Caravan Club 'Wines of the Loire' tour

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This is outrageous!

This trip is advertised in the Caravan and Mototrhome Club magazine. The cost, per person, based on two people using their own caravan or motorhome is £3,199 excluding ferry crossings etc. So a hair's breadth off £6,400.

What's included -
  • 16 nights on a Montsoreau campsite that we have used, it's nice enough but nothing special. At the dates of this particular tour, booking their premium sized pitch independently would cost you €427. For easy arithmetic, let's call that £400.
  • A Loire boat trip with wine tasting. Saumur is a bigg-ish town close by, the most expensive tour I can see from there is €95 pp, so let's say £180 for two. And you can bet the club will be able to negotiate a group rate.
  • A visit to the Forteresse Royale de Chinon. That's €10.50 pp, so a bit less than £20 but let's not quibble over the odds.
  • An unspecified number of visits to vineyards and wine tastings. These cost between nothing, and €55. So, if we said £50 per couple, visiting on seven of the fourteen days that are not already used up by other trips, that's another £350. You'd need to factor in transport to these places so let's round that up to £500, just to be generous.
That comes to £1,100 .

Some of the remaining £5,300 will be needed to pay tour guide staff, average salary for a tour guide in France is £23,014. That comes to about £500 per week, and I'm guessing there won't be wine tours every day - so over the fortnight, they probably do about a week's worth of hours at best.

If we say that salary is £500, that's a nice little £4,800 profit for the Caravan Club. If anyone is daft enough to pay for this.

Have I missed anything?
 
Jo001 said:
This is outrageous!

This trip is advertised in the Caravan and Mototrhome Club magazine. The cost, per person, based on two people using their own caravan or motorhome is £3,199 excluding ferry crossings etc. So a hair's breadth off £6,400.

What's included -
  • 16 nights on a Montsoreau campsite that we have used, it's nice enough but nothing special. At the dates of this particular tour, booking their premium sized pitch independently would cost you €427. For easy arithmetic, let's call that £400.
  • A Loire boat trip with wine tasting. Saumur is a bigg-ish town close by, the most expensive tour I can see from there is €95 pp, so let's say £180 for two. And you can bet the club will be able to negotiate a group rate.
  • A visit to the Forteresse Royale de Chinon. That's €10.50 pp, so a bit less than £20 but let's not quibble over the odds.
  • An unspecified number of visits to vineyards and wine tastings. These cost between nothing, and €55. So, if we said £50 per couple, visiting on seven of the fourteen days that are not already used up by other trips, that's another £350. You'd need to factor in transport to these places so let's round that up to £500, just to be generous.
That comes to £1,100 .

Some of the remaining £5,300 will be needed to pay tour guide staff, average salary for a tour guide in France is £23,014. That comes to about £500 per week, and I'm guessing there won't be wine tours every day - so over the fortnight, they probably do about a week's worth of hours at best.

If we say that salary is £500, that's a nice little £4,800 profit for the Caravan Club. If anyone is daft enough to pay for this.

Have I missed anything?
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Upside is all that wonderful company you'd have !
 
Jo001 said:
This is outrageous!

This trip is advertised in the Caravan and Mototrhome Club magazine. The cost, per person, based on two people using their own caravan or motorhome is £3,199 excluding ferry crossings etc. So a hair's breadth off £6,400.

What's included -
  • 16 nights on a Montsoreau campsite that we have used, it's nice enough but nothing special. At the dates of this particular tour, booking their premium sized pitch independently would cost you €427. For easy arithmetic, let's call that £400.
  • A Loire boat trip with wine tasting. Saumur is a bigg-ish town close by, the most expensive tour I can see from there is €95 pp, so let's say £180 for two. And you can bet the club will be able to negotiate a group rate.
  • A visit to the Forteresse Royale de Chinon. That's €10.50 pp, so a bit less than £20 but let's not quibble over the odds.
  • An unspecified number of visits to vineyards and wine tastings. These cost between nothing, and €55. So, if we said £50 per couple, visiting on seven of the fourteen days that are not already used up by other trips, that's another £350. You'd need to factor in transport to these places so let's round that up to £500, just to be generous.
That comes to £1,100 .

Some of the remaining £5,300 will be needed to pay tour guide staff, average salary for a tour guide in France is £23,014. That comes to about £500 per week, and I'm guessing there won't be wine tours every day - so over the fortnight, they probably do about a week's worth of hours at best.

