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well let see if we can figure out where you should put it as you will have lot of junk underneath the van
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Aladdinsane
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Report me for what? My comments are based on heath and safety issues. If you disagree with them then that is your prerogative. They are not defamatory in any way. Many people read this forum and may have been tempted to use improper equipment in their vans. I have just pointed out the folly in doing so. You may be well aware of the implications of such use but others may not. As for my last post do you disagree with my general point?
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I give up! Anyone else want to have a go? I presume that if as others are allowed to post negative critical opinions then I am too. After all, that is exactly what all this thread is, just opinions (apart from the factual info posted by Churchie - thank you for that, btw). And those of you who know me, know that it's not often I do that, but like most people, sometimes I'm just pushed tooooooo far and when someone ignores polite requests, what is the next step? I could have kept quiet and just reported posts without anyone knowing, would that be better?
I'm very very lucky to have some very good friends on this forum who behind the scenes have gone a long long way to help me and that has restored my faith in people and made me realise that there really are some decent folk around who don't just sit there offering negative criticism but who go out of their way to actively help me solve the problem in the first place. They know who they are and they are on my "People who I want to thank in person" list, and are people who I have genuine respect for because they have offered genuine advice, sometimes it may not be what I want to hear but it's constructive and helpful, not simply negative and belittling.
I'm very very lucky to have some very good friends on this forum who behind the scenes have gone a long long way to help me and that has restored my faith in people and made me realise that there really are some decent folk around who don't just sit there offering negative criticism but who go out of their way to actively help me solve the problem in the first place. They know who they are and they are on my "People who I want to thank in person" list, and are people who I have genuine respect for because they have offered genuine advice, sometimes it may not be what I want to hear but it's constructive and helpful, not simply negative and belittling.
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I think the problem is that you have pointed it out several times whereas once would have been enough.
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It appears that this heater is not a good idea and I would suggest in addition you purchase a canary 
Aladdinsane
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Pointed out my concern to the original post then, advice given on cubic metres, concern regarding another option mentioned in a later post(similar type of outdoor heater) posted RE. manufacturers label, stating outdoors use only. Posted a couple of options for other heaters. Then I HAD to reply the the ridiculous post by Sean rua. Don't think I went over the top when safety is paramount.
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Well if this site is going to be all about health and safety I think I'll leave you to it. I have enough of that at work.
I was at a site last year on a red hot day and was made to wear a hard hat, goggles, boots, gloves and hi vis gear whilst unloading, I sweated so much that I was physically shaking by the time I had finished. But at least the bloke with the clip board could tick his boxes.
I was at a site last year on a red hot day and was made to wear a hard hat, goggles, boots, gloves and hi vis gear whilst unloading, I sweated so much that I was physically shaking by the time I had finished. But at least the bloke with the clip board could tick his boxes.
Aladdinsane
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I agree H/S has gone overboard but when it comes to gas appliances in small spaces, what would you do?
whitevanwoman
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Please could you close this thread as the original problem which was the reason for posting has now been resolved and so no further discussion is needed.
Thank you.
Please could you close this thread as the original problem which was the reason for posting has now been resolved and so no further discussion is needed.
Thank you.
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cuddling a canary won't keep you warm,they're not big enoughIt appears that this heater is not a good idea and I would suggest in addition you purchase a canary
sean rua
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I respect the wishes of the opening poster who, thankfully, has got her heater problem sorted.
However, those who say my posts were ridiculous might as well say that life is ridiculous, for
everything I said actually happened and I was there.
I have first-hand experience of all the incidents mentioned; I've prefaced everything with a warning for those who haven't a clue, so, imo, there is no problem.:rolleyes2:
Life isn't always just like it says in the textbook. We might as well say the game of rugby should be banned, even though some of its greatest exponents have been doctors and surgeons.
Good luck to ye all, and for the more adventurous, have a look at Ray Mears sitting by his woodburner in his tent ( on youtube).
