One in the eye for parking companies?

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YouTube just served up the linked video. It seems that in at least one case, a parking company were represented by someone not strictly entitled to fulfil that role and the judge banned that person from acting. The repercussions might mean that parking companies now have to instruct properly qualified representatives or appear themselves; either way involving significant additional costs that (because it's a small claim) they cannot recover from their 'victims'.

 
My son in law received a demand for a parking fine yesterday - even though he had bought and displayed a ticket on the day in question.

The letter stated that if it was payed within 20 days of the offence (24th December) then it would be £60 instead of £100, obviously because it was Christmas there was a delay with the letter arriving and the deadline expires today. He intends to pay the fine even though he has done nothing wrong he said there is just no time to argue it and will probably end up with the bigger fine otherwise.

It was a cash transaction for the ticket so he has no proof that he purchased it although he can clearly remember buying it and removing it from the windscreen later that day.

It makes me wonder if the wardens are on commission for offences reported and they just take a chance on reporting people who have tickets and hoping that like my son in law they won't bother to contest it? Would there be photographic evidence to be made available?
 
My take is that if it’s a private parking company, and not an “old fashioned” legit parking ticket issued by “old fashioned” publicly-paid parking wardens, chances of it ending up in court are pretty much slim to zero.

I wouldn’t lose any sleep over, that’s for sure. Life’s too short (for me at least) to be worrying about these minor irritations.

I also reckon the thing that most people will feel threatened/bullied by (and therefore don’t bother contesting and just pay up for an easy life) is the potential outcome of non-payment of the fine itself. This is the main “bogeyman” threat used by these private companies telling folk they’ll get a “black mark” affecting their “credit score”, which I reckon must be a humongous chunk of the population these days, making it a highly effective modern-day weapon to get people to pay up, even when the circumstances of any fine are highly questionable.

If it’s a legit parking ticket, i.e. issued under a TRO or under Highway Code rules and not on some privately owned and managed land used for parking, then you can still contest it, but only if you can provide evidence to back yourself up. As it appears to be the case that your sil would find that a little more difficult (paid cash, no ticket retained as evidence) then it will be easier to just pay up and put it down to experience - and to remember to hang onto any physical tickets for a few weeks if parking in the same way in the future just in case 🤷‍♀️
 
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AFAICT, the situation is thus:
  1. A private parking company considers that you have somehow breached the terms and conditions of the contract between you and them (by parking without paying, entering the wrong registration number, etc.);
  2. They pay DVLA to disclose the details of the registered keeper;
  3. They send a demand to the RK for payment under their T&Cs;
  4. If you don't pay up, the case may well end up in court;
  5. If you don't turn up or lose, judgement is made against you;
  6. They are then in a position to instruct bailiffs if you don't pay, and it gets very expensive...
However, if you turn up in court and argue that you paid (and produce the ticket or other evidence) or they cannot produce evidence that you actually parked and entered into the contract (e.g. in one case where the motorists got out, checked the T&Cs displayed, rejected the T&Cs and left but still got a parking charge notice), there's a good chance that the case will be found in your favour. Unfortunately, even though it might have cost you more than the PCN fee to defend the case, it's a small claim and you cannot recover your costs. Until now, this has been a twist of law that created bias in favour of the parking companies. It was in their interest to pursue cases in court because of the deterrent it created and the lose/lose nature of the system from the motorist's POV. However, the case in the video potentially changes this. The law only allows parking companies to charge a maximum of £100, which is way less than the fee they must pay a fully qualified solicitor or other lawfully entitled representative, and so they'd been represented by 'solicitors agents' -- people not fully qualified and consequently commanding a lower fee. In the case in question, the judge deemed the agent had no 'right of audience' and hence (legally) the parking company was unrepresented. So people can now turn up in court and question the credentials of their adversary in court and the case may well get thrown out on that technicality (i.e. they failed to appear in the eyes of the law and so the case is found in your favour by default). IOW and AIUI, this case seriously undermines the entire business model of these parking companies!
 
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I’d dearly like to see a verified list of all previous court cases.

The ridiculous nature of the onus being on the person parking on the occasions when it is the parking companies own systems (or staff) that are deficient is the main thing that would bug me.

Bit of an OTT comparison, but there were a fair few people wrongly accused at the post office because of “systems” that weren’t fit for purpose. 🤷‍♀️

Personally, I am increasigly very wary about where I choose to park these days, no matter whether car or camper.

99% of the time there isn’t a problem.
 
