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does any one know what weight I can carry on a scooter rack on a fiat Apache 634L 2008 and also what is the best scooter to buy any help would be grateful as im a newbie
 
Can't help you with the weight but as regarding projection. Within the UK a rear projection of 1 metre or under does not need to be marked between 1 & 2 metres it needs to be made visible and above 2 metres it needs a marker board see Transports Friend - Abnormal Load Projection I can't imagine you will be needing a marker unless you mount it lengthways. I'll leave others to tell you whether you need a plastic or alloy square board dependent on where in Europe you are going or you may find the info by looking at previous threads.

what is the best scooter to buy any help would be grateful as im a newbie
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Newbie to motorhomes, scooters or both? I'm presuming both.
What will be best depends a lot on what you want. My one golden rule would be DO NOT BUY A MOPED even if you are 5' 1" and weigh 7 stone you will be limited to just over 30mph. You tend to become gutter trash and vulnerable , then with any road with over a 30 limit becoming positively frightening. If you are of any size or weight these machines while never being funny become even less so. Though some do ride these and are happy so what do I know. If you passed your car test before 1st Feb 2001 this is the only thing you can ride without taking a CBT. It's not worth it because as said previously mopeds are horrendous and even the worst CBT is better than no training.

Scooters come in all shapes and sizes. I'm really a motorcyclist so we have one or two issues with the small wheels being less gyroscopically stable and the fact that your feet are in front but as a newbie you won't know any better sorry different and all will be good.
See if you can get a free 1 hour or 2 hour taster at any training centre before your CBT. The bad bit is at the end of two hours you may well be thinking this is not for you, "I'm not confident with this", "I don't like this" or just "Help mummy" This is normal, man up! The advantage is if you have done this once or better still as a major freeloader 2 or more times it prepares you for your CBT. The CBT is not a test but a certificate of basic training at the end of it you should be confident (ish) and have certain basic skills and knowledge. It is not supposed to be time sensitive if there are issues it should not be problem for you to come back the next day.... and the ne..... In reality it's priced cheaply and you ain't going to be confident within a day. Some advocate doing a full direct access all in one. I've seen some former Direct Access riders who bought 600s as a first bike and just intimidated themselves. You only want a scooter so Direct Access might be suitable but six months bike time before a test makes the test far easier.
The smallest lightest scooter will be easiest to load on the camper but super scooters are very practical with spaces for shopping and an open face helmet sometimes even space for a full face one.
There will be a range of power outputs, up to 15BHP on an L plate is legal and scooters with close to this power output being quite useful. It will take a passenger once you have passed your test.
It might sound helpful to say to try a CBT centre with a few different bikes so you can see what you like but unless you are a prodigious talent you wouldn't be able to judge.
For a first scooter I'd buy something cheap enough to able to throw it down the road. That doesn't sound positive does it? It's still true though. Also 125's are the biggest bikes you can still buy as 2 strokes as against 4 strokes. 2 strokes are a lot more easy and tractable to ride as small single cylinder bikes but you will get by with whatever.
Though I said buy cheap don't buy a Chinese bike unless someone who really knows their stuff knows a good one. They are generally carp with no spares backup.
 
Any Honda 125 with almost any mileage as long as it's been serviced they are almost indestructible.
 
I have a honda vision110, started out as a 50cc a and was fine with just me on board but with the missus it was a bit slow up hills but still good for 40mph+ with a variator kit,
Anyway I up the engine to 110cc and very pleased with its performance and economy, it weighs just over 100kg and fits into the garage neatly, it has large wheels and great suspension that soak up the state of ours roads without a problem, IMHO well worth having , you can fit two full face helmets with waterproofs and gloves into the top box and under seat box with room to spare,
 
barrybd said:
does any one know what weight I can carry on a scooter rack on a fiat Apache 634L 2008 and also what is the best scooter to buy any help would be grateful as im a newbie
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You'll need to take your van to a public weight bridge first loaded as you intend to travel
How to calculate your motorhome's safe weight limits » Caravan Guard Blog explains about weight distribution

Motorhome Axle Load Calculation Form : Online Axle Load Calculation : Watling Engineers UK here is a form to fill in and they'll tell you what weight you can carry on the rear I used it and found I couldn't carry anything once motorhome was loaded
 
Tow Itch said:
Can't help you with the weight but as regarding projection. Within the UK a rear projection of 1 metre or under does not need to be marked between 1 & 2 metres it needs to be made visible and above 2 metres it needs a marker board see Transports Friend - Abnormal Load Projection I can't imagine you will be needing a marker unless you mount it lengthways. I'll leave others to tell you whether you need a plastic or alloy square board dependent on where in Europe you are going or you may find the info by looking at previous threads.

Newbie to motorhomes, scooters or both? I'm presuming both.
What will be best depends a lot on what you want. My one golden rule would be DO NOT BUY A MOPED even if you are 5' 1" and weigh 7 stone you will be limited to just over 30mph. You tend to become gutter trash and vulnerable , then with any road with over a 30 limit becoming positively frightening. If you are of any size or weight these machines while never being funny become even less so. Though some do ride these and are happy so what do I know. If you passed your car test before 1st Feb 2001 this is the only thing you can ride without taking a CBT. It's not worth it because as said previously mopeds are horrendous and even the worst CBT is better than no training.