He's not known as a far-out extremist, as far as I know.
Happy Christmas, Turkeys!
:rockroll::cool1::drive:sean rua.
Aladdinsane
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Sean rua, Quote
"Btw, if you get a blaze, cut the rubber tube with a sharp knife and drag/spin/roll the cylinder away. Then you can turn off the valve at you leisure, when you're out of harm's way".
This is your excellent advice?
And in your next post,
"I suppose I should have been more comprehensive when I said about cutting the tube.
If you fear ignition, then nip the tube first ( fold it over to kink and seal) with one hand, then slice through the tube between your hand and the fire.
We never used to bother too much with that as our priority was to get the cylinder away. Those cylinders cost money and the suppliers mightn't be too happy if they're sent back with the paint burnt off"
Then you say be safe!!
Oh and by the way Ray Mears has the flue OUTSIDE of his tent. No noxious gasses inside.
"Btw, if you get a blaze, cut the rubber tube with a sharp knife and drag/spin/roll the cylinder away. Then you can turn off the valve at you leisure, when you're out of harm's way".
This is your excellent advice?
And in your next post,
"I suppose I should have been more comprehensive when I said about cutting the tube.
If you fear ignition, then nip the tube first ( fold it over to kink and seal) with one hand, then slice through the tube between your hand and the fire.
We never used to bother too much with that as our priority was to get the cylinder away. Those cylinders cost money and the suppliers mightn't be too happy if they're sent back with the paint burnt off"
Then you say be safe!!
Oh and by the way Ray Mears has the flue OUTSIDE of his tent. No noxious gasses inside.
sean rua
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Sure, Alladin, I know Ray has the tube outside the tent; we discussed similar on the other thread that was about using a wood-burner.
I cannot see a problem there.
Venting the gas heater is no more a problem than is venting gas cookers in house kitchens, restaurant kitchens, and caravans. Where there's a will there's a way. Obviously, it's not for you, but I was talking about things that we've done for more than forty years.
When it comes to theory and knowledge of the law, I bow to your superior knowledge and make no bones about it.
When it comes to knowing what it's like to deal with a gas fire, then I know what we did, and I know what actually happened. If any man can close a wheel valve on a gas cylinder quicker than I nipped and cut that rubber tube, then I'd congratulate him. I know from experience that I never could, not even in my prime.
In some ways I'm rather surprised, for I thought that ye people who spent a long time in school would have learnt a bit about the old bunsen burner and how to deal with a blowback or fire in the tube.
Good luck to ye all and Happy Christmas!
I cannot see a problem there.
Venting the gas heater is no more a problem than is venting gas cookers in house kitchens, restaurant kitchens, and caravans. Where there's a will there's a way. Obviously, it's not for you, but I was talking about things that we've done for more than forty years.
When it comes to theory and knowledge of the law, I bow to your superior knowledge and make no bones about it.
When it comes to knowing what it's like to deal with a gas fire, then I know what we did, and I know what actually happened. If any man can close a wheel valve on a gas cylinder quicker than I nipped and cut that rubber tube, then I'd congratulate him. I know from experience that I never could, not even in my prime.
In some ways I'm rather surprised, for I thought that ye people who spent a long time in school would have learnt a bit about the old bunsen burner and how to deal with a blowback or fire in the tube.
Good luck to ye all and Happy Christmas!
Aladdinsane
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Yep we learned how to avoid it in the first place!Sure, Alladin, I know Ray has the tube outside the tent; we discussed similar on the other thread that was about using a wood-burner.
I cannot see a problem there.
Venting the gas heater is no more a problem than is venting gas cookers in house kitchens, restaurant kitchens, and caravans. Where there's a will there's a way. Obviously, it's not for you, but I was talking about things that we've done for more than forty years.
When it comes to theory and knowledge of the law, I bow to your superior knowledge and make no bones about it.
