3G Broadband & WiFi Requirements

Talking about wifi, but wondering if the same antenna might be usable for 3G.

The body of the habitat section of my MH is non-magnetic - do you think the base would be heavy enough to still work on the roof in normal weather (obvious a gale would blow it away)? Or, if it is a permanent external mounting (which I could do) it would need to be on spring base, to avoid damage by overhanging branches.




Polly
 
Polly for a magentic base to work it has to have something to 'stick' onto. Also a steel base gives the aerial a 'groundplane' which improves the signal reception.

My soloution has been to mount a steel bracket that is coated with a suitable paint to stop rusting and I simply atrtach the MagMount aerial to that when I want to use it. I know of a swiss motorhome owner that carried a flat steel plate to which he had attached rubber feet. He simply opened the skylight and put the plaste flat on the roof and attached his aerial to that.

Basically the solution has to be one that 'works' for you. If the construction of your vehicle is mainly GRP you could mount it inside but if you have an aluminium body this would not work as the aluminium would block or reduce the signal received.
 
Consider a premicell unit if you want the mobile phone / mobile data access in remote areas.

Hi torwood,

I really like the sound of the 'Premicell' for remote locations. Could you possibly explain a bit more about how they work? I can only seem to find info about using them from a landline to make calls to mobiles at a reduced rate, nothing about using in remote areas? Surly if it has a sim card in it, it requires a mobile signal to work!?:confused:
 
Hi Harry - A premicell unit is basically a mobile telephone in a box that acts as a gateway between a mobile network and a wired network such as your ordinary home phone. Some companies attach them to a switchboard so users can call a mobile on the same network (usually their own staffs) at a cheaper rate.

You locate the box wherever suitable and wire in landline telephones. In the mountain rescue communications vehicle I wired two ordinary household telephones - one in the front of the vehicle accesible to the driver and one in the rear where search management and communications would happen. I used ordinary household telephone cable and sockets. This gives me two phones either of which can be used to make/answer a call. I have a spare socket into which a fax machine or modem can be connected. An external aerial is fitted to the outside of the vehicle. In extreme locations the aerial can also be routed up a pump up mast (a bit extreme for a motorhome, although some locations in Scotland I could see the benefit!!) extending the range.

The units are intended for use in remote location houses where a landline may not be an option. Like a mobile phone they normally work from a mains powered small transformer, a bit like the charger for an ordinary mobile. I simply sourced a 12 volt converter that would drop the vehicle supply to the 6 volts the unit I had needed and hard wired that into the supply through a suitable isolating switch and fuse. This allows it to be switched off if not needed.

The Premicells should be Sim free and all you do is slot in your own Sim however make sure the Premicell supports the band(s) you want to access while mobile (GSM900, GSM1800 for UK/Europe, G3 etc).

I can not comment on the 3G aspect as I have not used it for that, however I see no reason why it should not make an improvement overall. One of the problems with handheld units is that they have small aerials internally and users hold them at odd angles and even holding them drops the signal strength some.

these factors will contribute to weak signals, weak signals introduce errors which the system compensates for by requesting the same information again and again until it is successfully received. All of this redundancy leads to slow delivery of data which a premicell unit may overcome. Hope this helps.

Robert
 
Thanks very much for that Robert, much appreciated.
I'm being really stupid here but I still have not grasped how they work or the benefit over a normal mobile phone?
Are they designed to work in areas with low GSM signals and act as an amplifier to get a decent signal to make a call, is that correct? They reason I ask is, it says they work almost anywhere, I.e.

Construction, Mining and Oil Sites
Exhibitions
Boats
Vehicles
Sports Events
Emergency Incident Locations
Defence
Outside Broadcasting

I just have visions of them working where no mobile signal exists?
I hope that makes sense.

Thanks again.

Cheers

Harry
 
They're probably not what you're looking for as they require a phone system or at least a standard phone to be connected.

I'd like to talk to people to see what they really require as there is a lot of confusion.

I've sourced several pieces of equipment that will improve the connectivity of 3G data and wifi.

If you want to talk to discuss your exact requirements, call me on 01492 586002 or 07979 508286
 
Harry they will only work where there is a mobile phone signal. Think of being out in your motor home and using your TV aerial to get a picture, not very good it breaks up all the time, switch on the amplifier and hey! you have got a picture that breaks up occasionally. Now take the aerial off your roof and fix it at the top of the tree nearby, connect it to the amplifier and hey a crisp clear picture with no breaking up. However if there is a mountain between you and the transmitter and you don't have line of sight then no picture unless you climb the mountain.

