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[Robmac]

Sadly Rob, some seem to think it’s ok to empty their cassettes into WCs that are not designed for such a purpose. When we come back from some trips I use our downstairs toilet. Before doing so I cover the floor with newspaper. I try not to cause to much splashing but some invariably lands outwith the WC basin. I then remove all of the newspaper and my wife then carefully cleans the WC, the lid, and the lower tiled walls in the toilet. This takes her around ten minutes to do. I have seen campers entering and leaving a toilet with their cassettes in less than a minute. Even when signs are erected asking us not to do this.
When I plan a trip I always make sure that after three days I have access to an elsan point.

At a Wildcamping meet once Bill, one of our members (Disabled with Lupus) soiled himself outside a disabled toilet whilst another member with a Radar key obtained from ebay was emptying his cassette inside.

I've had many arguments on subjects such as this over the years but I can't see such behaviour ending anytime soon.

 

[Fisherman]

At a Wildcamping meet once Bill, one of our members (Disabled with Lupus) soiled himself outside a disabled toilet whilst another member with a Radar key obtained from ebay was emptying his cassette inside.

I've had many arguments on subjects such as this over the years but I can't see such behaviour ending anytime soon.

Why not simply make sure you get access to an elsan point. It makes no sense to me. Many more are being put in every week in the U.K. surely it’s not difficult, or am I just being naive here.

 

[mark61]

Well I imagined parked up quietly and discreetly for a night, but things have been taken to another level to include things that I wouldn’t expect people to do no matter where they are parked up.
Tar people with the same brush if you want, I’m not going to. Theres been complete removal of all nuance here.

 

[Robmac]

Well I imagined parked up quietly and discreetly for a night, but things have been taken to another level to include things that I wouldn’t expect people to do no matter where they are parked up.
Tar people with the same brush if you want, I’m not going to. Theres been complete removal of all nuance here.

I'm not tarring everyone with the same brush Mark, simply stating the behaviour of some who would claim to be responsible wild campers, and that includes the use of cemeteries suggested by this thread.

Ask the general non-motorhoming public what they would think of the idea, I think they would be horrified. I know I am and I wildcamp.

 

[Fisherman]

Well I imagined parked up quietly and discreetly for a night, but things have been taken to another level to include things that I wouldn’t expect people to do no matter where they are parked up.
Tar people with the same brush if you want, I’m not going to. Theres been complete removal of all nuance here.

Sorry Mark but I constantly refer to a minority on here.
As I said in my initial post 17, I am not critical of anyone who does park outside a cemetery, I just don’t think it looks good.
Also I honestly believe that most of us avoid emptying cassettes into toilets that are then used by the public. If I am wrong, then so be it, but I was not attempting to tar everyone with the same brush, as a matter of fact I was trying to do the exact opposite.

 

[mistericeman]

Well I imagined parked up quietly and discreetly for a night, but things have been taken to another level to include things that I wouldn’t expect people to do no matter where they are parked up.
Tar people with the same brush if you want, I’m not going to. Theres been complete removal of all nuance here.

I think it's perfectly possible to park up "Quietly and discretely" in lots of locations...
Lots of us do it on a regular basis ....

I would argue though that some places are of a sensitive nature ESPECIALLY to folks outside our chosen pastime .

And I personally think that cemetery car parks are one of those spots ...

OK probably not everyone is going to be bothered or concerned BUT ,
How about to a family that has recently had a loved one interred there and is visiting for the first time ...

Rocks up and finds someone parked up in a motorhome/Campervan ...at best sat there minding their own business ...
At worst with tables and chairs out etc
Either way I really don't feel personally that it either paints us in a good light OR is a particularly sensitive action to carry out ....
Add in folks thinking it fine to help themselves to a water supply that isn't there for the use of motorhomes/campers but is there for use by folks attending graves ...and it just leaves a nasty taste in MY mouth .

 

[mark61]

I'm not tarring everyone with the same brush Mark, simply stating the behaviour of some who would claim to be responsible wild campers, and that includes the use of cemeteries suggested by this thread.

Ask the general non-motorhoming public what they would think of the idea, I think they would be horrified. I know I am and I wildcamp.