Scooters come in all shapes and sizes. I'm really a motorcyclist so we have one or two issues with the small wheels being less gyroscopically stable and the fact that your feet are in front but as a newbie you won't know any better sorry different and all will be good.
See if you can get a free 1 hour or 2 hour taster at any training centre before your CBT. The bad bit is at the end of two hours you may well be thinking this is not for you, "I'm not confident with this", "I don't like this" or just "Help mummy" This is normal, man up! The advantage is if you have done this once or better still as a major freeloader 2 or more times it prepares you for your CBT. The CBT is not a test but a certificate of basic training at the end of it you should be confident (ish) and have certain basic skills and knowledge. It is not supposed to be time sensitive if there are issues it should not be problem for you to come back the next day.... and the ne..... In reality it's priced cheaply and you ain't going to be confident within a day. Some advocate doing a full direct access all in one. I've seen some former Direct Access riders who bought 600s as a first bike and just intimidated themselves. You only want a scooter so Direct Access might be suitable but six months bike time before a test makes the test far easier.
The smallest lightest scooter will be easiest to load on the camper but super scooters are very practical with spaces for shopping and an open face helmet sometimes even space for a full face one.
There will be a range of power outputs, up to 15BHP on an L plate is legal and scooters with close to this power output being quite useful. It will take a passenger once you have passed your test.
It might sound helpful to say to try a CBT centre with a few different bikes so you can see what you like but unless you are a prodigious talent you wouldn't be able to judge.
For a first scooter I'd buy something cheap enough to able to throw it down the road. That doesn't sound positive does it? It's still true though. Also 125's are the biggest bikes you can still buy as 2 strokes as against 4 strokes. 2 strokes are a lot more easy and tractable to ride as small single cylinder bikes but you will get by with whatever.
Though I said buy cheap don't buy a Chinese bike unless someone who really knows their stuff knows a good one. They are generally carp with no spares backup.
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thanks for the reply but I have already got a gilera runner 125 4 stroke don't need a cbt as I have a full motorbike licence just wondered if this would be to heavy to carry on the back it weighs 130 kg
 
barrybd said:
thanks for the reply but I have already got a gilera runner 125 4 stroke don't need a cbt as I have a full motorbike licence just wondered if this would be to heavy to carry on the back it weighs 130 kg
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That's going to be close, I have a calculater in excel however can not insert file as not a full member.

Weight Calculator for Bike Racks

D = A x C ÷ B


A Weight of Bike and Rack
B Wheelbase (Measure from centres of Front to Rear wheels)
C Distance to Centre of Rack from FW centre
D Load on rear axle
 
Just take care where you get the scooter rack from I got one from the UK sent over and found out when i went to get it approved for my motor they would not do it because of the bad constriction gave it to a mate and the 2nd time he used it the rack snapped.:wave:
 
kenspain said:
This mob were a reputable supplier so they said many of you have used them 3 months it took to get here even friends on this site phone them and were told a lot of lies only after i threaten to take them to court they sent it one box with 6 pieces of metal no fixing bolts and also the wrong rack.
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Can only speak of my experiences, I have not had issues, even when I needed advise was always there on the phone.

Found them thoroughly professional and helpful.
 
steco1958 said:
Can only speak of my experiences, I have not had issues, even when I needed advise was always there on the phone.

Found them thoroughly professional and helpful.
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and who might they have been:wave:
 
well i thought it might have just been me having problems with them because i lived over here but then on other sites i found that a lot had issue with then but never mind found a lot better over there. Also thats not the company i used.
 
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Ken,

I don't think you actually mentioned the company you used
 
kenspain said:
Just take care where you get the scooter rack from I got one from the UK sent over and found out when i went to get it approved for my motor they would not do it because of the bad constriction gave it to a mate and the 2nd time he used it the rack snapped.:wave:
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I bet it was towtaly knackered then Ken.

John.
 
Try having a look at this one , Easy-Lifter Hydra Trail - Tel: 01509 268400 - £1195.00 Inc VAT. , it can carry bikes up to 250kg with very little weight transfer on to the van , not cheap but very well put together and talking to two different users both very happy and able to take bigger proper bikes one had a Ducati the other a Triumph rather than scooters and have seen one with a Harley on but we won't go there ha ha ha
 
Anne Daynes said:
Try having a look at this one , Easy-Lifter Hydra Trail - Tel: 01509 268400 - £1195.00 Inc VAT. , it can carry bikes up to 250kg with very little weight transfer on to the van , not cheap but very well put together and talking to two different users both very happy and able to take bigger proper bikes one had a Ducati the other a Triumph rather than scooters and have seen one with a Harley on but we won't go there ha ha ha
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Expensive !!! your not joking!!

Also no good if your towing something else such as a boat.
 
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