Ribblehead

[whitevanwoman]

winds change due to the sun rising but esp gping down, where the cooler air meets the warm as the sun loses power, but then on coasts etc directions of water and temps plays a big thing. but its why gliders are best in the morning and late afternoon for thermals.

Except in Shap and surrounding 10 mile radius where we have our own micro-climate and normal meteological rules don't apply. The fells have a massive impact on weather, and the valleys (like the M6 corridor) act like wind funnels. And I haven't seen the sun for about 2 weeks now, in fact some days its hard to tell whether its daytime or night-time.

 

[cooljules]

Except in Shap and surrounding 10 mile radius where we have our own micro-climate and normal meteological rules don't apply. The fells have a massive impact on weather, and the valleys (like the M6 corridor) act like wind funnels. And I haven't seen the sun for about 2 weeks now, in fact some days its hard to tell whether its daytime or night-time.

ah ok i didnt know where you were but yeah fells and large ridges can turn things upside down!

hope to see you fri when we arrive and if you do decide to drive, have a safe journey

 

[whitevanwoman]

I'll be there at some point before NY, probably thurs eve, maybe friday.

Just had a text message from Jen, "Old man just rear ended me" - I have tried phoning her but no answer, sent txt, waiting to hear back
:mad2:

 

[cooljules]

I'll be there at some point before NY, probably thurs eve, maybe friday.

Just had a text message from Jen, "Old man just rear ended me" - I have tried phoning her but no answer, sent txt, waiting to hear back
:mad2:

i have her number, will fone her now

 

[cooljules]

JUST spoke to jen, shes pretty badly shook up, a old man went into her rear while she was stood at lights, he said he didnt see her (she says he was about 70/80) she can still drive it and got a witness. his car destroyed.

shes says all is ok, with dogs and still plans to be there.

told her i would let people know on here that shes ok just shook up

 

[whitevanwoman]

JUST spoke to jen, shes pretty badly shook up, a old man went into her rear while she was stood at lights, he said he didnt see her (she says he was about 70/80) she can still drive it and got a witness. his car destroyed.

shes says all is ok, with dogs and still plans to be there.

told her i would let people know on here that shes ok just shook up

Phew, thanks Jules, that's a relief.

Hopefully she will end up laughing as, if there is minor damage to the back of her van, she can put in an insurance claim on the old fella's insurance which might cover the cost of sorting out the damp problem and leaking window in the rear wall

I'll text her later, she can come up to my house for some TLC tonight if she needs it.

 

[lotty]

I spoke to Jen as well ealier, she said the van is quite badly damaged but drivable. She has no rear lights or indicators but said someone is going to lend her a light board so she can carry on! :bow:
The silly blokes car is a write off! plonka! How do you not see a 8m long Motorhome!!:mad1:
She is ok but her neck is painfull as she was at standstill with handbrake on when he hit!

Will post more if I hear off her

If you reading this Jen we all thinking of you and hope you make it to RH. Neil had a drill for xmas he will bring it with us, he's dying to screw something, :lol-049: :hammer:

Lotty

 

[Viktor]

Sounds like she was whiplashed, so should be in line for an injury claim there too. Her neck will be sore today. Glad she's otherwise ok.

If the old guy claims he didn't see her...I'll bet he shouldn't have been driving...sounds like his eyesight was not up to it...lots of old folks
on the road still who wouldn't pass competency tests...we've all experienced them.

 

[cooljules]

Phew, thanks Jules, that's a relief.

Hopefully she will end up laughing as, if there is minor damage to the back of her van, she can put in an insurance claim on the old fella's insurance which might cover the cost of sorting out the damp problem and leaking window in the rear wall

I'll text her later, she can come up to my house for some TLC tonight if she needs it.

i think the damp problem is due to her age...........thats what the tv adds say! ;-)

 

[cooljules]

Sounds like she was whiplashed, so should be in line for an injury claim there too. Her neck will be sore today. Glad she's otherwise ok.