Depends exactly what you ask them. My scenario of quietly parked up,(along the lines of the thread title) where you'd hardly be noticed, doubt they'd have a problem.

Your scenario, then of course they'd have a problem. But they'd have a problem with that behaviour anywhere, as would I and I'm sure most here would .

 

[Robmac]

I think it's perfectly possible to park up "Quietly and discretely" in lots of locations...
Lots of us do it on a regular basis ....

I would argue though that some places are of a sensitive nature ESPECIALLY to folks outside our chosen pastime .

And I personally think that cemetery car parks are one of those spots ...

OK probably not everyone is going to be bothered or concerned BUT ,
How about to a family that has recently had a loved one interred there and is visiting for the first time ...

Rocks up and finds someone parked up in a motorhome/Campervan ...at best sat there minding their own business ...
At worst with tables and chairs out etc
Either way I really don't feel personally that it either paints us in a good light OR is a particularly sensitive action to carry out ....
Add in folks thinking it fine to help themselves to a water supply that isn't there for the use of motorhomes/campers but is there for use by folks attending graves ...and it just leaves a nasty taste in MY mouth .

People visiting cemeteries after a recent bereavement can be extremely emotionally charged, I know I was and can be upset by the slightest thing. I personally kicked out a bunch of youths who were behaving in a rowdy manner, in other situations I would have just ignored them.

But to people in this frame of mind, anything that seems disrespectful can cause very unexpected results. Believe me.

 

[Robmac]

Depends exactly what you ask them. My scenario of quietly parked up,(along the lines of the thread title) where you'd hardly be noticed, doubt they'd have a problem.

Your scenario, then of course they'd have a problem. But they'd have a problem with that behaviour anywhere, as would I and I'm sure most here would .

I'm not sure what you think my scenario was Mark?

I object to parking overnight at cemeteries and taking water.

 

[mistericeman]

People visiting cemeteries after a recent bereavement can be extremely emotionally charged, I know I was and can be upset by the slightest thing. I personally kicked out a bunch of youths who were behaving in a rowdy manner, in other situations I would have just ignored them.

But to people in this frame of mind, anything that seems disrespectful can cause very unexpected results. Believe me.

I agree wholeheartedly ....
As I say I'm happy to wander around churches/churchyards etc ...
(we take it in turns as we've usually got the dogs with us ,and I don't feel it's appropriate to take the dogs into grave yards even though theyre well behaved (mostly)
So I'm definitely not parking a hoofing great motorhome overnight in the carpark ...no matter how discretely I park .
But then I wouldn't steal water from one either .

 

[trevskoda]

I once passed a cemetery at night and saw a ghost, he saw me
But I was not sure who was scared the most.

 

[mark61]

I'm not sure what you think my scenario was Mark?

I object to parking overnight at cemeteries and taking water.

Well you gave the example of a MH taking ages to fill up with water, so that scenario.

Anyway, I understand you object to it, regardless of taking water or not, and that's fair enough. I don't.

Now there's two of you assuming everyone steals water.

 

[Robmac]

Well you gave the example of a MH taking ages to fill up with water, so that scenario.

Anyway, I understand you object to it, regardless of taking water or not, and that's fair enough. I don't.

Now there's two of you assuming everyone steals water.

Oh come on Mark, I related one incident that happened at our local cemetery and I did say "Ok that's an unusual event and extremely arrogant" and I said I object to taking water as suggested in the OP. Nowhere did I say everyone steals water?

 

[Boris7]

When my son died I was there every single night for the best part of a year Kev. You would be surprised how many people go down there at night. His mates often came and sat with me as well, sometimes into the early hours.

The most respectful people at our local cemetery are the gypsies. If they spotted anybody using it as a leisure facility they would soon be 'moved on'.

Rob, my deepest respect and regrets, I’ve never met my son (long story) but even so there’s always been a place in my heart for him, I can’t begin to understand how painful loosing a child would be.

 

[mistericeman]

Well you gave the example of a MH taking ages to fill up with water, so that scenario.

Anyway, I understand you object to it, regardless of taking water or not, and that's fair enough. I don't.

Now there's two of you assuming everyone steals water.