Premicell is a bit like amplifier sitting between the aerial and the TV. Hope its clearer. Took me a while to get my head around all of it when I was researching options for the teams communications strategy.

Robert
 
They're probably not what you're looking for as they require a phone system or at least a standard phone to be connected.

I'd like to talk to people to see what they really require as there is a lot of confusion.

I've sourced several pieces of equipment that will improve the connectivity of 3G data and wifi.

If you want to talk to discuss your exact requirements, call me on 01492 586002 or 07979 508286

Just to clarify you need to add a domestic style landline telephone to use a Premicell unit - they do not need connecting to a domestic landline to an exchange.
 
I also cannot see the advantage of the Premicell if it is dependant on the the mobile network signal and then amplifies the signal, available and presumably converts it to analogue for land line use.
In the UK I use an unlocked dongle or the unlocked Sim modem in my netbook and try 2 or 3 net works for the best signal and hopefully HSPDA. I amplify the signal with a Wifry ( basically wire mesh domed frying grille with Belkin Amplifier in the centre) had it years, works reasonably well but I am looking to buy something a bit more sophisticated.
Pringle tubes can be used but tend to be very directional, satellite dish used by some, not tried it myself.
 
Premicell is a bit like amplifier sitting between the aerial and the TV. Hope its clearer. Took me a while to get my head around all of it when I was researching options for the teams communications strategy.

Robert

Ahhh, I get it now, thanks very much for explaining it Robert. I think I might see if I can pick up a cheap unit/aerial etc to have a play with. Are they all much the same. They seem to vary in price considerably.

Cheers
 
no 3g!

Hi, excuse the newbie but most of the country doesn't have 3g so the best you'll get on a laptop/mobile is around 237kbs which is painfully slow. Only larger towns/cities get 3g and high speeds. I think it's called edge? Inverness city has over 3mbs no problem but not out in the countryside!
 
3G& WiFi

Hi Ive just purchased a Kindle from Amazon £152 it gives me access to 3G and WiFi and I find that I can use it anywhere, I,ve just come back from Greece and my friend there put me on to it , can use it anywhere where you can get cell phone signal, at no extra cost, well worth looking into.
 
Hi Ive just purchased a Kindle from Amazon £152 it gives me access to 3G and WiFi and I find that I can use it anywhere, I,ve just come back from Greece and my friend there put me on to it , can use it anywhere where you can get cell phone signal, at no extra cost, well worth looking into.

Its not very fast to use.....its a bit cranky..though better with google "lite" products
BUT its free and works as far away as New Zealand.......its a great book reader
with 1000s of free books available.....but I think its worth the money for the FREE 3G
alone
 
I have never used a Kindle 3G/WiFi. Can you browse the internet on these too or is it purely a connection to download books/docs?
 
I use this in conjunction with Wifi using a 1KM USB Wifi Antenna.

Back in the UK the above antenna can be used to connect to FON hotspots - free if you have BT home broadband (or you can borrow a friends username / passwords). I can't really comment much more on the UK as we do all of our touring in Europe! :dance:


Do you have an more information on the 1 KM Antenna you use please?

Thanks
 
We are just under 3 months in to a 12 month tour of Europe, I need to have daily e-mail access for my work and I do this through Vodafone's Data Traveller service which gives me 25MB/day in every country in Europe for £10/mth.

You can tether it but officially it is against the T&C's so if you do so keep it to a minimum.

I read elsewhere that some users are wary of Vodafone and suspect they monitor use, ie tethering of that what is sold as data usage for mobile phone being used for laptop access. In theory so long as you are using up to 25MB per day you'd think it wouldn't matter, but if it contravenes the T&Cs, might they then consider it ok to charge you "standard" roaming charges ie £10/day for 3MB?
 
Premicell

Hi Harry
I am the person who supplied 'Torwood' with his premicell.
If you search for 'premicell' on Ebay, you will see that I have a Telular unit for sale for £95 or best offer.
(NB this is NOT the same type of premicell I supplied to 'Torwood' and does NOT have fax capability).
If you make me an offer of £59 (includes postage & VAT), I'll also throw in a bt to rj11 adaptor with ringing capacitor plus an n-type to sma adaptor plus sma minimag antenna (only has 2 metre lead I'm afraid) but please be sure to mention this if you do decide to purchase.
Best regards
Simon Clark
Business Telecoms
(My email address is my full name with no dot at my business name dot com)
 

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