French speeding fine, time limit?

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In the UK police have 28 days to send you a NIP (Notice of Intent to Prosecute). I hear many say that they are receiving speeding fines from France many months after the incident. Google informs me the french have 100 days to issue a fine. So why do we pay up for outdated fines?
It's almost 100 days since I got flashed......
 
Different subject, but last year my wife had to attend a Hospital in France and we used the EHIC card at the time but after returning home she received a bill from the hospital for the treatment. I queryed the bill but they insisted it was due. I paid the bill as I thought if I didn't they could possibly tag your passport and then the next time you arrive at the port and present your passport for approval it would flag up. ????? Better safe than sorry.
 
In the UK police have 28 days to send you a NIP (Notice of Intent to Prosecute). I hear many say that they are receiving speeding fines from France many months after the incident. Google informs me the french have 100 days to issue a fine. So why do we pay up for outdated fines?
It's almost 100 days since I got flashed......
If the Fine is issued in France in accordance with French domestic law, it cannot be outdated. It's just different systems across two different countries

Steve
 
I thought when we left the EU France and other EU countries were no longer able to send fines back to the UK.


Is this no longer the case then? Has anyone received one recently? Shame if so as I think it might have been an actual real Brexit benefit! :ROFLMAO:
 
I thought when we left the EU France and other EU countries were no longer able to send fines back to the UK.


Is this no longer the case then? Has anyone received one recently? Shame if so as I think it might have been an actual real Brexit benefit! :ROFLMAO:
Extract from 'The Times' article dated 14th Jan 2021: 'The DfT told Driving.co.uk that British drivers may not be off the hook even if they’re not fined at the roadside in the EU, because the 1959 Council of Europe Convention on Mutual Legal Assistance in Criminal Matters (MLA), which permits the exchange of information and evidence on criminal and administrative matters, will continue to apply to the UK.'

Link here: UK Driver Speeding Fines in EU

Steve
 
Extract from 'The Times' article dated 14th Jan 2021: 'The DfT told Driving.co.uk that British drivers may not be off the hook even if they’re not fined at the roadside in the EU, because the 1959 Council of Europe Convention on Mutual Legal Assistance in Criminal Matters (MLA), which permits the exchange of information and evidence on criminal and administrative matters, will continue to apply to the UK.'

Link here: UK Driver Speeding Fines in EU

Steve

That report is a bit conflicting though as it goes on to say that they are not sharing the info anymore and the French are hoping to set up a new deal.

Has anyone actually had a fine back in the UK since the start of 2021?
 
That report is a bit conflicting though as it goes on to say that they are not sharing the info anymore and the French are hoping to set up a new deal.

Has anyone actually had a fine back in the UK since the start of 2021?
But the reference to the 1959 Mutual Legal Assistance that pre-dates the EU Scheme that UK joined in 2017 is a warning that Fines are still possible and enforceable under the shared information provisions. I don't speed, so I've no idea who/if anyone has been fined [my Satnav is set to warn for any excess speed] and I double check the actual speed whenever a roadside Speed Camera warning sign appears

Steve
 
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In the UK police have 28 days to send you a NIP (Notice of Intent to Prosecute). I hear many say that they are receiving speeding fines from France many months after the incident. Google informs me the french have 100 days to issue a fine. So why do we pay up for outdated fines?
It's almost 100 days since I got flashed......
just ignore it.. I have had loads of these even when we were in the EU
they will threaten you with everything..
never respond or admit to the debt
eventually it will go away
 
In the UK police have 28 days to send you a NIP (Notice of Intent to Prosecute). I hear many say that they are receiving speeding fines from France many months after the incident. Google informs me the french have 100 days to issue a fine. So why do we pay up for outdated fines?
It's almost 100 days since I got flashed......
I thought that for speeding they have to let you know within 14 days in the UK.

Not that this helps your question re France!
 
I thought that for speeding they have to let you know within 14 days in the UK.

Not that this helps your question re France!

Yes, they must send an NIP within 14 days. If delayed by the post then you will still have to pay, all depends on the letter date.

 
When I got arrested for speeding in France I was issued with a summons to appear in court 3 months later - as if I was going to go back :ROFLMAO: Of course I didn’t and I got a fine sent through the post to me d£cleared guilty in my absence and requested to pay a big fine. I sent them an English cheque for the value in francs (it was a long time ago) which was finally presented and paid. I’m led to believe that they will have been charged a handling charge, if so, then I got a bit of revenge, as we were stitched up by les flics at the time.
 
But the reference to the 1959 Mutual Legal Assistance that pre-dates the EU Scheme that UK joined in 2017 is a warning that Fines are still possible and enforceable under the shared information provisions. I don't speed, so 've no idea who/if anyone has been fined [my Satnav is set to warn for any excess speed] and I double check the actual speed whenever a roadsidde Speed Camera warning sign appears

Steve

Yes but then why would the French be seeking a new agreement to retrieve that information like they could through DVLA before Brexit?