I didn't say 'Everyone' steals water ....

BUT I've personally witnessed (and had words )on more than 2 occasions motorhomes/camper vans taking water from sources they had no express permission to do so (by their own admission ....and the attitude of its not locked so its fair game )

That (along with parking in sensitive locations like grave yard car parks )
Is not on ...is not the sort of behaviour that shows what we do in a good light AND in the case of water is frankly stealing IMHO .

 

[n brown]

i slept in many cemeteries and graveyards when i was younger,and saw them as sanctuaries . very rarely saw another human after dark , but saw every kind of wild animal that was around . lovely peaceful places ,and all the people buried there always gave me a feeling of comfort and safety ,and i often lay there in my sleeping bag listening to all the little furries scuttling about ,and trading hoots with resident owls , once was woken up by a fox sniffing my face- he had the same colour hair as me . they are proper nature reserves .

 

[Robmac]

i slept in many cemeteries and graveyards when i was younger,and saw them as sanctuaries . very rarely saw another human after dark , but saw every kind of wild animal that was around . lovely peaceful places ,and all the people buried there always gave me a feeling of comfort and safety ,and i often lay there in my sleeping bag listening to all the little furries scuttling about ,and trading hoots with resident owls , once was woken up by a fox sniffing my face- he had the same colour hair as me . they are proper nature reserves .

We did have a local smack head sleeping rough at our local cemetery. He was evicted by the gypsies and persuaded that it would not be in his best interests to return anytime soon.

Foxes are often there at night though, and Muntjac.

 

[maingate]

I have taken water from a Cemetery probably 3 times in all the years with a motorhome. The most I took was 20 litres and only because I had no other alternative. I see Robs point about relatives being sensitive but apart from them, who the hell is going to get angry about someone using the tap to fill a container. It just goes to show how narrow minded British people can be. As said earlier, access to water is a basic human right.

There is a POI in Southern Scotland at an Abbey with a Cemetery attached which has been well used for many years and I have never heard of any complaints. Part of the car park adjoins the Cemetery entrance but motorhomes tend to park at the far end and it is a bit more discreet. I have used the tap there but we arrived there as a final stop on the way home and I filled an empty bottle so we could have a cup of tea. Later that evening when it was quiet I took 20 litres, just enough to last us until we got home the next day.

People need to take a chill pill.

 

[barryd]

i slept in many cemeteries and graveyards when i was younger,and saw them as sanctuaries . very rarely saw another human after dark , but saw every kind of wild animal that was around . lovely peaceful places ,and all the people buried there always gave me a feeling of comfort and safety ,and i often lay there in my sleeping bag listening to all the little furries scuttling about ,and trading hoots with resident owls , once was woken up by a fox sniffing my face- he had the same colour hair as me . they are proper nature reserves .

Your just feckin weird! I thought I was the oddball on here but I think you beat me!

Ive only slept in a bush shelter under a stolen pub parasol and in a JCB bucket. Feckin lightweight.

 

[barryd]

I have taken water from a Cemetery probably 3 times in all the years with a motorhome. The most I took was 20 litres and only because I had no other alternative. I see Robs point about relatives being sensitive but apart from them, who the hell is going to get angry about someone using the tap to fill a container. It just goes to show how narrow minded British people can be. As said earlier, access to water is a basic human right.

There is a POI in Southern Scotland at an Abbey with a Cemetery attached which has been well used for many years and I have never heard of any complaints. Part of the car park adjoins the Cemetery entrance but motorhomes tend to park at the far end and it is a bit more discreet. I have used the tap there but we arrived there as a final stop on the way home and I filled an empty bottle so we could have a cup of tea. Later that evening when it was quiet I took 20 litres, just enough to last us until we got home the next day.

People need to take a chill pill.

That sounds fine to me, done the same. I often in Europe or the UK go on a water run. I love it as its like a hunter gatherer thing and it makes me feel all proud to bring the little lady back some lovely water so I can grunt at her and she looks all pleased. I can carry 40 litres on the bike and cemeteries as long as they are quiet are not off limits. Ive mainly done this in Europe but occasionally in the UK. Nobody seems to care when you turn up on a little bike though.