When it comes to knowing what it's like to deal with a gas fire, then I know what we did, and I know what actually happened. If any man can close a wheel valve on a gas cylinder quicker than I nipped and cut that rubber tube, then I'd congratulate him. I know from experience that I never could, not even in my prime.
In some ways I'm rather surprised, for I thought that ye people who spent a long time in school would have learnt a bit about the old bunsen burner and how to deal with a blowback or fire in the tube.
Good luck to ye all and Happy Christmas!
Aladdinsane
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Brrrrrr..... Who needs a gas fire to keep warm when we can all have a heated debate instead?!!
And please stop "rubbing Aladdin up the wrong way"!! (sorry Aladdin, but you DO have a magic lamp, and it IS panto season!)
Please be assured my lamp is powered by low voltage LED's Oh! yes it is!
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How many people die in gas fires every year?
How many people die of C0 poisoning every year?
How many people die of Hypothermia every Year?
I do not know the figures but I would bet money on Hypothermia being the bigger figure.
No death is acceptable so lets stop bickering and try and help each other.
Richard
How many people die of C0 poisoning every year?
How many people die of Hypothermia every Year?
I do not know the figures but I would bet money on Hypothermia being the bigger figure.
No death is acceptable so lets stop bickering and try and help each other.
Richard
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BBC News - Nicholas Holmes: Camper van death caused by barbecue
Shropshire campsite death: Girl, 14, killed in her tent by barbecue fumes | Mail Online
Barbecue fumes may have killed six-year-old girl - Telegraph
BBC News - Camping death caused by barbecue
Is that enough!
I am really sickend by SOME of the attitudes on here, the acknowledgment(like) of postings with irresponsible content is unbelievable.
In the end you can't put brains in turnips!
Shropshire campsite death: Girl, 14, killed in her tent by barbecue fumes | Mail Online
Barbecue fumes may have killed six-year-old girl - Telegraph
BBC News - Camping death caused by barbecue
Is that enough!
I am really sickend by SOME of the attitudes on here, the acknowledgment(like) of postings with irresponsible content is unbelievable.
In the end you can't put brains in turnips!
n brown
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seans right and his point may be being missed,life was a lot simpler before all the carefulness culture cut in and this little chat shows the changes.we just did things,didn't research them first,didn't care.some of it was totally irresponsible and we kind of knew it but still didn't care because we felt capable of handling it.
BUT on a forum like this i have to give advice bearing in mind that some people who may read it might never have done anything practical ever and take advice as gospel to be followed religiously word for word. which is kind of what forums are about. so everybody has a right to join in in their own way,keeps it colourful.
BUT on a forum like this i have to give advice bearing in mind that some people who may read it might never have done anything practical ever and take advice as gospel to be followed religiously word for word. which is kind of what forums are about. so everybody has a right to join in in their own way,keeps it colourful.
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To be fair, I HAVE heard of Shauns' method of cutting the hose to move a cylinder before. But I still say that it is too dangerous to recommend, and to be honest, I can't see a need to cut the hose without turning the cylinder valve off first.
IF you have time to move a gas cylinder SAFELY, then it only takes a couple of seconds to turn off the valve first. The time-consuming part would be trying to disconnect the cylinder from the regulator or manifold before moving it, but this is where you could save time by cutting the hose instead, but only AFTER the cylinder valve has been turned off.
There's a variety of factors to consider before deciding if it's safe to move a gas cylinder away from a fire area, so the best advice for the majority of people is not to even try it. Just get everyone away to a safe place and let somebody else deal with it!
IF you have time to move a gas cylinder SAFELY, then it only takes a couple of seconds to turn off the valve first. The time-consuming part would be trying to disconnect the cylinder from the regulator or manifold before moving it, but this is where you could save time by cutting the hose instead, but only AFTER the cylinder valve has been turned off.
There's a variety of factors to consider before deciding if it's safe to move a gas cylinder away from a fire area, so the best advice for the majority of people is not to even try it. Just get everyone away to a safe place and let somebody else deal with it!
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