Its as clear as mud. I am sure I read somewhere that the French were no longer bothering to pursue UK speeders. Of course if you do the crime you should do the time but just out of interest I wondered if anyone had been done since we left the EU. I got flashed nearly every year back when we toured Europe a lot. Never ever got a fine though. They seem a bit sneakier with their cameras than they are here.
 
Yes but then why would the French be seeking a new agreement to retrieve that information like they could through DVLA before Brexit?

Its as clear as mud. I am sure I read somewhere that the French were no longer bothering to pursue UK speeders. Of course if you do the crime you should do the time but just out of interest I wondered if anyone had been done since we left the EU. I got flashed nearly every year back when we toured Europe a lot. Never ever got a fine though. They seem a bit sneakier with their cameras than they are here.
The number of sudden changes in speed limit on French and (especially) Spanish roads drives me nuts.
They do make it extremely easy for you to break the limit .
 
I thought that for speeding they have to let you know within 14 days in the UK.

Not that this helps your question re France!
Yes, my mistake 14 days. Ha I should know I did use it once as I was reported speeding NIP but they sadly got the place of offence totally wrong (think they got their film evidence muddled with another location they monitor 😀) and the delay in correcting it got me off.

My main point is when we were in the EU were like all member states were had to issue NIP or equivalent in 14 days.
Googling came up with this Tripadvisor discussion:

Tripadvisor

Which seems to boil down to, you can dispute it but it will cost you more, just pay up!

Also I see Satnav speed cam detectors are not a good idea, which are on my XGody sat nav, must delete them ASAP

SPEED CAMERA DETECTORS IN FRANCE​

France says 'non' to camera detectors
Speed camera detectors are legal at home. But it's not always true abroad, where many countries have laws that ban drivers from carrying or using them.
Since 2012, it's been strictly forbidden under the French 'Code de la Route' (highway code) to have a speed camera detector in a car in France. That's regardless of whether or not you're using it.
Read our guide to understand what the law says and what it means for your driving trip to France.
Speeding

What does the French law say?​

French laws ban drivers from carrying devices that can detect speed cameras. This covers:
  • Radar and laser detectors, which pick up the signal from mobile speed cameras
  • GPS systems which show fixed speed cameras that exist on a database
Banned GPS systems can include sat navs and other navigation devices that show you where fixed speed cameras are.
'Jammers' which block the signal from a speed camera to stop you being caught are illegal, both here and abroad.

What are the penalties?​

If you're caught with one of the banned devices, you could be penalised. Penalties can include:
  • Fines of up to €1,500
  • Confiscation of the device
  • The vehicle being confiscated
Penalties can be issued if you're using the device or if you simply have it in the car, even if it's switched off.
 
Yes, my mistake 14 days. Ha I should know I did use it once as I was reported speeding NIP but they sadly got the place of offence totally wrong (think they got their film evidence muddled with another location they monitor 😀) and the delay in correcting it got me off.

My main point is when we were in the EU were like all member states were had to issue NIP or equivalent in 14 days.
Googling came up with this Tripadvisor discussion:

Tripadvisor

Which seems to boil down to, you can dispute it but it will cost you more, just pay up!

Also I see Satnav speed cam detectors are not a good idea, which are on my XGody sat nav, must delete them ASAP

SPEED CAMERA DETECTORS IN FRANCE​

France says 'non' to camera detectors
Speed camera detectors are legal at home. But it's not always true abroad, where many countries have laws that ban drivers from carrying or using them.
Since 2012, it's been strictly forbidden under the French 'Code de la Route' (highway code) to have a speed camera detector in a car in France. That's regardless of whether or not you're using it.
Read our guide to understand what the law says and what it means for your driving trip to France.
Speeding

What does the French law say?​

French laws ban drivers from carrying devices that can detect speed cameras. This covers:
  • Radar and laser detectors, which pick up the signal from mobile speed cameras
  • GPS systems which show fixed speed cameras that exist on a database
Banned GPS systems can include sat navs and other navigation devices that show you where fixed speed cameras are.
'Jammers' which block the signal from a speed camera to stop you being caught are illegal, both here and abroad.

What are the penalties?​

If you're caught with one of the banned devices, you could be penalised. Penalties can include:
  • Fines of up to €1,500
  • Confiscation of the device
  • The vehicle being confiscated
Penalties can be issued if you're using the device or if you simply have it in the car, even if it's switched off.
It's a moot point now, but I don't think that your assertion that all EU Member States have to issue Notices of Intended Prosecution within a standard timeframe is correct. Each Member State sets its own domestic law on, inter alia, transport [which is why the mantra about being 'ruled by Brussels' is an outright lie], unders its national competence. What was agreed under EU Law was the sharing of data to enable other EU Member States drivers to be prosecuted for traffic offences [and UK joined this Accord 3 years after it was implemented, rather than in 2014]. France bans the use of Satnavs to detect Speed Cameras [and Satnavs avoided that law by describing Speed Camera detection as 'Hazard Warnings'], UK didn't, nor did Spain

Steve
 

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