

Found this info on the following website:-

https://www.portuguese-nationality.com/residency/the-d7-visa-portugal
 

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Here you go, found something useful at last - at least I hope it is?

"Proof that you have income that allows you to live in Portugal. To be eligible, you must have income or pensions amounting for 12 months: €7.200 for the first adult; €3.600 for second or more adults; €2.160 per children. You must provide 6-months of bank statements."

Found this info on the following website:-

https://www.portuguese-nationality.com/residency/the-d7-visa-portugal
Could I show them a picture of under my mattress?. 😂
 

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Here you go, found something useful at last - at least I hope it is?

"Proof that you have income that allows you to live in Portugal. To be eligible, you must have income or pensions amounting for 12 months: €7.200 for the first adult; €3.600 for second or more adults; €2.160 per children. You must provide 6-months of bank statements."

Found this info on the following website:-

https://www.portuguese-nationality.com/residency/the-d7-visa-portugal
That sounds do-able just got to try get over there and view the plots for sale as I think it would be too much of a gamble to buy something without visiting it
 

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In Spain seems to change with time, who you talk to and where you apply. Before Btr it day was 8 K per person in bankfor 3 months but we got in for less given a good pension. Now think it's 24k for first person and 6k for second we think. Getting harder all the time.
 

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Back to proving your income, does anyone know is there a minimum income that is required to be accepted?
Thanks
Think I saw something like £1070 month ....but if there is a savings lump sum, this cann be taken into account. As Marie showed, if applying for a D7 visa before entering the country the figure is £7000 year, then reduced amounts for accompanying people.
 

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That sounds do-able just got to try get over there and view the plots for sale as I think it would be too much of a gamble to buy something without visiting it
D7 visa you have to give an address where you will be on arriving in Portugal, then when arrive open bank account, get Tax number etc.
 

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That sounds do-able just got to try get over there and view the plots for sale as I think it would be too much of a gamble to buy something without visiting it

@gypo - suggest if serious about doing this you go over there (when safe and legal to travel) and follow up suitable properties on the ground. I suspect there will be lots more properties available for sale when you get there that won't necessarily be advertised online?

Two years ago we were intending to have a holiday in Portugal and do something similar. Volunteering at various country properties who needed free labour in exchange for somewhere to stay with meals chucked in. A lot of students and younger folk do this, but at the time I was still (I thought!) fit and healthy, but not so do-able for me now. :cry:

It still seems like a good way to go about it for anyone seriously thinking of relocating to Portugal with perhaps a smaller budget, but not sure where to start?

You'd get a taste of what it would be like living there as opposed to just holidaying. Living somewhere for long stretches of time is a different ball game to touring or holidaying - you might not actually like it?.

Anybody dreaming about doing this I say go for it!

There's obviously not many adverts for volunteers just now because of the pandemic - there were loads to choose from when I was looking 2 years ago! - but hopefully things might open up again going forward?

Small list of potentially useful websites here:-

https://helpstay.com/stays/Volunteer-Organic-Farm-Portugal#overview

https://www.workaway.info/en/hostlist/europe/pt

https://www.worldpackers.com/search/europe/portugal

https://freevolunteering.net/volunteer-portugal/
 

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I don’t know the process for applying for residential status in Portugal. It maybe easy and it may be complicated. The only advice or suggestion I can offer is to find an English speaking solicitor or legal assistant to help you through the process. There are a myriad of questions you need to answer before you buy a property/land. Do you need to be a resident to buy the land? To obtain residency do you need to show a regular income or a lump sum paid into a Portuguese bank? Will you want to access the Portuguese health system? Will you have to make a Portuguese will before you can buy the land/property? (It’s a requirement in Spain now). You’ll have to change your driving license. You’ll probably have to pay income tax in Portugal if you are a resident which involves completing a UK double taxation relief form. A plot of land for 4 or 5 thousand euros is obviously tempting but probably very complicated. Get some proper legal advice which probably won‘t be very expensive but could save you a lot of heartache in the future.
All the best and good luck,

Pat
 

mariesnowgoose

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Good advice, Pat.

A few of the better/trustworthy property websites for Portugal offer all of those services I think?

REC and Pauljenny will know a fair bit about the process, Pat.
They've both been happily residing (part time) in their Portuguese 'hovels' for some years now, I think?