If we say that salary is £500, that's a nice little £4,800 profit for the Caravan Club. If anyone is daft enough to pay for this.

Have I missed anything?
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This needs to be posted on their site
 
Jo001 said:
This is outrageous!

This trip is advertised in the Caravan and Mototrhome Club magazine. The cost, per person, based on two people using their own caravan or motorhome is £3,199 excluding ferry crossings etc. So a hair's breadth off £6,400.

What's included -
  • 16 nights on a Montsoreau campsite that we have used, it's nice enough but nothing special. At the dates of this particular tour, booking their premium sized pitch independently would cost you €427. For easy arithmetic, let's call that £400.
  • A Loire boat trip with wine tasting. Saumur is a bigg-ish town close by, the most expensive tour I can see from there is €95 pp, so let's say £180 for two. And you can bet the club will be able to negotiate a group rate.
  • A visit to the Forteresse Royale de Chinon. That's €10.50 pp, so a bit less than £20 but let's not quibble over the odds.
  • An unspecified number of visits to vineyards and wine tastings. These cost between nothing, and €55. So, if we said £50 per couple, visiting on seven of the fourteen days that are not already used up by other trips, that's another £350. You'd need to factor in transport to these places so let's round that up to £500, just to be generous.
That comes to £1,100 .

Some of the remaining £5,300 will be needed to pay tour guide staff, average salary for a tour guide in France is £23,014. That comes to about £500 per week, and I'm guessing there won't be wine tours every day - so over the fortnight, they probably do about a week's worth of hours at best.

If we say that salary is £500, that's a nice little £4,800 profit for the Caravan Club. If anyone is daft enough to pay for this.

Have I missed anything?
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The Tours that were advertised as we were emerging from COVID Lockdown were led by volunteers [who, presumably got 2 free places plus some sort of gratuity? It's easy to be generous with someone else's money!] The exchange rates you use are very mean, Jo, the 'retail price' campsite fee will be nearer £360 than £400, and there will be group discount fees for each activity [we joined the Old Gits [Third Age] Club at the French hovel and had an afternoon show at the Cavalry School at Saumur, a visit to the Troglodyte Cave dwellings and a generous 3 course lunch in a smart restaurant for €95 a head!]

I suspect that the CAMH Club will be raking in over £5000 quite comfortably, especially if they self insure and/or tack the public liability insurance onto their existing policy. Does the small print include 'Licensed by the FCA & PRA to print money ...'? :ROFLMAO:

Steve
 
I think you'll find that price £3199 is for an outfit plus 2 people and probaly includes vat! Much cheaper to plan a tour yourself but having been on a couple of group tours it is a-lot of fun with the right group.
 
Rodders1234 said:
I think you'll find that price £3199 is for an outfit plus 2 people and probaly includes vat! Much cheaper to plan a tour yourself but having been on a couple of group tours it is a-lot of fun with the right group.
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No, definitely the per person cost.

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Every single one of us pays more than cost on a daily basis. Everytime you buy something, or eat out in a restaurant, or get a takeaway, or buy a car, or get van valeted, we pay more than it costs. Sometimes the percentage is huge.

There’s a market price for everything, determined by actual cost plus perceived value. This trip will appeal to many and I suspect they will fill it. The same as those punters who have a package trip to Spain on holiday, or Greece.

I can’t say it bothers me to be honest.
 
Rolyan57 said:
Every single one of us pays more than cost on a daily basis. Everytime you buy something, or eat out in a restaurant, or get a takeaway, or buy a car, or get van valeted, we pay more than it costs. Sometimes the percentage is huge.

There’s a market price for everything, determined by actual cost plus perceived value. This trip will appeal to many and I suspect they will fill it. The same as those punters who have a package trip to Spain on holiday, or Greece.

I can’t say it bothers me to be honest.
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Whenever topics like this come up it reminds me of the sign above the cooker in our kitchen which reads;

Dinner choices:

1) Take it

2) Leave it
 
Robmac said:
Whenever topics like this come up it reminds me of the sign above the cooker in our kitchen which reads;

Dinner choices:

1) Take it

2) Leave it
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My mum had a slightly smaller list when we were growing up.

1) Take it.

We only argued once 😂
 
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