Beach carpark Cromer, north norfolk

[Fisherman]

Cromer beachfront experienced a lot of problems last year with groups of
travellers setting up camp in those carparks. Incidences of rape (alleged) blatant
shoplifting in the town, fights in the pubs, you get the picture?
To prevent a recurrence of this it's no surprise really is it, if they resort to
imposing draconian measures such as banning overnighting......for everyone.
They can't be seen to be discriminating by restricting some and allowing others.
Sadly we're all lumped in with the lowest common denominator.

I suspected this would be the case.

Sorry but it’s not discriminatory to treat law abiding Motorhomers who wish to spend a night or two in the carpark differently from travellers who no doubt paid no parking dues and were setting up home for months on end. It’s perfecrly feesable to alow a certain amount of Motorhomes to spend the night and treat them differently from travelers.

As for the rape, shop lifting, fighting, I don’t know any Motorhome owners who primarily are in the winter of their lives who behave like this.

It’s not acceptable for us to be tagged in with such pond life, and it would not take much to spot the difference between us and them.

 

[campervanannie]

The list of prohibited activities is on the sign.

How much more explicit do you wish it to be?

Yes you can park for 24 hours ... But sleeping may cost you dear.[/QUOTE

I have seen similar signage that is not enforced where I live near Glasgow.
I was merely looking for advice which I have received from others.

Also try proving that someone was actually sleeping, they could have watching the tv all night.
But they cover themselves by stating you cannot remain in the vehicle in small print.

It’s just a shame that such a large carpark does not allow limited overnight parking.
But I will use the advice given by Annie.

Tried the my husband is on the beach fishing and I came back to make a coffee only ever got away with it once lol, last time 4 of us did it he was banging on our vans at 7am threatening us but did not fine us that time but took our reg and said next time it will be a fine.

 

[campervanannie]

That car park is a fair way from the town centre, whereas you can often get a space on the road close to the town. It doesn't make sense does it, but parking restrictions often don't!

It could have something to do with lots of overpriced campsite all within a small area I can think of nine within 5 miles of Cromer 4 next to the beach and that’s where they want you to go.

 

[campervanannie]

Ok here I go off on one.

First the signage is pathetic here.

Next morning jobsworth turns up 7am

You are not allowed to sleep here overnight.
Sorry but we have not slept here at all.

Jobsworth then asked were did you sleep then
None of your business is our reply.

Ok then jobsworth then tries the underhand method.

You are not allowed to remain in your vehicle whilst parked.
Sorry but we just got back here a few minutes ago to collect some belongings.


Things have to change in the uk but mostly in England.

Those of you who know this carpark will know its enormous, both sections about the size of 8 football pitches in total. You can park approx 400 metres from the nearest houses at the cliff edge and not disturb the locals. There is abosolutely no reason appart from being dammend obstinate as to why a controlled number of vans cannot be parked there overnight. But it’s all about attitudes, and quite frankly as far as England is concerned they are stinks.

I think it’s time that we formed a professional body who would represent our interests.
They could be active locally and nationally and be funded by us by an annual admission fee say £20-30.
Each member would receive annualy a current vignette which would be displayed on the windscreen.
If any member behaves poorly then they would not receive a new vignette the following year denying them access to registered parking facilities.

Things have to change in this country and I include Scotland. Ok things are much better up here, but nowhere good enough.

No you sleep in your tracks bottoms and a tea shirt when he comes knocking wifey answers the door you hide
Jobsworth. you cannot sleep in vehicles here
Wifey. I’m sorry but I am not sleeping my husband is night fishing on the beach I have just nipped back to refil his tea flask ( have flask in hand lol)
Oh and it helps to put an old fishing rod on floor outside the van.

 

[Channa]

Just a thought but how do you distinguish the difference between a camper and traveller for purposes of allowing people...you cant I would suggest.

If there is a sign stating no overnighting you obviously are not welcome so why rock the boat ?

I am interested as to why wildcampers feel they have special entitlement compared to other users this should liven debate

It is a genuine question a feeling of self entitlement is not sufficient tangible answers interest me.

Channa

 

[Channa]

I suspected this would be the case.

were setting up home Sorry but it’s not discriminatory to treat law abiding Motorhomers who wish to spend a night or two in the carpark differently from travellers who no doubt paid no parking dues and for months on end. It’s perfecrly feesable to alow a certain amount of Motorhomes to spend the night and treat them differently from travelers.

