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The vaccine doesn't stop you getting CV, and passing it on. ( Edit for Sam: At the time of writing, no-one is suggesting the vaccine will 100% stop you passing CV on)

So, as restrictions about meeting other people get lifted the virus will spread through EVERYONE.

That's ok if everyone has had the vaccine, and it's 100 percent effective. Ooops.

So I think there will be a fair few at risk people that because it's not 100 percent are still going to suffer. And then the lot who won't have the vaccine thinking they are not at risk, some will be without knowing it.

Travel: It won't matter a hoot about whether you've had the vaccine or not, you could still be a risk to the country you're entering so unless they've also vaccinated eveyone they'll probably still have restrictions like quarantine in place that you'll have to follow.

I know this seems a bit of a negative post but:

I'd like to have my thinking changed if someone can show me why any of that is wrong.

I like to just know where I am rather than looking forward to that Easter trip to France - it isn't going to happen...

If anyone reading, or people they know, thinks they don't need the vaccine because they probably won't get it. You/they WILL catch CV. Perhaps my post will sway you.

Discuss lol.
 
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Yup.

A fair old percentage of the world needs to be vaccinated before we see any way out of the woods.

The treatments will get better (they already have!) which, together with the vaccines, will hopefully reduce the risk of long term health damage and death.

The whole world is on a massive learning curve and there is still a lot of 'educating' to be done.
 
People not having the vaccine is a poor decision in my opinion, but as long as there’s not enough of them to stop us reaching heard immunity it’s not that important, biggest issue is we don’t actually know the percentage of people needed to teach heard immunity with CV-19 so the more non believers we can convert the better.
 
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The government advice at present is that it may reduce the risk of passing it on. Link
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I know that is the advice, but that is because they are not yet sure. Your post gave some certainty to an inconclusive hypothesis. A bit like the stories about the Astrazeneca jab isn't effective for the over 65's.
 
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I agree 100% with post no 1
Whatever the effectifvenees of whichever vaccine is used
Roll out takes time and does not preveent transmission
So huge danger if restrictions are relaxed/ignored (and they will be ignored)
I think we are 1 year away from anything like normality. Being realistiic..NOT negative.
AND then a huge medical backlog to try to clear
 
Even if we don't beat it entirely, I think there is light at the end of the tunnel. Maybe this is a wake up call and life will always be slightly different for everyone. Not always a bad thing. I do wonder whether the Asian custom of wearing masks if unwell will be one thing carried on. I don't mind, the seasonal illness rate for flu, antivirus etc has reduced and new viruses are a distinct possibility. Even watching tv and films, I now feel uneasy when I see crowded groups, wonder how long and whether that will persist?
 
Behind the numbers: what does it mean if a Covid vaccine has ‘90% efficacy’?

www.theguardian.com

Behind the numbers: what does it mean if a Covid vaccine has ‘90% efficacy’? | David Spiegelhalter

Confusion surrounds the vaccines’ effectiveness. The leading Cambridge professor clarifies the data behind the trials
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
I found this interesting. The last paragraph says the the astrazeneca vaccine had a 45% tentative reduction in infectivity.
Separately I also heard that despite the acceptable vaccines not being 100% in avoiding positive tests, not one person who has been vaccinated with them has been hospitalized or died of covid. Not to say that it will never happen.
 
Anti vaxxer's should have there passports nulled and for the pro vaxxer's they should have a card that shows they have been vaccinated and when the time comes for a new passport it can be shown in there. It should also be a requirement for visas to show you have been vaccinated.
 
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Anti vaxxer's should have there passports nulled and for the pro vaxxer's they should have a card that shows they have been vaccinated and when the time comes for a new passport it can be shown in there. It should also be a requirement for visas to show you have been vaccinated.
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Not exactly what you mean but you do get a card with your details on after your first jab.
 
My darling wife had the letter today and went straight on line to book the times. Four attempts as appointments were taken up before she completed, meaning having to start from scratch. The vaccination centre is just across the park from us so hopefully she won't want a lift.
 
I’ll be opposing any movement to single out or restrict people who haven’t had the vaccine, regardless of me having it.

Besides, you can’t label all the people who won’t/can't have it as “anti vaxer’s.”

As to traveling in the near future, might as well chuck ten scenarios in a hat and pull one out.
 
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