Refillable LPG Bottles,worth the risk?

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witzend said:
Second this statement Problem is some don't no nothing and won't be told nothing either
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Bad grammar is just as bad as bad spelling.

Just sayin'

Some very knowledgeable people (Professional Engineers included) have made valid points on this thread which have been ignored or derided by other members. My first thoughts are stuff the lot of you, if you need help, go to a Motorhome specialist and pay big money for someone to sort your problems out, stop asking for free help and then abuse people whose advice you don't agree with.
 
Jeff G said:
Talking with a guy last week who had just bought a VW van conversion,his insurance asked for a gas safety certificate.He never said which company it was.
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Might be because it's a conversion, still they've only asked for a gas cert not a habitation check,
Strange how I've never been asked for either. Will have to check the fine print I think incase there's anything on there regards it
 
witzend said:
Kettle and Smokey springs to mind
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there is no e in smoky :idea-007::dance:
I don't like people commenting on spelling or grammatical errors, in these days of spell checkers and predictive texts we can all make mistakes, if you meant 'know' and type 'no' a spell checker will not pick anything up because 'no' is spelled correctly, why detract from an important topic because of a typo because this thread which was interesting and informative has gone sideways, do dyslexic members have less credible information than the ones who can spell?
 
tezza33 said:
there is no e in smoky :idea-007::dance:
I don't like people commenting on spelling or grammatical errors, in these days of spell checkers and predictive texts we can all make mistakes, if you meant 'know' and type 'no' a spell checker will not pick anything up because 'no' is spelled correctly, why detract from an important topic because of a typo because this thread which was interesting and informative has gone sideways, do dyslexic members have less credible information than the ones who can spell?
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Where is Vwalan when you need him? Still sunning himself I bet. :)

Richard
 
Maybe at the next meet we cold all put a sign on our vans of the sort of Gas system we all have on board ie professionaly fitted gasit, glowgas, or wing and a prayer from E-bay, and see who parks next to you.:lol-053::lol-053::wave::wave:must be worth a vote.:bow::bow:

Snowbirds.:sad::sad::sad:
 
snowbirds said:
Maybe at the next meet we cold all put a sign on our vans of the sort of Gas system we all have on board ie professionaly fitted gasit, glowgas, or wing and a prayer from E-bay, and see who parks next to you.:lol-053::lol-053::wave::wave:must be worth a vote.:bow::bow:

Snowbirds.:sad::sad::sad:
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So I take it that you always take all your vehicles to the main dealer and only have the manufacturers own parts fitted. You would never have generic brake pads fitted as we know that people are killed on a regular basis by braking issues.

Richard
 
Some very interesting opinions on this thread,I have not changed my mind though,I would not refill an exchange gas bottle using an adaptor on a garage forecourt.I must admit the process looked very simple and straightforward when I first saw it done last week at the garage(and much cheaper) but I would still rather err on the side of caution and have a proprietary refillable bottle/tank with an 80% automatic cut off.

The consequences of an accident and potential injury to other people may be small but I would still rather not take that risk.
 
wakk44 said:
Some very interesting opinions on this thread,I have not changed my mind though,I would not refill an exchange gas bottle using an adaptor on a garage forecourt.I must admit the process looked very simple and straightforward when I first saw it done last week at the garage(and much cheaper) but I would still rather err on the side of caution and have a proprietary refillable bottle/tank with an 80% automatic cut off.

The consequences of an accident and potential injury to other people may be small but I would still rather not take that risk.
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A well thought out considered opinion! Why do we get so few???

Richard
 
so if I put a sign on my van at my next meet I'e "dodgy diy fitted self filled gas system " I might get a bit of space sounds good,
in work practises I'm old school measure twice cut once sort of guy but as wak44 says when he saw it being done " looked very simple and straightforward " I have been gas qualified for over 40 years and over the last twenty the regulations have tightened through the corgi years to the new gas safe but the original legislation simply said that gas work had to be carried out by a competent person however the definition of competent has gone from "trained" to a five or 6 part five year repeated examination specialising in lpg cookers space heaters meters and pipework etc,
I don't despise all regulation but some of it can be very picky I'e for years kitchen fitters could install pipework behind units and just have a competent person come in and make the gas connections then someone tightened up on the part of the legislation that defined gaswork as anything designed and fitted with the intention of carrying gas and all,of a sudden all kitchen fitters had to be gas trained at a cost of thousands per individual!!!,
 
Tbear said:
A well thought out considered opinion! Why do we get so few???

Richard
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depends what you think is safest

if, like me , you have had 2 80% cut off valves fail you might feel that the safest way is to use any bottle , run it empty , then carefully measure in the stated capacity of the bottle ...hardly rocket science
 
Yes Tbear,

I do have my van serviced at a main commercial dealer and all my gas setups checked every year with a full Habitation.If you spend £30,000 plus on a new Motorhome why would you trust a back street bodgers.
I have worked on all my cars and vans since the age of 19,and have used after market brakes and fluids like Girling, Lockheed,Castrol Duckhams oils but they where better then the ones from the main manufacturer and all race tested at extreme levels.But I will always stay away from any kind of bad practice around Gas.



Tbear said:
So I take it that you always take all your vehicles to the main dealer and only have the manufacturers own parts fitted. You would never have generic brake pads fitted as we know that people are killed on a regular basis by braking issues.

Richard
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snowbirds said:
Yes Tbear,

I do have my van serviced at a main commercial dealer and all my gas setups checked every year with a full Habitation.If you spend £30,000 plus on a new Motorhome why would you trust a back street bodgers.
I have worked on all my cars and vans since the age of 19,and have used after market brakes and fluids like Girling, Lockheed,Castrol Duckhams oils but they where better then the ones from the main manufacturer and all race tested at extreme levels.But I will always stay away from any kind of bad practice around Gas.
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Two conflicting statements there.

I too worked on my own vehicles when I was younger but I did not pick which bits to do and which to get on my high horse about. I have never used one of those ebay filling devises but I have no problem with others doing so. People smoking around petrol stations when pumps are clearly in use, I have a problem with. Does this mean that we should be banned from filling our own cars up and have an attendant do so for us because some idiot has caused a problem in the past. I did see a Prat driving into our local garage with a cigarette in his hand which was stuck out of the window the other day. Should we be banned from driving ourselves onto the forecourt.

A lot of scare mongering has gone on, hyped up by companies with a large financial interest. If you want to reduce the number of dangerous incidents around vehicles look at what is actually causing the deaths and injuries, not what people think may possible happen.

Richard
 
It seems to be OK for the people that fill their ordinary bottles with the adapters to say that the ones that don`t do it are talking out of their arse.

However, when it`s said the other way round it`s wrong.
 
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Wooie1958 said:
It seems to be OK for the people that fill their ordinary bottles with the adapters to say that the ones that don`t do it are talking out of there arse.

However, when it`s said the other way round it`s wrong.
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No! Some of us are trying to have a discussion based on fact and reason. Not inflammatory remarks.

Richard
 
Whats the difference between filling a Gaslow type bottle and a Calor type bottle it's the same fitting that the pump connects to. Saying dodgey Ebay connectors isn't really correct they are just 2 gas fittings screwed together just like the fittings on a Gaslow bottle it's no more possible to overfill to leaking either at the forecourt.
 
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