Vaccine Passports

I’ve no intention of going abroad in the camper...but fully support the idea of having to show proof of being vaccinated.
The vaccine doesn’t give you 100% immunity as I understand it.
I’d much prefer to enjoy a pint in my local pub knowing all those present had been vaccinated than risk sitting next to someone who hasn’t.
This virus can’t be compared to the flu or pneumonia, it’s far more deadly.
 
Heard on news this morning that there has not been one case of flu reported this year. Sounds like a thumbs up for mask's. (y)
 
Yes, I heard that too on a few news reports, which I did find very strange as I was only checking it out at ONS a few days ago.
Shame the ONS figure list Influenza and Pneumonia together, anyway they have numbers up to week 5 2021.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/tran...finformationfoi/influenzadeathsfrom1999to2021

I noticed that too the other day.

A little disingenuous to say no flu deaths then.

Shame it wasn't in picture form.
Then I'd understand a lot better what's going on ;) :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: 🙃
 
Heard on news this morning that there has not been one case of flu reported this year. Sounds like a thumbs up for mask's. (y)
The government reported in October that pneumonia and influenza deaths would be recorded as Covid deaths as they couldn't differentiate between the three.
Many scientists have observed over the years that when there is one very dominant virus it seems to suppress all others.
 
Some kind of vaccine passport for overseas travel, yes. It makes perfect sense because it gives them confidence that you stand very little chance of being a drain on their local medical resources and are highly unlikely to be spreading something new.

Needing vaccine passports within the UK? Definitely no! - it's almost verging on hysteria now and is pointless and illogical if you think about it. Lots of businesses and venues are now saying they don't want to employ/admit anyone without a passport because "we want to protect our staff and customers". The hugely overwhelming point of having the vaccine is to protect yourself against serious disease or death if you do get infected. Yes, there's a secondary effect of the vax in giving protection to others because of reduced transmission etc but that will be afforded to everyone else equally - those with or without a vaccine - and it's coming from you, not them. Bear with me! If you sit next to an unvaccinated person in the cinema, who is most at risk? They are of course because you've got your safety shield, they haven't. The protection those company bosses spoke of already sits with all those staff and customers who are vaccinated and is helping to protect all the people they mingle with. Yes anyone could still be unlucky enough to catch Covid but the unvaccinated are the ones taking the bigger risk. Substitute the world flu for Covid and you'll appreciate the nonsense that this is. Ultimately, we should hopefully be able to live with Covid as we live with flu - it's out there and it could be deadly but we've had our jabs.

Another point is that our percentages of people taking up the vaccine will likely ensure that case numbers eventually remain very low in the UK. The fewer cases there are in the community, the less chance it has to mutate into something nasty. The small proportion of unvaccinated people are more likely to be infecting each other than those who rolled their sleeves up but there won't be enough of them to effect the whole picture.
Totally agree with you. The only fair way of implementing it would be when the vast majority of the people have had the vaccine, and then it wouldn't be needed anyway.
My guess is that within a couple of years it will disappear like Sars-1
 
I’ve no intention of going abroad in the camper...but fully support the idea of having to show proof of being vaccinated.
The vaccine doesn’t give you 100% immunity as I understand it.
I’d much prefer to enjoy a pint in my local pub knowing all those present had been vaccinated than risk sitting next to someone who hasn’t.
This virus can’t be compared to the flu or pneumonia, it’s far more deadly.
I'd be better if they made the Vaccine Mandatory unless you had a medical reason supported by a Doctor because all those who refuse the vaccine will only be passing it on to those who thru No fault of their own can't have the Vax Everyone should have a passport those with a medical exception could have it noted and still be accepted. The passport could resemble those badges worn by doorstep sellers and be worn when out an about
 
There is no doubt that some form of proof of vaccination would make travel abroad and also attending certain events in the uk safer and so help to restore confidence in people. The problem is how and what form the identification takes. Badges would be available on eBay within days, linking it to a smart phone app excludes those without a smartphone. Luckily the chip inserted at the same time should help............ (that’s a joke by the way....). While we have a mindset amongst a few of the population who just look on a rule or restriction as a challenge to get round a reliable form of vaccine proof will be problematic.
 
I,d guess the card would have to be like a driving licence including a photo with the facility to be updated yearly at vaccination time it,ll probaly have a yearly subscription to cover it,s running costs
 
I,d guess the card would have to be like a driving licence including a photo with the facility to be updated yearly at vaccination time it,ll probaly have a yearly subscription to cover it,s running costs

The petition against a 'vaccine passport' has over 200k signatures.
The petition for only has 244 signatures, as of today.

I won't speculate either way, quite happy to wait and see what transpires down the line.

If my finger crossing and hopes come to fruition, maybe the virus will eventually die out like Sars did, or maybe we'll manage to get it under control to the extent that it is no longer a threat to global health systems.

If that does happen, then vaccine passports would be redundant. 🤷‍♀️
 
If my finger crossing and hopes come to fruition, maybe the virus will eventually die out like Sars did, or maybe we'll manage to get it under control to the extent that it is no longer a threat to global health systems.

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This fella got a similar Idea
 
Nah, why not just dispense with the passport idea and just have the vaccine number tattooed on foreheads.
Must admit it might be good to wear that badge though. Would almost make me feel as special as one of those prefect badges you could get for being especially good and obedient at school.
 
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I do not believe in vaccine passports for domestic use but I do feel countries will require such passports for visitors. I've been required to have certain vaccines, when working overseas, I.e. Yellow Fever, having seen a guy who could not prove that he had been vaccinated, dragged out of the queue, and threaten to either have it there, or be sent home. Would you like to be forced by someone you do not trust.
 
Wether or not the government decide to go down the vaccine passport route, IATA have put much effort into such a scheme. Link
 
There is an inevitability about this this that will prove unstoppable.
We can debate till the cows come in about the ethics, rights and wrongs.
But basically we as a nation are not in full control here. Also it can never be up to governments to decide who can and cannot enter a hotel, fly on a plane, or take a cruise. These decisions must be left to the owners, who have the right to determine who they wish to deal with. Can you imagine what would happen to a hotel, or a cruise liner if they allowed unvaccinated customers to spread Covid. And I know the vaccines are not full proof but they do offer great resistance to Covid being spread, as well as helping to prevent more serious symptoms developing. Then we have the problem of those who have been vaccinated being made to feel as safe as possible, something these organisations will surely highlight as being good for their industries.
 
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Whilst I support the idea of a vaccine passport in principle, I can't see it stopping the spread of Covid from other countries. Lets say Pedro the baggage handler at Mexico's main airport is asymptomatic, he spreads covid all over your suitcase, you are fine because you are vaccinated but Fernandez the hotel porter in Peru is the next to handle your suitcase and kops a dose of covid, as does Maya the tour guide in Bolivia, and so on....

Am I talking crap as usual or is the above scenario realistic?
 

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