Refillable LPG Bottles,worth the risk?

  • Thread starter Deleted member 9849
  • Start date
I agree but we've just toured through France and Spain and you can't exchange cylinders easily.

We noticed so many different brands as we moved through France and we certainly couldn't have exchanged any French ones in Spain.

You've got to go down the refillable route ...

I agree with you too,I also have a 60 litre refillable gas tank.The reason I have got a Repsol bottle is because we are on a site long term with the awning up and I don't want to be going out in the van to refill.I simply go in the hire car to the fuel station and exchange bottles when necessary.
When touring France(or the rest of Europe)a proprietary refillable gas bottle or tank is definitely the way to go,it's just a pain carrying all the different adaptors,they don't make it easy.
 
I agree with you too,I also have a 60 litre refillable gas tank.The reason I have got a Repsol bottle is because we are on a site long term with the awning up and I don't want to be going out in the van to refill.I simply go in the hire car to the fuel station and exchange bottles when necessary.
When touring France(or the rest of Europe)a proprietary refillable gas bottle or tank is definitely the way to go,it's just a pain carrying all the different adaptors,they don't make it easy.

If carrying a small bag with adapters in it is a pain, I hope you never get a puncture, that would be the end of your world!
 
When we built our big 6-wheel trailer in 2011, we looked at LPG systems and decided to go refillable, using a 4-hole tank from Tinley Tech and external fill points.

That gave us a reliable system that was 100% legal and 100% safe, subject to mechanical failure.

There were no cheapie ebay cylinder fillers then and I wouldn't use one now if I was doing it all again.

The Mercedes conversion will have a 90 litre underslung tank with 80% fill, safety valve etc etc built in.

We do carry a small Dutch gas cylinder and regulator in the trailer just in case we run out, but so far it remains unused.

I can see the attraction of the cheapie filler adaptors, but they do allow for stupidity or ignorance in the filling process which our tanks don't, and that is where the danger lays. Quality of construction may also be questionable, certainly the mechanical leverage allowed on some fillers must be straining the brass components.

Peter
 
As I have wandered through life, I have seen many things. What never ceases to amaze me is the stupidity of some members of the Human Race.

I am fully capable of refilling a standard bottle with an adaptor but sadly, there are some who only think they are. As an Engineer myself, I fully agree with the earlier post of Edina regarding people who I can only describe as Homicidal Idiots (of course they have not realised that themselves .... yet).

Did the participants of this thread know that Morrisons banned the filling of gas bottles on their forecourts? They did not see the funny side of an idiotic camper setting it ablaze.

I will now retire and watch you kids squabble ...... from a safe distance naturally. :)
 
I always find it entertaining to read the claptrap posted by posters who consider they are allegedly more than competent than anybody else other than common sense
 
I always find it entertaining to read the claptrap posted by posters who consider they are allegedly more than competent than anybody else other than common sense

I would be captivated to read about your wonderful life that has given you such understanding and experience (see your earlier quote beneath). Have you any plans to turn it into a novel? Would it be similar to a James Bond story? Could I have your autograph please.
LaieA_044.gif



"The usual scaremongering comments from those with no understanding or experience. I say no more"
 
Any Common Sense Around?

Surely this whole argument about what is or is not legal is pointless. If you use unauthorised adaptors etc to refill abroad, and you get incinerated, please do not return to complain after. There are numerous other safe ideas. For example I continue abroad with my two legal 3.9 calor cylinders, and when they run out switch over to individual camping gaz stoves which fill any gap till I get home. OR you could by a continental cylinder complete to fill in. The safety rules over lpg are there to keep you alive. If you break the rules, and should get freeze burns from lpg or get incinerated, what can one say........steve bristol
 
There are a couple of links to the Morrisons incident in May 2014. The first has a picture of the caravan with a long length of hose connecting cylinder(s) to a fill point in the door:

Eccles: Couple blasted in petrol station explosion thank the dynamic duo who saved their lives - Manchester Evening News

Eccles Morrison's camper van LPG fire: Hero gran Edith Ellison rescued camper van driver who was engulfed in flames - Manchester Evening News

Discussion on another forum about this in June 2014. Hope it is ok to link to this here particularly the post by "tonyidle" on page 3 where he describes a poor installation of Gaslow bottles which, I quote,

"had been installed by qualified professionals (I have the original invoice and gas certificate) "

and subsequently inspected during a habitation check:

Morrisons and LPG | Page 3 | MotorhomeFun | The Best Motorhome Club in the World (probably)

This would not put me off having a refillable system but shows one should inspect any gas installation, even by professionals, very carefully.
 