In fact both parties are in Portugal right now (wearing their smug filters, I hope! 😜 )
 

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The estate agent should help with getting a NIF number ...have to have this tax number to buy a property. Ours helped us open bank account, get NIF and translated documents also.. 14yrs ago. Look at this site for useful information. D7 visa link

Also many of the expats forms have a " step by step guide"
Recent legislation means that 10% tax is payable on pensions but any other income is tax-free for ten years under NHR rules... (have to register this at the outset when getting residency). If you only have uk pension then S1 form makes everything easy and the NHR is not needed. Really do need to investigate the options thoroughly and get professional advice before jumping!
 

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Does anyone know the requirements for Spain with regards to doing the same thing I.E buying a plot of land to use for a Motorhome, also the requirements to get residency as per Portugal?
Thanks
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Before you can buy land or property in Spain you will need an NIE number (think of it as similar to a UK NI number). The application process varies from region to region In Spain. You cannot buy land or property in Spain without this.
Assuming you have obtained your NIE number and purchased some land or a ruin and assuming you are permitted to park your motorhome on it you will still be governed by the 90/180 day rule as a non resident. So if you wanted to stay in Spain longer than that you would have to apply to become a resident. This is rather more complicated and would require you to demonstrate proof of income or deposit a sum of around 9,000 euros (I’m not sure of the exact amount) in a Spanish bank. Either way you will require a Spanish bank account. You will have to register on the “padron” at the local town hall showing them where you live - after all if you are applying for residency it would be assumed you live somewhere in Spain which is a reasonable assumption. You will need to provide utility bills.
So you’ve got your NIE number, your new TIE card (residency document) and you can stay in Spain as long as you like. But now you are a resident you will have to pay Spanish income tax. You’ll have to change the plates on your van to Spanish plates after a period which I think is 6 months and that’s an expensive process.
If you don’t speak fluent Spanish you will have to use the services of a Gestoria (solicitors). If you are in a major town or city there are plenty of English speaking solicitors who will assist you but good luck finding one in the back of beyond which is probably where you’ll be if you’re looking for cheap land or a ruin.
I really don’t want to be negative regarding your plans and ideas but its not going to be easy to achieve your objectives. Loads of information on the UK Gov website and also on the Spanish Gov websites to help you do more research.
Good luck,

Pat
 

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FWIW I have always been drawn towards Portugal and never considered Spain as an option for residency - or even as a holiday destination.

Don't really know why Portugal, more a gut feel, backed up by a little research over the last few years? :unsure:
 

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FWIW I have always been drawn towards Portugal and never considered Spain as an option for residency - or even as a holiday destination.

Don't really know why Portugal, more a gut feel, backed up by a little research over the last few years? :unsure:
It's history, Marie..
Spain has always considered The British to be hostile..
Wrong religion,
Centuries of duplicity, to maintain the balance of power, always Thwarting French and Spanish expansion and influence in Europe, Africa, The Carribbean and North America.
Always playing one off against the other.
Elizabeth I and Philip of Spain...
Boasting about how we stuffed the Armada..
Even The Falklands/ Las Malvinas..

Portugal, however, sees us as their oldest friend. They're taught this at school.
Always there to stop Spanish and French incursion.
We lent them the money to pay for Wellington, during the Peninsula war, and financed the rebuilding of the huge damage done by the 1755 earthquake..
They're still paying interest, our locals say.
When we were at war with France and Spain, we always needed somewhere reliable to provide us with booze.
Hence the British names of the main Port houses.
It's good here, innit, Ruth.?
 

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It's good here, innit, Ruth.?
It is...my only annoyance is that those who speak English want to practise on us and won't help us get more to grips with Portuguese...not an easy language! But have never met a Portuguese who is unpleasant just due to nationality...and we, personally, don't seem to have put them off...yet! :ROFLMAO:
A lot of the older generation of Portuguese here, have worked abroad mainly in France, in their youth. They seem to relate to the issues of being in a different country as a result.
 

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that was useful . when we first went down there, you couldn't buy ready planed timber so you had to buy rough sawn wood ,then take it to a chippy who'd sort it into planed boards and mouldings . luckily we'd lived in France so i could communicate with these guys ,who enjoyed speaking in French anyway ! putting up a shelf could involve driving 60k and waiting a week ,but that was the pace of life
 

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