If the old guy claims he didn't see her...I'll bet he shouldn't have been driving...sounds like his eyesight was not up to it...lots of old folks
on the road still who wouldn't pass competency tests...we've all experienced them.

yes, and can take a day or so to get worse...it could be bad by fri. hoping she pops off to the hosp as ok it should just be soft tissue damage, its always better to check.

she said the old man smelt of booze, but didnt fone the cops. i would have, even just cos he was 70+ and said he couldnt see a huge big camper! oh well at the time peoples minds are not with it, bet she was in shock....will hit her later tonight when shes sat doing nowt and it goes through her mind

 

[whitevanwoman]

i think the damp problem is due to her age...........thats what the tv adds say! ;-)

whose age, Jen's or the van's? :lol-053:

 

[cooljules]

whose age, Jen's or the van's? :lol-053:

jens, dont think you can get tenalady for vans hehe

 

[whitevanwoman]

yes, and can take a day or so to get worse...it could be bad by fri. hoping she pops off to the hosp as ok it should just be soft tissue damage, its always better to check.

she said the old man smelt of booze, but didnt fone the cops. i would have, even just cos he was 70+ and said he couldnt see a huge big camper! oh well at the time peoples minds are not with it, bet she was in shock....will hit her later tonight when shes sat doing nowt and it goes through her mind

Yeah, any neck injury should really be checked out, even if apparently minor, and without police being involved, she will need some proof of the accident to make any claim against the old fella (although I guess the state of his car will be proof enough) so it would be worth getting it recorded on medical records. At least there is a witness.

We might need to nag her to get her neck checked out over the next few days, she strikes me as the kind of person who won't make a fuss.

We've recently had to sell my mum's car (she turned 70 this year) and surrender her licence as she is diabetic, has just recovered from heart attack, kidney failure and pneumonia, and has high blood pressure and undeniable signs of early dementia, and her GP told her that he could see no reason why she couldn't drive!!!
Apart from anything, there is no way she could have managed to fill in the DVLA renewal form and attach all the various info without help. Mum knew she wasn't fit to drive but we were worried that she would forget and would go out in the car, or would forget to tax / insure it. We were worried sick not only about her but about the consequences on other drivers. It was very hard to do and took along of talking to finally get mum to get rid of the car (she kept forgetting that she had agreed to get rid of it). Let's hope that this accident will mean that the old man's family / GP etc will realise that it's probably time for him to surrender his licence, and that both he and Jen have had a very lucky escape - next time neither he or the other party involved might be so lucky.

 

[scampa]

When anyone tries to make a claim for whiplash injury etc., one of the main questions an insurance company will ask is something like "did the injured party seek medical attention?" (probably to help them tell the genuine claims from the false ones, or to try to reduce or avoid paying the claim).

More important than the insurance claim though, is to get an expert opinion for the sake of your own future health and fitness. As CJ says, injuries such as whiplash often take a few days to fully develop, so she should be persuaded (maybe even accompanied?) to pop in to a local A&E department.

It might be a good idea to also report the accident to the police, if only by a phone call, to make sure they have a record of it. If you do, remember to get an "incident log number" from them to pass to your insurance company. (your insurance company should advise you of all this).

I can understand people who may feel sympathy for the other driver, or not want to cause a fuss, but if he had been drinking and driving then he knew the risks he was taking with his own and other peoples' lives.

Hope everything turns out ok.

 

[lotty]

Yeah, any neck injury should really be checked out, even if apparently minor, and without police being involved, she will need some proof of the accident to make any claim against the old fella (although I guess the state of his car will be proof enough) so it would be worth getting it recorded on medical records. At least there is a witness.

We might need to nag her to get her neck checked out over the next few days, she strikes me as the kind of person who won't make a fuss.

We've recently had to sell my mum's car (she turned 70 this year) and surrender her licence as she is diabetic, has just recovered from heart attack, kidney failure and pneumonia, and has high blood pressure and undeniable signs of early dementia, and her GP told her that he could see no reason why she couldn't drive!!!
Apart from anything, there is no way she could have managed to fill in the DVLA renewal form and attach all the various info without help. Mum knew she wasn't fit to drive but we were worried that she would forget and would go out in the car, or would forget to tax / insure it. We were worried sick not only about her but about the consequences on other drivers. It was very hard to do and took along of talking to finally get mum to get rid of the car (she kept forgetting that she had agreed to get rid of it). Let's hope that this accident will mean that the old man's family / GP etc will realise that it's probably time for him to surrender his licence, and that both he and Jen have had a very lucky escape - next time neither he or the other party involved might be so lucky.

it does sometimes amaze me how ill you can be and still drive. Your mum has done the right thing if she feels unable to drive anymore. I can understand it must be a hard decision to make.
There was recently an elderly lady who drove past my friend on a roundabout driving THE WRONG WAY AROUND! It was a major roundabout too and you can imagine the other car drivers faces! She was completely oblivious! :scared:

I agree with you WVW, we will have to make her get checked out, better safe than sorry plus it will help her claim if she wants to make one?