I always find it entertaining to read the claptrap posted by posters who consider they are allegedly more than competent than anybody else other than common sense


the problem with threads of this sort is that those of us who are truly ignorant about the issues involved here don't know which post is true and which is claptrap......


I think the only person I would trust with my gas installation in my van is a GASSAFE registered engineer
 
different engineers are qualified to work on different types of installations and some are trained in caravan work and LPG - all of them on the GASSAFE site list their areas of expertise....
 
Did the participants of this thread know that Morrisons banned the filling of gas bottles on their forecourts?
. :)

I always fill up at Morrisons when at home, they are the cheapest in the area.
Not been stopped yet.
 
Warning - Don't post anything here with your details on it!
I won't be, but it is also unlikely that I still have it. I only had the cylinder for about a month until I had a fixed underslung tank installed. The cylinder was then returned (empty) to the original supplier for a pre-agreed full refund of the cylinder rental cost. If I do still have it then I will post.
 
These types of issue are always contentious, I suspect in no small part to the fact that there are 2 somewhat competing schools of thought.

The first being that there will always be an, albeit small, hardcore group of cretins that love finding ways to hurt themselves, and those around them. As such, and if for no other reason than protecting those around them, legislation is required to limit the likelihood of them doing this.

On the flip side is the argument along the lines of "why should the majority of the people have to essentially be penalised on account of the odd cretin".

From my point of view they are both valid points.

Inevitably, the people that the legislation is put in place for are the very people who will likely ignore it, so does it help?

Another issue, leaving aside the contractual legalities (as I think they muddy the water) and the profit-maximisation, is the fact that in an increasingly litigious society companies need to protect themselves from prosecution as a result of the stupidity of others. So weighing up the trade from selling LPG to motorhomers and people with gas take-off tanks (as opposed to LPG vehicles with liquid take-off tanks) against the severity and likelihood of an 'event' may lead them to the conclusion that the reward is not worth the risk, or if it is that they need to put in measures to protect themselves from prosecution on safety grounds.


Stepping away from the specifics and looking at all people individually, there is a phenomenon known as 'risk-compensation'. The theory being that individuals have a fairly well set acceptable level of risk. These will obviously vary from person to person. Increasing the safety of a task/item/situation generally leads to that person taking more risk.

A couple of examples i've used before are the HK armed police issuing full body armour to their officers only to find the number of gun shot wounds and fatalities increased (as a result of the officers taking more chances). A rail crossing that had cars speeding across it led Network Rail to cut back the tree line to give approaching cars better visibility of the track, the result being that the average car speed afterwards was higher (as they could see further).

So in making things safer, we are not necessarily always making them better.

Getting back to the specific issue at hand, I think filling calor type bottles (that don't have the safety features of refillable bottles) poses a number of risks the 2 main risks being correctly gauging the 20% but the much bigger risk being that I suspect (cretins aside) there are still a fair number of people that don't even know about the 80% requirement (it is this latter group that concern me far more).

Just my waffly thoughts.
 
Last edited:
I won't be, but it is also unlikely that I still have it. I only had the cylinder for about a month until I had a fixed underslung tank installed. The cylinder was then returned (empty) to the original supplier for a pre-agreed full refund of the cylinder rental cost. If I do still have it then I will post.

That's a pity.
 
1. Purpose of the Refill Agreement Charge

In consideration for the Refill Agreement Charge, the Company agrees to refill the Calor Cylinder(s) (“Cylinder(s)”) included in your order with supplies of CALOR gas (“Gas”) during the currency of this Agreement. The Company will fulfill its obligation to refill the Cylinder by providing the User with a pre-filled Cylinder in exchange for the empty Cylinder, but reserves the right to refill the Cylinder by any other means. A Cylinder(s) can only be exchanged for a similar replacement refill Cylinder(s) within the same category as the current Cylinder(s), otherwise a new Agreement is required. Please see our exchange policy for further details about exchanging Cylinder(s).

Now I wonder what they mean.
 
For example, it has been reported that refilling legal systems is no longer permitted by Morrisons. They have banned ALL refilling because of those who have refilled supplier owned bottles.

Sadly this is yet another example of the few messing things up for the responsible majority!

Surely it's another example of someone (Morrisons) over-reacting and banning something without actually thinking it through?
 

Users who viewed this discussion (Total:0)

Back
Top