Motorhomes and speed cameras

Oak

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Just wondered whether anybody has any experience of whether this quote 'The Gatso can differentiate between different speed limits for different vehicles. For example cars, caravans and HGVs have different speed limits and the camera will measure the vehicles length and impose the correct speed limit for each vehicle' from this link - Gatso speed cameras explained and how they work - is correct? Can they really tell whether a motorhome is over 3,050kg? I can appreciate that they might be able to tell the difference between an HGV and a car but between models of motorhomes?? And by extension, is there any link to the DVLA database to identify weights with the average speed cameras?

cheers
Ian
 
Great question !!

As an IT professional, it would certainly be possible for the DVLA database to be referenced via the Gatso or any other system, wether it is the case I am not sure.

Steve
 
Oak said:
Just wondered whether anybody has any experience of whether this quote 'The Gatso can differentiate between different speed limits for different vehicles. For example cars, caravans and HGVs have different speed limits and the camera will measure the vehicles length and impose the correct speed limit for each vehicle' from this link - Gatso speed cameras explained and how they work - is correct? Can they really tell whether a motorhome is over 3,050kg? I can appreciate that they might be able to tell the difference between an HGV and a car but between models of motorhomes?? And by extension, is there any link to the DVLA database to identify weights with the average speed cameras?

cheers
Ian
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hi ian my knowledge of this is commerical vehicles have different speed limits and not just based on wietght, for example a 4x4 pick up a newish hilux max speed on a duel carrige way is 60 not 70 alot of pp esp the owernes of not aware of this till they find out through thier letter box. its because its classed as a commercial vehicle re m homes im not sure so the gatso takes the speed of any vehicle and campers it too its class on the v5
 
landyrubbertramp said:
hi ian my knowledge of this is commerical vehicles have different speed limits and not just based on wietght, for example a 4x4 pick up a newish hilux max speed on a duel carrige way is 60 not 70 alot of pp esp the owernes of not aware of this till they find out through thier letter box. its because its classed as a commercial vehicle re m homes im not sure so the gatso takes the speed of any vehicle and campers it too its class on the v5
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check the speed limits on this site, you may be mistaken?

https://www.gov.uk/speed-limits
 
I don't now the car myself, that is why I said "May" be mistaken.
 
Every time I see one I have a nasty habit of hitting the brakes .. Just in case .. :drive:
Only time we got flashed was in London. We were sitting in a traffic jam and it picked the motor cycle up going down the outside. Always wondered if he got a ticket as the camera was on the opposite side of the road. At the end of the M11 there is one where it drops down to 60mph from 70mph it takes thousands on £££ a year.

So how does it work with one of these b17.jpg

They would have to log the speed and check with the DVLA to find out if it was over the speed limit for said vehicle. So if it's a 50mph zone and you should only be doing 40mph how does it know also if you have a trailer on the back you should only be doing 40mph. They cannot be checking every single car that goes through and don't see how they can work out it's length and then take a picture.

You would have to trip it at the higher speed and then they would check vehicle by reg and just send a bill.
 
Steve121 said:
You seem to be assuming the Toyota Hilux is a ‘car-derived’ van. I'm quite sure it doesn't fit that catagory.
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its doesn't its classed as a commerical and its not classed as a multi pupose vehicle as thier are strict requirement in that
 
landyrubbertramp said:
its doesn't its classed as a commerical and its not classed as a multi pupose vehicle as thier are strict requirement in that
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Can it not be reclassified on the V5, similar to how motorhomes are, then the speed limits would be changed automatically


My MH was initially HGV, I had it reclassified as a PHGV, and drive accordingly
 
steco1958 said:
Can it not be reclassified on the V5, similar to how motorhomes are, then the speed limits would be changed automatically


My MH was initially HGV, I had it reclassified as a PHGV, and drive accordingly
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hi steco

if you mean change the class for say a pick up hilux then no as dvla would not re class as its not changed its purpose/ shape /use etc

i have a landrover county 110 1989 and its classed on the v5 as an estate car which is handy for toll roads bridges etc the tip etc that dont have height barriers yet being a landrover i can turn it into most things. a pick up with a demountable camper or as it is now a high roof camper type vehicle. i think also pick ups are commercials for vat advantages and insurance i think.
 
steco1958 said:
Can it not be reclassified on the V5, similar to how motorhomes are, then the speed limits would be changed automatically


My MH was initially HGV, I had it reclassified as a PHGV, and drive accordingly
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Good point.
I wonder if putting a demountable MH on the back would allow you to get the vehicle reclassified as a MH.
Strictly speaking I suppose it wont as its not permanent. Who knows.
 
The trick is not to get flashed by a camera,they help you with this by putting up large signs that display the maximum speed on a particular road and also put up signs saying safety cameras in use so it is quite easy really,if you pay attention that is.
 
Guys - another of my many aside, but just FYI

The HADECs cameras on gantries over managed motorways were originally intended for enforcing reduced speed limits but will now be used for enforcing all speed limits. From what I understand the triggers are currently set based on ACPO guideline thresholds. That said, whilst the HA are supplying data on offenders to the police, as far as i'm aware there have not yet been any prosecutions by the police.

There is also now a push to fit HADEC 3 systems (which face sideways and catch all lanes from one box) to gantry legs to do the same. They've started being installed.
 
mark61 said:
Good point.
I wonder if putting a demountable MH on the back would allow you to get the vehicle reclassified as a MH.
Strictly speaking I suppose it wont as its not permanent. Who knows.
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hi mark no its classed as a load i looked into it but saying that if you fix it i.e with anything other than straps like a more permant fixture then i wonder if it can re classed as a m home ive thought about this i.e mark what are expedition trucks classed as ?
 
landyrubbertramp said:
hi mark no its classed as a load i looked into it but saying that if you fix it i.e with anything other than straps like a more permant fixture then i wonder if it can re classed as a m home ive thought about this i.e mark what are expedition trucks classed as ?
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Yes, classing that as a load does make sense, I suppose. I have no idea about expedition trucks, I imagine they'll follow the same rules as the trucks they are based on, many being over 7.5 T.
I just take the easy way out and keep under 3.5T, lol :)
 
steco1958 said:
My MH was initially HGV, I had it reclassified as a PHGV, and drive accordingly
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As was mine but it made no difference to the speed limits. Mine is over the 3050kg limit and as such the lower speed limits still apply. 50mph on a single and 60 mph on the dual.
That said in the last 5 years of motoring i have never recieved a speeding ticket for going through gatso's on the opposite side of the road(facing me) doing 60mph on a single and 70mph on a dual.
Maybe i have just been lucky but i suspect the gatso's can't tell the difference.
 
Harmergeddon said:
As was mine but it made no difference to the speed limits. Mine is over the 3050kg limit and as such the lower speed limits still apply. 50mph on a single and 60 mph on the dual.
That said in the last 5 years of motoring i have never recieved a speeding ticket for going through gatso's on the opposite side of the road(facing me) doing 60mph on a single and 70mph on a dual.
Maybe i have just been lucky but i suspect the gatso's can't tell the difference.
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Same here, but it did make a difference with excise duty, over £50 per annum :cool1:
 
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not sure if you have seen this latest update pic mark
progress is going ok with it still trying to find the last leak before i cover the roof sides with galv steel and then when the warmer weathe arives hand paint the whole thing, not sure of colour yet, re the inside i keep adapting things esp now it need to sleep not just myself but my gf and her 6 year old that pic was taken at 6 marches near moggs head nr mablethorpe last week end
 
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