Ducato oil sump rust problem

Alshymer

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Hi
I have just had my Ducato 2017 serviced today and my mechanic says that I should prepare myself for a new oil sump as the current one is rusting through!!
Has anyone else had this problem previously?
Most of its life the van has been in France in a drier climate than in UK!
 
I've had that happen on my Ranger and found the pattern replacement was made from a heavier gauge material. I have coated the sump on my motorhome with lanoguard.
 
Sadly most ducato motorhomes don’t come with full width under trays and with the sump being the lowest part of the engine it’s susceptible to rust.
The corrosion being external, and Ducatos are well known for this.
Check if a full size under tray has been fitted, I doubt if it has.
If not I would fit one of these
Mines being a PVC has one fitted already.

 
Hi
I have just had my Ducato 2017 serviced today and my mechanic says that I should prepare myself for a new oil sump as the current one is rusting through!!
Has anyone else had this problem previously?
Most of its life the van has been in France in a drier climate than in UK!
Yup. It is not just a 'Ducato Thing'. I had my Ducato sump replaced a few years ago and had the same thing on a Toyota RAV4 10 years ago.
 
Either shotblast and galvo a new one or paint with expoxy zink rich 2 pack followed buy a coat of 2 pack polyurathane.
 
2 pack. 2 pack. 2 pack. Seems it's the answer to so many questions. I'm finally going to ask after all these years Trev. What's 2 pack?
 
2 pack. 2 pack. 2 pack. Seems it's the answer to so many questions. I'm finally going to ask after all these years Trev. What's 2 pack?
Base colour which must have a hardener added, norm 4 base to one hardener, all industrial jobs are done this way, bit like areldite of the paint world.
Some pics of my work.
WE did bike frames car wheels and household rads
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Strange as i had many brit bikes and they did not leak oil, esp after i rebuilt the engines using new seals and some mods.
And yes brit bikes went down the tubes once jap bikes got a foot hold and won many races to prove a point, british car industry went the same way.
 
Sadly most ducato motorhomes don’t come with full width under trays and with the sump being the lowest part of the engine it’s susceptible to rust.
The corrosion being external, and Ducatos are well known for this.
Check if a full size under tray has been fitted, I doubt if it has.
If not I would fit one of these
Mines being a PVC has one fitted already.

I often wondered why the middle section of under tray was never fitted and came to the conclusion maybe additional cooling to the engine.
 
Yes, my 2006 model Peugeot`s sump started to look very sorry for itself at 30,000 miles and whilst it had not rusted through i decided to change it before that happened.

Got a replacement on Ebay which came from Poland and delivered in 3 days and was much better quality and heavier than the original, i also went for the better gasket which was silicone rubber and metal at the same time.

Very simple job to change and it was good to see the condition of the bottom end which was like new with no sign of sludge / crud or metal bits anywhere but that was down to quality Castrol oil and Mann filters changed yearly and not the 2 yearly schedule that Peugeot stated, it also got an engine flush with Forte advanced formula engine flush every other year.

I`m not saying everyone should do it but this was my regime and i was happy to do it and kept the engine purring for the 103,000 miles that we put on it including lots of strenuous Pyrenean and Rhone Alps trips in hot weather.
 
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I often wondered why the middle section of under tray was never fitted and came to the conclusion maybe additional cooling to the engine.
Heat rises fitting a full size under tray improves engine cooling. Also most cars use them to protect the engine from road debris, to lower road noise, and to improve drag the coefficient which results in better fuel efficiency.

I found this online


Yes, an undertray can significantly impact engine cooling by directing airflow and creating a necessary low-pressure area under the car to draw hot air out of the engine bay. Without the undertray, the airflow pattern changes, potentially trapping hot air and hindering the radiator's ability to cool the engine, though some argue the effect is minimal.

How undertrays affect engine cooling
  • Directs airflow:
    The undertray channels air through the radiator and other engine bay components, rather than letting it escape chaotically.

  • Creates low pressure:
    By creating a sealed or semi-sealed space under the engine, the undertray encourages a low-pressure area beneath the car, which helps to suck hot air out of the engine bay and away from the radiator.