AFAICT, the situation is thus:
  1. A private parking company considers that you have somehow breached the terms and conditions of the contract between you and them (by parking without paying, entering the wrong registration number, etc.);
  2. They pay DVLA to disclose the details of the registered keeper;
  3. They send a demand for payment under the T&Cs of the car park;
  4. If you don't pay up, the case ends up in court;
  5. If you don't turn up or lose, judgement is made against you;

Pretty much how I see it as well Geoff.

And if they are a member of the BPA (which these are) their case is strengthened and you will have entered the contract you mentioned with them when you parked.

The "black mark" which Marie mentioned would be a CCJ and unfortunately that is quite a powerful weapon, It wouldn't bother me but younger people would not want it.

He (and we) will always hang on to our purchased tickets in future and as I said it's just another hassle they could do without at the moment.
 
Apologies to @Robmac and @mariesnowgoose -- another system let me down (the forum software). I tried to get a new line in one of the list items in my previous post (#8) and the wretched system 'submitted' the post before it was complete... It appears that [Ctrl+Enter] causes your post to be submitted rather than giving you a new line in a list item :rolleyes:
 
Hang on a minute though. Surely the car park company has to have evidence that he had no ticket. As he had a ticket and it was on display tell them to provide the evidence that he didn't have one and if they don't have your day in court. Surely they will have to prove he didn't have one. They can't just willy nilly accuse people of not paying without evidence.
 
Hang on a minute though. Surely the car park company has to have evidence that he had no ticket. As he had a ticket and it was on display tell them to provide the evidence that he didn't have one and if they don't have your day in court. Surely they will have to prove he didn't have one. They can't just willy nilly accuse people of not paying without evidence.
I suspect it doesn't work that way. All they need do is show that the vehicle was parked there and that the driver had thus implicitly accepted the T&Cs -- it's then up to the motorist to show that they met the T&Cs of the contract (i.e. paid and displayed, etc.) I suspect that they will have photographic evidence that places the car in the car park at the time...

That said, ISTR that the contract is between the parking company and the driver not the registered keeper, and so it should be sufficient for the RK to say that they were not the person who parked the vehicle. Unfortunately, Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 changes this and allows parking companies to go after the RK where the RK does not identify the driver.
 
Hang on a minute though. Surely the car park company has to have evidence that he had no ticket. As he had a ticket and it was on display tell them to provide the evidence that he didn't have one and if they don't have your day in court. Surely they will have to prove he didn't have one. They can't just willy nilly accuse people of not paying without evidence.

That's why I wondered if they would take a photo' through the windscreen to show it wasn't displayed Barry.
 
I generally prefer to buy parking through the app rather than cash for a ticket. Yes, you can pay a few pence more, but you get a good record of having paid.
The trouble is that there are so many different apps. You need one for each town, it seems like.
 
Liz got caught in a retail park a few years ago, entered, parked had coffee with her friends, left and had forgotten she needed something from one of the shops, entered parked, shopped and left, got a ticket as their T&C had a return time limits so they charged her for the first entry and the last exit, we ignored it and nothing happened fortunately.

And ALWAYS keep the windscreen parking slips
 
This is what ChatGPT says Rob. If its correct and its a council ticket then they have to prove he didn't have a ticket. If its private you might still have a case.

My friend got a parking fine recently but he insists he bought a ticket and displayed it. Do the parking companies or councils have to prove you didn't have a ticket or is the onus on you to prove you did have one?

In the UK the answer depends on who issued the notice and under what legislation it was issued. Here’s the breakdown:

🚧 1. Council-issued Penalty Charge Notice (PCN)

These are issued under statutory regulations (e.g., Traffic Management Act 2004), not contract law.

Burden of Proof

The council must show that the contravention occurred.
They usually do this by:
  • The Civil Enforcement Officer’s (CEO) notes
  • Photographs showing no ticket on display
  • A record of the CEO checking the dashboard/vehicle interior
If the council asserts that “no valid ticket was displayed,” they need to support this with evidence.

Your Friend’s Responsibility

Your friend then provides evidence to rebut it—usually:
  • A photo of the ticket (if kept)
  • The original ticket
  • Bank/transaction record if paying by machine/app
  • Any mitigating circumstances
If the ticket was displayed but fell off or flipped over, councils often still uphold the PCN unless the local authority has a discretionary policy.

🅿️ 2. Private Parking Charge (ParkingEye, UKPC, etc.)

These are NOT fines—they are invoices under contract law.

