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Robmac
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I think the problem is Marie, that people do not realise that until they take this seriously we are not going to be back to normal anytime soon.
The only hope is that the vaccinations make the difference and we can all get out and about again.
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That's how I see it Mark, but surely it would have been cheaper to just let you carry on with the original job?
My van needs a run and I'm not allowed to do that for any distance. I'll just have to drive around the nearby Black Cat roundabout a few dozen times!
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Two women fined £200 each for driving five miles to go for a walk in the park
Derbyshire Police have since defended the decision to fine the women and said driving for exercise was "not in the spirit" of lockdown
www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk
Local is defined as within town area but no guidance as to how far one can drive. Ten minutes to get somewhere remote rather than more crowded areas. The explanation given by the women seems very sensible...as for coffee being a picnic....
Unfortunately this lockdown is not really ensuring people stay at home as there are so many now working and travelling between houses. Unless they are furloughed too, and only essential workers travelling, there will be more movement. Hopefully today's news that workers will be mass tested, may mitigate this.
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As far as jobs and furlough go, I have no problem with people doing other jobs whilst also being paid furlough.
Everyone has to make a living and it can be hard finding employment anyway.
You may be furloughed from a job and no guarantee down the line that you will start back working that job as normal again, you might end up being made redundant anyway. So you have to try and safeguard your future and look for paid work elsewhere, or you need to top up the furlough money to meet your outgoings. I certainly wouldn't be hanging about waiting to see if there's a job left for me to go back to further down the line!
Everyone has to make a living and it can be hard finding employment anyway.
You may be furloughed from a job and no guarantee down the line that you will start back working that job as normal again, you might end up being made redundant anyway. So you have to try and safeguard your future and look for paid work elsewhere, or you need to top up the furlough money to meet your outgoings. I certainly wouldn't be hanging about waiting to see if there's a job left for me to go back to further down the line!
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I think if people are going to be fined then the guidelines should be unequivocal. Would they have been fined if they had walked five miles? Not an unreasonable distance imho. The police are obviously trying to enforce which is good, but there are many more flagrant cases of breaking of lockdown going on. Easy to target a beauty spot.Two women fined £200 each for driving five miles to go for a walk in the park
Derbyshire Police have since defended the decision to fine the women and said driving for exercise was "not in the spirit" of lockdown
Local is defined as within town area but no guidance as to how far one can drive. Ten minutes to get somewhere remote rather than more crowded areas. The explanation given by the women seems very sensible...as for coffee being a picnic....
Unfortunately this lockdown is not really ensuring people stay at home as there are so many now working and travelling between houses. Unless they are furloughed too, and only essential workers travelling, there will be more movement. Hopefully today's news that workers will be mass tested, may mitigate this.
I believe the Police have now reviewed the case Ruth. It was a bit over zealous to say the least.
I wouldn't be happy taking the van out now though, as I think it is just asking to be pulled.
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Nothing wrong with that I hunt down the yellow sticker all the time.Its the paddy in me, tight as a ducks (*&$.
mariesnowgoose
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I think if people are going to be fined then the guidelines should be unequivocal. Would they have been fined if they had walked five miles? Not an unreasonable distance imho. The police are obviously trying to enforce which is good, but there are many more flagrant cases of breaking of lockdown going on. Easy to target a beauty spot.Two women fined £200 each for driving five miles to go for a walk in the park
Derbyshire Police have since defended the decision to fine the women and said driving for exercise was "not in the spirit" of lockdown
Local is defined as within town area but no guidance as to how far one can drive. Ten minutes to get somewhere remote rather than more crowded areas. The explanation given by the women seems very sensible...as for coffee being a picnic....
Unfortunately this lockdown is not really ensuring people stay at home as there are so many now working and travelling between houses. Unless they are furloughed too, and only essential workers travelling, there will be more movement. Hopefully today's news that workers will be mass tested, may mitigate this.
Well done you!
I posted that story the other day when it first occurred and it was removed - maybe because BBC links are banned?
Have you changed your perfume brand lately, Ruth?!
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Seems a bit odd to me Marie.
