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we aready have them they are called carparks .as an m1 category vehicle we can park anywhere a car can . we mustnt extend the size of the vehicle by awnings or steps etc that touch the floor or park on levelling devices etc . eu law as already been set, the precident as been made.
there is plenty of places to park . if you want to camp then use a camp site .
 
vwalan said:
we aready have them they are called carparks .as an m1 category vehicle we can park anywhere a car can . we mustnt extend the size of the vehicle by awnings or steps etc that touch the floor or park on levelling devices etc . eu law as already been set, the precident as been made.
there is plenty of places to park . if you want to camp then use a camp site .
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I have previously made this point, but the last time I stayed on a site during one of my photography outing, I was asked to leave after 2 nights, because I was disturbing the other campers starting my engine at 2:30 in the morning. Yes guilty as charged, so I like to park/overnight as close as possible to what I am going to photograph, that way I am not disturbing anyone when I leave at silly o'clock. That sometimes means that I am on the coastline, so I can cycle or walk to the location.

We all have our own reasons for wild camping, my definition of camping is staying more than one night in the same spot, but that point is very subjective I am sure it will raise a few comments.
 
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I always think with wild camping, up to two nghts is OK, because you are legally allowed to stay on land for up to two nights as a single unit, as an exemption to the oft quoted 1960 act.
 
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Firefox said:
I always think with wild camping, up to two nghts is OK, because you are legally allowed to stay on land for up to two nights as a single unit, as an exemption to the oft quoted 1960 act.
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....and if local authorities are worried about people staying too long they could easily do what the French, Spanish etc do in their most popular spots - limit stays to 24 or 48 hours. Simples!
 
Firefox said:
I always think with wild camping, up to two nghts is OK, because you are legally allowed to stay on land for up to two nights as a single unit, as an exemption to the oft quoted 1960 act.
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That is with the landowners permission and only 28 days in a year of habitation. How do you know that the number of days have not been exceeded? Do you ask the landowner for specific permission to park?

I also follow the same rule of one or two nights only, but in no way can we claim to be not causing a breach of the 1960 Act by the landowner.

Common land is owned by the commoners, it is not public land and even if unfenced it is an offence to drive a vehicle more than 15 yards onto it from the highway. Some roadside verges are common land, not part of the highway.

John
 
MATS said:
I say we all give the campsite mentioned a ring over the next few days and enquire about prices - then ask for a discount...ie haggle then say it is too much. I am serious about this = just do it please....we have a say on this and the more of us that ring, the more the message gets home.....

have fun
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There is such a thing Harassment in UK Law and this could be construed as being such - be very careful as websites are now being held responsible for what is posted
 
groyne said:
They tried this in Guisborough North Yorkshire but ended it after an 18 month trial showed only 2 Motorhomes used the parking spaces in that time. This is only what I read on Motorhome Friendly and Unfriendly Parking - Teesside/Cleveland and I don't know how much the parking cost.
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This was a Pay & Display car park. The council altered the meter so that overnight tickets could be issued. Only 2 users paid for their stay. How many others used the facility is not known. Many have the opinion that they will only pay if they are forced too or a caught not paying.

John
 
I was going to Cornwall in a few weeks and was going to this area so I emailed the site about pricing and what had been said by them concerning motorhomes parked up in the lay by, I got a reply from her stating that most of what had been said was taken out of context and that the BBC had hyped up the story for a better coverage as did the local papers. So do not alway take what you read as truth.
 
Tco said:
I would have thought that metering each and every electricity point would not be economically viable, even if it were within the law as it now (aparently) stands. I don't know about others on here but I tend to take an electric supply if one is available at a reasonable cost, but it is not imperative that I do so.
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I know a CL that has metered each pitch. He told me the meters cost him £25 each. I have seen vans on this site use £5 of electricity between tea time and the early hours of the morning when they ran out. My consumption was £1.20 per 24 hour day. Now that is a big difference.

He said it was either meter or put the price up for all users. He opted for meters others take the easier route of charging everyone for the high consumers amongst us.

John
 
daisymini said:
I don't know how many members on this site own a property with a piece of land but if they did couldn't some sort of club be set up for over nighting for members? If I had a piece of land i would be more than happy to offer and over night stop for any member. Surely it must be possible as our members are spread out all over the country. or am i being unrealistic?
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No you are not being unrealistic.

This forum is also an exempted organisation (club) under the Caravan Sites and Control of Development Act 1960. It is possible for Phil to apply for a paragraph 5 exemption to set up 5 van CL sites. Exempted sites do not have to take 5 vans they can be smaller but not larger, no matter how much land is available. The 28 day rule is a club rule by the CC & C&CC. The Motorcaravanners' Club do not impose this rule on their members and they allow non members to use their CL and nightstop (in conjunction with Practical Motorhome) sites.

We have expertise to set up and administer such sites. I know that this is possible as I have done this for 2 organisations myself. Another forum has para 5 as well as rally exemptions.

We need to work within the existing rules. The big clubs have influence on local authorities and Natural England so they will not promote aires, as these would be a conflict of interest for their commercial sites setup.

Over to you Phil

John
 
John Thompson said:
No you are not being unrealistic.

This forum is also an exempted organisation (club) under the Caravan Sites and Control of Development Act 1960. It is possible for Phil to apply for a paragraph 5 exemption to set up 5 van CL sites. Exempted sites do not have to take 5 vans they can be smaller but not larger, no matter how much land is available. The 28 day rule is a club rule by the CC & C&CC. The Motorcaravanners' Club do not impose this rule on their members and they allow non members to use their CL and nightstop (in conjunction with Practical Motorhome) sites.

We have expertise to set up and administer such sites. I know that this is possible as I have done this for 2 organisations myself. Another forum has para 5 as well as rally exemptions.

We need to work within the existing rules. The big clubs have influence on local authorities and Natural England so they will not promote aires, as these would be a conflict of interest for their commercial sites setup.

Over to you Phil

John
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It was difficult enough to get a Paragraph 6 for England, will still have not had them granted for Wales or Scotland. After the first year I will be able to provide a list of sites that we have used and then apply for paragraph 4 and 5 if needed.
 
BambiOwner said:
I was going to Cornwall in a few weeks and was going to this area so I emailed the site about pricing and what had been said by them concerning motorhomes parked up in the lay by, I got a reply from her stating that most of what had been said was taken out of context and that the BBC had hyped up the story for a better coverage as did the local papers. So do not alway take what you read as truth.
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I remember being told an old press addage. "Don't let the truth get in the way of a good story"

John
 
Phil said:
It was difficult enough to get a Paragraph 6 for England, will still have not had them granted for Wales or Scotland. After the first year I will be able to provide a list of sites that we have used and then apply for paragraph 4 and 5 if needed.
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Nice one! well done, Phil.

BTW, is it possible for us to approach the CC or CCC etc to see if we can "affiliate" in some way? I can't see the benefit to them tho, which would be a bit of a sticking point! :eek:
 
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