Burden of Proof

The operator must show, on the balance of probabilities, that:
  • The terms were breached
  • No valid ticket was purchased or displayed
They generally rely on:
  • ANPR logs showing no payment matched to the reg
  • Attendant notes/photos
  • System records from their payment machines

Your Friend’s Responsibility

Your friend can rebut this by:
  • Showing the original ticket
  • Providing payment proof
  • Explaining machine errors (if applicable)
If they paid but entered the wrong registration, many companies will cancel if evidence shows a matching timestamp and proof of payment.

⚖️ In summary

IssuerWho must prove the contravention?What you must show
CouncilCouncil must show you didn’t display a ticketProvide evidence you did or mitigating reasons
Private firmCompany must show a breach of contractProvide evidence of payment or error

If your friend still has the ticket or bank record, the case is much stronger.
If not, it becomes “balance of probabilities,” where councils tend to be stricter than private companies.

If you want, I can help draft an appeal letter tailored to council or private parking depending on which it was.

I think it was a cash payment and he no longer has the ticket. I suggested he asks for proof that no ticket was displayed

That’s a sensible approach—and it’s important to understand how that request is treated depending on who issued the notice. Here’s how it usually plays out:

✅ If it’s a Council PCN

Councils must base the PCN on evidence. You can absolutely ask for:
  • Photos taken by the Civil Enforcement Officer
  • The CEO’s notes (they must record what they saw)
These should show:
  • No ticket displayed
  • The dashboard/windscreen clearly visible
  • Time and location
If they cannot provide clear photos or their notes are poor, that strengthens the challenge.
Even without the ticket, it’s worth arguing that:
  • You bought a ticket in good faith
  • Paid cash
  • It must have blown off the dashboard, slipped, or wasn’t noticed
  • Their photos don’t prove it wasn’t displayed
Councils still often enforce “no display” strictly, but weak evidence can lead to cancellation, especially at the informal stage.

🅿️ If it’s a Private Parking Charge

Private operators must show the terms were breached on the balance of probabilities. You can ask for:
  • All evidence being relied on to support their claim
  • Camera logs or attendant photographs
  • Payment machine audit records for that period
Many private firms rely only on ANPR showing no payment matched to the registration, but cash payments without entering registration complicate things—they can’t match it digitally.
If they cannot show:
  • A clear photo of no ticket displayed
  • An attendant record
  • Payment machine logs showing no purchase
…then their claim of “no valid ticket” becomes weaker.

❗ Important nuance​

Your friend’s request for “proof no ticket was displayed” is logically fair, but parking bodies often reverse the burden in practice. They say:
“The onus is on the driver to ensure the ticket is displayed and retained for evidence.”
But legally, they must still justify issuing the charge in the first place.

✔️ What your friend can do now

Even without the ticket:
  1. Request the photographic evidence they relied on
  2. Request CEO/attendant notes
  3. Ask for a machine audit (private parking)
  4. State that a cash ticket was purchased and displayed
  5. Point out any unclear or inconclusive evidence they provide
If this goes to independent appeal:
  • Council → Traffic Penalty Tribunal or London Tribunals
  • Private → POPLA or IAS (depending on operator; IAS is trickier)
The adjudicators focus on evidence quality, not assumptions.
 
My son in law received a demand for a parking fine yesterday - even though he had bought and displayed a ticket on the day in question.

The letter stated that if it was payed within 20 days of the offence (24th December) then it would be £60 instead of £100, obviously because it was Christmas there was a delay with the letter arriving and the deadline expires today. He intends to pay the fine even though he has done nothing wrong he said there is just no time to argue it and will probably end up with the bigger fine otherwise.

It was a cash transaction for the ticket so he has no proof that he purchased it although he can clearly remember buying it and removing it from the windscreen later that day.

It makes me wonder if the wardens are on commission for offences reported and they just take a chance on reporting people who have tickets and hoping that like my son in law they won't bother to contest it? Would there be photographic evidence to be made available?
Dull one for your SiL Rob. Reading this thread it would be good future practice to keep hold of the cash paid ticket, for possible future evidence. Just a piece of paper that get binned say 4 month later.

Edit: also aa phone photo of ticket displayed within the locked vehicle.
 
This is what ChatGPT says Rob. If its correct and its a council ticket then they have to prove he didn't have a ticket. If its private you might still have a case.

My friend got a parking fine recently but he insists he bought a ticket and displayed it. Do the parking companies or councils have to prove you didn't have a ticket or is the onus on you to prove you did have one?

In the UK the answer depends on who issued the notice and under what legislation it was issued. Here’s the breakdown:

🚧 1. Council-issued Penalty Charge Notice (PCN)

These are issued under statutory regulations (e.g., Traffic Management Act 2004), not contract law.