As for the rape, shop lifting, fighting, I don’t know any Motorhome owners who primarily are in the winter of their lives who behave like this.

It’s not acceptable for us to be tagged in with such pond life, and it would not take much to spot the difference between us and them.

How can you be law abiding receiving a fine for something you are asked not to due ? How do you differentiate from travellers ? some have motorhomes state of the art. And your assumption of working the difference between us and them ? I grant you some cases obvious but not always the case. and often a decent outfit will arrive and others follow ,I don't think it is as easy as you assume.

I worked fairs for a while and got discrimination believe me , the next moment on a CC site alone, no change of van I didn't put away a green head not knocking you please don't think that but there is no obvious solution

Channa

Channa

 

[campervanannie]

Just a thought but how do you distinguish the difference between a camper and traveller for purposes of allowing people...you cant I would suggest.

If there is a sign stating no overnighting you obviously are not welcome so why rock the boat ?

I am interested as to why wildcampers feel they have special entitlement compared to other users this should liven debate

It is a genuine question a feeling of self entitlement is not sufficient tangible answers interest me.

Channa

I find your post slightly insulting towards WCers it says no sleeping or cooking in vehicles or at least used to and the risk is mine to take on any car park lay-by or overnight, and if we all roll over when rules and regulations are put in place on any aspect of life where would we be now.
I wonder what the Channa of the day would have said to the suffragettes, special entitlement/ self entitlement.

 

[Fisherman]

Just a thought but how do you distinguish the difference between a camper and traveller for purposes of allowing people...you cant I would suggest.

If there is a sign stating no overnighting you obviously are not welcome so why rock the boat ?

I am interested as to why wildcampers feel they have special entitlement compared to other users this should liven debate

It is a genuine question a feeling of self entitlement is not sufficient tangible answers interest me.

Channa

You obviously have never seen what travelers do to a carpark have you.

They moved into a carpark about a two miles from were I live.
It took the council 3 months to get them out, about a week to clean up the mess they left at a total cost to us of £130,000.
They won’t abide by the rules set out at Cromer, nor will they pay a penny in parking dues or fines.


Oh and bye the way they never paid a penny in parking dues, dumped tons of rubbish outside, and I don’t think their toilets were working.

I reckon you can spot the difference between us and them, and we have a home address they don’t.

 

[Fisherman]

I find your post slightly insulting towards WCers it says no sleeping or cooking in vehicles or at least used to and the risk is mine to take on any car park lay-by or overnight, and if we all roll over when rules and regulations are put in place on any aspect of life where would we be now.
I wonder what the Channa of the day would have said to the suffragettes, special entitlement/ self entitlement.

Exactly sometimes rules have to be challenged, and genuine Motorhomers deserve better treatment.

I have suggested a self regulatory body financed by us, who could discipline its own members if required.
Some kind of vignettes only being issued to members who behave properly.

 

[Channa]

I find your post slightly insulting towards WCers it says no sleeping or cooking in vehicles or at least used to and the risk is mine to take on any car park lay-by or overnight, and if we all roll over when rules and regulations are put in place on any aspect of life where would we be now.
I wonder what the Channa of the day would have said to the suffragettes, special entitlement/ self entitlement.

Jump off the high horse I was asking a perfectly civil question if it offends sorry but the question still stands.

I doubt very much you are offended....so don't try that line

Channa

 

[caledonia]

I agree that things are much better up here, but each year the signs and the barriers are going up.
Look at St. Andrews what happened there.

But currently we are relying on the goodwill of local councils and the local residents.

What’s needed nationally are rights for us, mandatory legislation that exists throughout Europe.
I was chatting to a French couple on Arran only last month, and they could not believe that lack of provision up here and in the rest of the uk. In France local authorities must make provision for Motorhome users.

Look at St Andrews? Lots of vans parked together in a tourist hotspot treating it like a campsite. I wouldn’t park there during the day never mind overnight. Leave that sort of place to the sheep. Scotland’s not about crowded beach carparks it’s about lochs and glens and unspoiled coastline. Start campaigning and you risk losing it.
Please don’t compare Scotland with France.

 

[Channa]

You obviously have never seen what travelers do to a carpark have you.

They moved into a carpark about a two miles from were I live.
It took the council 3 months to get them out, about a week to clean up the mess they left at a total cost to us of £130,000.
They won’t abide by the rules set out at Cromer, nor will they pay a penny in parking dues or fines.