You get paid to stay at home so you don't spread the virus, but you can also get paid to go and work somewhere else and carry on spreading the virus?
I think that people need to get real and realise that they are still getting 80% of their wage and are saving money on travel, going out for drinks/meals. entertainment etc. etc. Inevitably some sacrifices need to be made if we are going to make any progress?
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That's how I see it Mark, but surely it would have been cheaper to just let you carry on with the original job?
My van needs a run and I'm not allowed to do that for any distance. I'll just have to drive around the nearby Black Cat roundabout a few dozen times!
I'll come up and meet you at the service station
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My son seriously looked at second job when furloughed the first time, as he alsolost the overtime he was used to being paid and obviously budgeted for, however this was reviewed by gov and he got it back eventually, losing 20% of wage is a lot for many though. Some people rely on a second wage which is lost as a partner has to look after children, so I can see several instances where a second job would be important.
A lot of people are making money from covid pandemic, not least some cronies of politicians who had business out their way?
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Way more difficult in congested cities & towns to find out what people are up to in and around their own premises, and my guess is that's where the bulk of the spread is happening.
The woman in Bournemouth who was arrested and marched off by the police had been followed round the city using cameras. When arrested she was holding a cup of coffee so somewhere must have been open to buy it. BIG BROTHER is looking for you. It's turning into a Police state where you get muppets in uniform who have no idea what the law is telling people what they can and cannot do.
Watched an American YouTube video the other night and the camera man was arrested on Suspicion of being suspicious.
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I'll come up and meet you at the service station
Yeah, there's a MaccyD's there Mark.
Blimey, I said that like it's a good thing!
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No movement on North Yorks Moors: most of the higher roads still blocked with snow.
saves the police driver checking!!
saves the police driver checking!!
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Years ago when I went from fulltime motorcycle instructor and moved to being employed fulltime in a totally different job role.
I informed my new employer that I would like to still do the MC training part time and they said a second job was not a problem.
Paying the tax on the second job was not.... lasted a year because I loved doing it but I was working at a large loss after wear and tear, petrol etc.
How does paying income tax work with someone who gets a second job and is on furlough ?
I informed my new employer that I would like to still do the MC training part time and they said a second job was not a problem.
Paying the tax on the second job was not.... lasted a year because I loved doing it but I was working at a large loss after wear and tear, petrol etc.
How does paying income tax work with someone who gets a second job and is on furlough ?
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That's fine if you are in a comfortable position financially, Rob, and can weather the storm.
But that doesn't apply to everyone, unfortunately. I imagine a lot of people will be getting very desperate, especially if they have mortgage, rent, kids, bills, debts etc. And there are already many people out there doing all manner of jobs since the first lockdown, many of which are absolutely vital, otherwise the country would have ground to a halt even more than it already is. It's a question of where you draw the line. Very difficult to say, imho.
Individual circumstances will always affect how people behave, pandemic or not.
Unfortunately the pandemic has made a lot of people's lives even more precarious and uncertain than they were before.
Its not the going to work or not that's the problem - although it can be, so a double edged sword.
It's primarily the social mixing. I think a lot of the major offenders for virus spread are people with large, extended families who take no notice of social distancing requirements and have carried on a normal. The virus is nowt to do with them
... and that's across all sections of society!
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Here in Portugal we have definite restrictions. Cannot travel outside our council area at all for anything except exceptional reasons. No cars at all at weekends after 1pm, even within locality. This does mean more people out in the morning, but generally people seem to just stay in anyway. Not sure whether some walk to supermarkets which are still open all day since this seems to be ok, but anyone out is pretty visible and the GNR have little to do since no traffic! Restaurants have to maintain sd and only 50% capacity on weekdays, weekends they just seen to close 1pm and locals who eat out do so very early usually do not a big problem.
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How very dare she - that's a picnic!
Interesting, the two women in Derbyshire were carrying Costa coffee cups or Starbucks or some such when they were stopped.
Guess these places are open for takeaway food? MacDs is still doing drive throughs, so I guess that must be the case.
I don't see how anyone could classify MacDonald's as an essential food outlet, btw. Yuk!