Burden of Proof

The council must show that the contravention occurred.
They usually do this by:
  • The Civil Enforcement Officer’s (CEO) notes
  • Photographs showing no ticket on display
  • A record of the CEO checking the dashboard/vehicle interior
If the council asserts that “no valid ticket was displayed,” they need to support this with evidence.

Your Friend’s Responsibility

Your friend then provides evidence to rebut it—usually:
  • A photo of the ticket (if kept)
  • The original ticket
  • Bank/transaction record if paying by machine/app
  • Any mitigating circumstances
If the ticket was displayed but fell off or flipped over, councils often still uphold the PCN unless the local authority has a discretionary policy.

🅿️ 2. Private Parking Charge (ParkingEye, UKPC, etc.)

These are NOT fines—they are invoices under contract law.

Burden of Proof

The operator must show, on the balance of probabilities, that:
  • The terms were breached
  • No valid ticket was purchased or displayed
They generally rely on:
  • ANPR logs showing no payment matched to the reg
  • Attendant notes/photos
  • System records from their payment machines

Your Friend’s Responsibility

Your friend can rebut this by:
  • Showing the original ticket
  • Providing payment proof
  • Explaining machine errors (if applicable)
If they paid but entered the wrong registration, many companies will cancel if evidence shows a matching timestamp and proof of payment.

⚖️ In summary

IssuerWho must prove the contravention?What you must show
CouncilCouncil must show you didn’t display a ticketProvide evidence you did or mitigating reasons
Private firmCompany must show a breach of contractProvide evidence of payment or error

If your friend still has the ticket or bank record, the case is much stronger.
If not, it becomes “balance of probabilities,” where councils tend to be stricter than private companies.

If you want, I can help draft an appeal letter tailored to council or private parking depending on which it was.

I think it was a cash payment and he no longer has the ticket. I suggested he asks for proof that no ticket was displayed

That’s a sensible approach—and it’s important to understand how that request is treated depending on who issued the notice. Here’s how it usually plays out:

✅ If it’s a Council PCN

Councils must base the PCN on evidence. You can absolutely ask for:
  • Photos taken by the Civil Enforcement Officer
  • The CEO’s notes (they must record what they saw)
These should show:
  • No ticket displayed
  • The dashboard/windscreen clearly visible
  • Time and location
If they cannot provide clear photos or their notes are poor, that strengthens the challenge.
Even without the ticket, it’s worth arguing that:
  • You bought a ticket in good faith
  • Paid cash
  • It must have blown off the dashboard, slipped, or wasn’t noticed
  • Their photos don’t prove it wasn’t displayed
Councils still often enforce “no display” strictly, but weak evidence can lead to cancellation, especially at the informal stage.

🅿️ If it’s a Private Parking Charge

Private operators must show the terms were breached on the balance of probabilities. You can ask for:
  • All evidence being relied on to support their claim
  • Camera logs or attendant photographs
  • Payment machine audit records for that period
Many private firms rely only on ANPR showing no payment matched to the registration, but cash payments without entering registration complicate things—they can’t match it digitally.
If they cannot show:
  • A clear photo of no ticket displayed
  • An attendant record
  • Payment machine logs showing no purchase
…then their claim of “no valid ticket” becomes weaker.

❗ Important nuance​

Your friend’s request for “proof no ticket was displayed” is logically fair, but parking bodies often reverse the burden in practice. They say:

But legally, they must still justify issuing the charge in the first place.

✔️ What your friend can do now

Even without the ticket:
  1. Request the photographic evidence they relied on
  2. Request CEO/attendant notes
  3. Ask for a machine audit (private parking)
  4. State that a cash ticket was purchased and displayed
  5. Point out any unclear or inconclusive evidence they provide
If this goes to independent appeal:
  • Council → Traffic Penalty Tribunal or London Tribunals
  • Private → POPLA or IAS (depending on operator; IAS is trickier)
The adjudicators focus on evidence quality, not assumptions.

Thanks Barry. Unfortunately he has paid it now and also unfortunately Julie has used the letter he received as part of the scrap paper to light the log burner last night!

Apparently the parking company were Napier Parking who have a terrible reputation locally for issuing fines at the drop of a hat the usual reason being for taking too long to pay at the machine due to the machines being faulty.

We very rarely use that car park and certainly won't again. He would appeal but he's got too much on his plate at the moment.
 
We got a parking fine a while back and payed even though I know we had a correct ticket for the correct length of time so now when I park on payed parking I take a photo of the ticket and another of the windscreen yes they can argue that it’s not my ticket but I feel it goes partway into some sort of proof should they try it on.
 
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