  • Improves radiator efficiency:
    The increased pressure difference across the radiator, thanks to the undertray, forces air through the radiator fins, improving its ability to dissipate engine heat.
Consequences of removing an undertray
  • Reduced cooling:
    The primary risk is the loss of this controlled airflow, which can lead to heat buildup in the engine bay and potentially affect engine performance.

  • Aerodynamic changes:
    Removing the tray can also alter the car's aerodynamics, creating unwanted lift and drag, which can impact fuel economy and stability.

  • Component protection:
    Undertrays also serve to protect sensitive components like the oil pan and transmission from road debris, water, and other hazards.
When it might be acceptable to drive without one
  • Temporary or specific conditions:
    Some argue that a short-term absence of an undertray is fine, especially in good weather conditions and on clean roads, particularly for a weekend car.

  • Aftermarket modifications:
    If you have an aftermarket radiator or other cooling system upgrades, the impact of removing a stock undertray might be lessened, though this isn't a guarantee.
In summary, while some may drive without an undertray without issues, it generally plays a crucial role in proper engine bay cooling and should be replaced if damaged.
 
Heat rises fitting a full size under tray improves engine cooling. Also most cars use them to protect the engine from road debris, to lower road noise, and to improve drag the coefficient which results in better fuel efficiency.

I found this online


Yes, an undertray can significantly impact engine cooling by directing airflow and creating a necessary low-pressure area under the car to draw hot air out of the engine bay. Without the undertray, the airflow pattern changes, potentially trapping hot air and hindering the radiator's ability to cool the engine, though some argue the effect is minimal.

How undertrays affect engine cooling
  • Directs airflow:
    The undertray channels air through the radiator and other engine bay components, rather than letting it escape chaotically.

  • Creates low pressure:
    By creating a sealed or semi-sealed space under the engine, the undertray encourages a low-pressure area beneath the car, which helps to suck hot air out of the engine bay and away from the radiator.

  • Improves radiator efficiency:
    The increased pressure difference across the radiator, thanks to the undertray, forces air through the radiator fins, improving its ability to dissipate engine heat.
Consequences of removing an undertray
  • Reduced cooling:
    The primary risk is the loss of this controlled airflow, which can lead to heat buildup in the engine bay and potentially affect engine performance.

  • Aerodynamic changes:
    Removing the tray can also alter the car's aerodynamics, creating unwanted lift and drag, which can impact fuel economy and stability.

  • Component protection:
    Undertrays also serve to protect sensitive components like the oil pan and transmission from road debris, water, and other hazards.
When it might be acceptable to drive without one
  • Temporary or specific conditions:
    Some argue that a short-term absence of an undertray is fine, especially in good weather conditions and on clean roads, particularly for a weekend car.

  • Aftermarket modifications:
    If you have an aftermarket radiator or other cooling system upgrades, the impact of removing a stock undertray might be lessened, though this isn't a guarantee.
In summary, while some may drive without an undertray without issues, it generally plays a crucial role in proper engine bay cooling and should be replaced if damaged.
I stand corrected. 😉😂
 
I had to replace my 2002 pan about 10 years ago (rough guess) after I noticed a few oil marks on the driveway, when I removed it I saw it was covered with tiny pinpricks, I have never had to replace a rusty one before but as others have already said the engines are completely oil tight, I have been used to engines that protect the chassis🥴
 
Yes, my 2006 model Peugeot`s sump started to look very sorry for itself at 30,000 miles and whilst it had not rusted through i decided to change it before that happened.

Got a replacement on Ebay which came from Poland and delivered in 3 days and was much better quality and heavier than the original, i also went for the better gasket which was silicone rubber and metal at the same time.

Very simple job to change and it was good to see the condition of the bottom end which was like new with no sign of sludge / crud or metal bits anywhere but that was down to quality Castrol oil and Mann filters changed yearly and not the 2 yearly schedule that Peugeot stated, it also got an engine flush with Forte advanced formula engine flush every other year.

I`m not saying everyone should do it but this was my regime and i was happy to do it and kept the engine purring for the 103,000 miles that we put on it including lots of strenuous Pyrenean and Rhone Alps trips in hot weather.
103.000 miles ,its a mere puppy.
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