Colinc
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It isn't tit for tat. It is normal for third party countries. Most countries have this arrangement.
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Robmac
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Yes I know that as I stated in an earlier post.
Most countries don't enforce it though and I bet we don't. Tit for tat comes in if they start enforcing it and then we do.
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Curious about this "single market" thing? Is that where you have a group of countries agreeing to do the same single thing?There is a simple solution of course. Rejoin the single market.
A good concept and that was what the EEC that the UK joined was.
However, as an example now, did you know that every EU country has implemented its own recycling program for on-line sellers, and that sellers have to register individually with each EU Country they may want to sell to, and with most pay an annual registration fee to each Country.
Single Market my ar.............
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Most border guards profile to pick who to check in the stream of people coming through. I guess they reckon a motorhome coming for a long stay is a higher “risk” than someone flying in with cabin bags only. The rules on being able to sustain yourself is aimed at stopping people working whilst in their country - which of course isn’t allowed. Someone staying longer term short of cash is far more likely to get a temp job at a bar, etc.
UK Border Force do exactly this. And they are pretty strict with Europeans. I’ve had the misfortune to be in the queue behind them a few times now.
However when people were told this would be the result of their vote it was put down to “Project Fear”. And that campaign was very successful. Unfortunately the Remain campaign was crap.
UK Border Force do exactly this. And they are pretty strict with Europeans. I’ve had the misfortune to be in the queue behind them a few times now.
However when people were told this would be the result of their vote it was put down to “Project Fear”. And that campaign was very successful. Unfortunately the Remain campaign was crap.
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Suck it up.
No point whingeing after the stable door shuts.
Seems to me Marie, that most of the whingeing on here is about the referendum, no matter how thinly veiled!
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Which is irrelevant now really. Most are now aware of the problems at the border, what we don't know is how it will develop.
Little point in discussing referendum campaigns?
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It is only useful in terms of understanding what is happening. The assertion was that it was tit-for-tat. It isn’t, it is the slightly delayed implementation of ******. The rules are now permanent.
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Then so be it, it is their/our perogative on how it is enforced.
Once the tourist industry gets hit I daresay that the enforcement will become more lax.
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It won’t go away. Asking people for proof they won’t need to work in the country has very little impact on the tourist industry - especially if done in a targeted way using profiling. It does help cut local unemployment,
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People getting fed up with queuing at the borders might put people off though?
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For Brits not wanting to queue we now only have stay at home or go to Ireland. Most will put up with the queues. Not much choice really
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For Brits not wanting to queue we now only have stay at home or go to Ireland. Most will put up with the queues. Not much choice really
Not me if I can help it. That's why I don't go abroad for my holidays, I can travel at my leisure and not be tied to a flight or ferry.
The recent queues were hardly surprising to be honest though at what was after all the busiest time of year.
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Busiest time and stamping passports. Next year there will be ETIAS instead - and remains to see if that is quicker or slower - likely quicker.
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According to this it will involve everyone individually getting out of the vehicle. Sounds an absolute nightmare.
https://www.independent.co.uk/trave...***-border-etias-dover-eurostar-b2130495.html
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Good old Independent. No mention of FAP50? (what a great name
How about the FT then? https://www.ft.com/content/9cc3e31e-0233-4d61-8329-8c1e171f8236
I think the crux of it is there is no magic bullet solution. The Geography at Dover limits to some extend what can be done and all you need is a perfect storm of holiday travel being back to normal in peak season competing with commercial traffic and the system collapses because of the extra time it now takes. It would appear that the new systems coming on board are not at all designed to alleviate this. That is not their purpose.
Much has been done already to process commercial traffic away from the borders forming invisible queues, if it had not been done it would have been much worse. Things have changed so its a case of getting used to it. It will effect us motorhomers for the foreseeable so I reckon its a case of planning accordingly, maybe considering different ports.