 

[Stacetop]

I hope all is well Jen!

It looks like we may try and join you all at ribblehead for the weekend. Sorry we may not be the most socialable (that's coz we have a young child and I'm a lightweight!). Hope there's enough room for one more at the quarry. It will be our first proper wild camp! Hope the van battery holds up.

 

[whitevanwoman]

it does sometimes amaze me how ill you can be and still drive. Your mum has done the right thing if she feels unable to drive anymore. I can understand it must be a hard decision to make.
There was recently an elderly lady who drove past my friend on a roundabout driving THE WRONG WAY AROUND! It was a major roundabout too and you can imagine the other car drivers faces! She was completely oblivious! :scared:

I think it was more family pressure that forced mum's hand, I'm not sure she really accepts that she's not fit to drive, sometimes she agreed she couldn't drive, but then the next day she'd forgotten she'd said that and couldn't remember agreeing to sell the car and accused us of bullying and plotting against her. She isn't accepting that there is anything wrong with her memory - apparently we keep hiding her things and moving things round - it's very hard to keep trying to remember that that is her "reality" and that it must be very scary for her.

But to the GP she appears fairly rational and coherent, unfortunately he doesn't realise that alot of what she says is not true, as it sounds quite plausible. Sadly in these situations, older people are reliant on family and friends to very patiently explain (over and over again) about the problems and to try to get the person to accept there is something wrong as the GP's "mini mental assessment" for dementia is absolutely pointless unless the dementia / memory problems are so advanced that it's probably too late to get any effective treatment.

There is no excuse for drinking and driving but if someone is unaware that their mental health is deteriorating, and that their short term memory is not functioning properly (mum frequently can't remember things she did earlier in the day or even a few hours ago but her long term memory is pretty sharp) there is simply not any way of helping them until something major happens which requires either some medical treatment or which triggers a Social Services assessment. I hope that when I start going doolally some kind person will do something to make sure that I am not a risk to myself or others.

Scampa is absolutely right in his advice - if we all nag at her, she is going to get so fed up with it that hopefully she'll get checked out just to keep us quiet.

 

[Viktor]

Whitevanwoman if you have a video recorder in your phone discreetly use it and video the conversation and then play it back to her later....of course she might forget you showed her the video after!!!....but it might work even just to reasure her you are not making things up or plotting against her.

 

[kellyjohn]

just to let you know i will be coming on my own shakey jakey has his spot in front of fire at at 14-15 the kids want him to stay with them and there mother sorry all dog owners old and new will tell all latercheers john

 

[lotty]

I think it was more family pressure that forced mum's hand, I'm not sure she really accepts that she's not fit to drive, sometimes she agreed she couldn't drive, but then the next day she'd forgotten she'd said that and couldn't remember agreeing to sell the car and accused us of bullying and plotting against her. She isn't accepting that there is anything wrong with her memory - apparently we keep hiding her things and moving things round - it's very hard to keep trying to remember that that is her "reality" and that it must be very scary for her.

But to the GP she appears fairly rational and coherent, unfortunately he doesn't realise that alot of what she says is not true, as it sounds quite plausible. Sadly in these situations, older people are reliant on family and friends to very patiently explain (over and over again) about the problems and to try to get the person to accept there is something wrong as the GP's "mini mental assessment" for dementia is absolutely pointless unless the dementia / memory problems are so advanced that it's probably too late to get any effective treatment.

There is no excuse for drinking and driving but if someone is unaware that their mental health is deteriorating, and that their short term memory is not functioning properly (mum frequently can't remember things she did earlier in the day or even a few hours ago but her long term memory is pretty sharp) there is simply not any way of helping them until something major happens which requires either some medical treatment or which triggers a Social Services assessment. I hope that when I start going doolally some kind person will do something to make sure that I am not a risk to myself or others.

Scampa is absolutely right in his advice - if we all nag at her, she is going to get so fed up with it that hopefully she'll get checked out just to keep us quiet.

I know what you are going through, my Nan had dementia. My mum, Aunti and Uncle had regular arguments with the hospital and doctors over her treatment and trying to get her the help she needed. (she was also bedridden due to a fall where she broke her leg and it was not fixed right and left her in a wheel chair!) that's another story!
xx