Oh and bye the way they never paid a penny in parking dues, dumped tons of rubbish outside, and I don’t think their toilets were working.

I reckon you can spot the difference between us and them, and we have a home address they don’t.

You are joking ? I am well aware the damage that can be done but not answrerd my question ...the mentality of local councils tends to be around here at least the clean up operations are cheaper than providing purpose built sites for travellers not ideal ...For clarity I know damn well they can be nuisances

Channa

 

[Fisherman]

How can you be law abiding receiving a fine for something you are asked not to due ? How do you differentiate from travellers ? some have motorhomes state of the art. And your assumption of working the difference between us and them ? I grant you some cases obvious but not always the case. and often a decent outfit will arrive and others follow ,I don't think it is as easy as you assume.

I worked fairs for a while and got discrimination believe me , the next moment on a CC site alone, no change of van I didn't put away a green head not knocking you please don't think that but there is no obvious solution

Channa

Channa

I have had three parking tickets and done for speeding twice and I am very law abiding channa.
Are you law abiding, or would you regard yourself as such.

 

[Channa]

I have had three parking tickets and done for speeding twice and I am very law abiding channa.
Are you law abiding, or would you regard yourself as such.

That does not answer my question ? stop slip sliding the question or just state I don't have the answer we will move on and let you rant

Channa

 

[Fisherman]

You are joking ? I am well aware the damage that can be done but not answrerd my question ...the mentality of local councils tends to be around here at least the clean up operations are cheaper than providing purpose built sites for travellers not ideal ...For clarity I know damn well they can be nuisances

Channa

Oh I thought you were the comedian on here channa.

The mentality of the councils is wrong plain and simple and it has to change plain and simple.
And it won’t change unless they are challenged.
Motorhomers are decent law abiding people who have paid tens of thousands of pounds ( including thousands in taxes) for their homes, they tax and insure their vehicles and really don’t ask for much in return.

To treat them the same as travellers who abuse local people and facilities is disgraceful, and never acceptable.

 

[Channa]

The vignette scheme I think has mileage but it is how it is policed and vetted that could be the issue

Channa

 

[Fisherman]

Look at St Andrews? Lots of vans parked together in a tourist hotspot treating it like a campsite. I wouldn’t park there during the day never mind overnight. Leave that sort of place to the sheep. Scotland’s not about crowded beach carparks it’s about lochs and glens and unspoiled coastline. Start campaigning and you risk losing it.
Please don’t compare Scotland with France.

Sorry but why not compare Scotland with France.
What’s wrong with that.
We are years behind the continent in attitudes.

Also you may not wish to park on such places but others do.

We are losing it that’s my point, every month barriers are erected and signs put up.

I enjoy the rural locations myself but I have had some great nights near tourist attractions also.

So your solution is allow barriers to be errected signs put up and sit back and do nothing about it.

There is now an island in Scotland were you are banned unless you can show proof of a campsite booking,
And others are looking on.

 

[campervanannie]

Jump off the high horse I was asking a perfectly civil question if it offends sorry but the question still stands.

I doubt very much you are offended....so don't try that line

Channa

I did not say offended I said slightly insulting and not a horse in sight.

 

[Fisherman]

The vignette scheme I think has mileage but it is how it is policed and vetted that could be the issue

Channa

By involving outside agencies like local authorities and the police who would be involved in its policing.
I reckon this is the way forward for us, we are currently sitting back hoping for the best, putting up with being compared to travellers and revellers and the like.

A professional body who is financed by us, monitored by us and the other agencies would be at least a step in the right direction. The way things are going 10- 20 years from now we will be reduced to going to campsites with hardly any pois currently available being usable.

 

[Fisherman]

Jump off the high horse I was asking a perfectly civil question if it offends sorry but the question still stands.

I doubt very much you are offended....so don't try that line

Channa

You just can’t help being offensive can you.
Playing devils advocate has its place, and I enjoy a bit of banter.
But to describe someone who is willing to take a chance of being done for a parking offence as not being law abiding is pedantic.

I reckon the vast majority of helpful knowledgeable kind people on here are law abiding.
But I also reckon that most have knocked up a few speeding tickets and parking tickets in their law abiding lives. When something is wrong there is nothing wrong in trying to change it, or at least question it.