Just bought one of these.....

I now know how it feels to post a A-frame post on here....

Frankly despite the Fun polices best efforts.... I'm going to enjoy it (at least until I get a whole Tpac team after me and chucked in the pokey)

2020 has been a complete shitter for a multitude of reasons....
And IF it means I can have at 54 years old with knacked knees/bad asthma and shot feet a bit of fun exercise in the fresh air then completely legal or not then I'm going for it ;-)
 
mistericeman said:
I now know how it feels to post a A-frame post on here....

Frankly despite the Fun polices best efforts.... I'm going to enjoy it (at least until I get a whole Tpac team after me and chucked in the pokey)

2020 has been a complete shitter for a multitude of reasons....
And IF it means I can have at 54 years old with knacked knees/bad asthma and shot feet a bit of fun exercise in the fresh air then completely legal or not then I'm going for it ;-)
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Enjoy your bike and ignore the people giving incorrect legal advice
 
mistericeman said:
I now know how it feels to post a A-frame post on here....

Frankly despite the Fun polices best efforts.... I'm going to enjoy it (at least until I get a whole Tpac team after me and chucked in the pokey)

2020 has been a complete shitter for a multitude of reasons....
And IF it means I can have at 54 years old with knacked knees/bad asthma and shot feet a bit of fun exercise in the fresh air then completely legal or not then I'm going for it ;-)
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Go on, dare you to get an A frame for it. 😂

Enjoy your bike. (y)
 
mark61 said:
Go on, dare you to get an A frame for it. 😂

Enjoy your bike. (y)
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Or get a trailer - and a trailer for the trailer?
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I know if you have a trike you can have a twist grip and it doesn't need to be pedal assist. I was told I can have this on my 3 wheeled hand cycle and it doesn't need any tax/insurance/etc. I dont know if the 15mph bit applies as I only wanted it for going up inclines.

Re original post, looks fun, like the idea of phat bikes

Edit: it may be the trike bit only applies if you have a disability so check yourself if looking at it
 
mistericeman said:
I now know how it feels to post a A-frame post on here....

Frankly despite the Fun polices best efforts.... I'm going to enjoy it (at least until I get a whole Tpac team after me and chucked in the pokey)

2020 has been a complete shitter for a multitude of reasons....
And IF it means I can have at 54 years old with knacked knees/bad asthma and shot feet a bit of fun exercise in the fresh air then completely legal or not then I'm going for it ;-)
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Not trying to p1sh on your bonfire and I’m sure you’ll have loads of fun on that fantastic bike but thought you should know it doesn’t comply with the stupid laws in the uk. 👍
 
caledonia said:
Not trying to p1sh on your bonfire and I’m sure you’ll have loads of fun on that fantastic bike but thought you should know it doesn’t comply with the stupid laws in the uk. 👍
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Appreciate that....

However I'm not roaming around robbing old folks, on it or shipping drugs etc....

I'm a daft old bugger with aching joints and reading glasses on to see the display getting a bit of exercise lol
 
mistericeman said:
Appreciate that....

However I'm not roaming around robbing old folks, on it or shipping drugs etc....

I'm a daft old bugger with aching joints and reading glasses on to see the display getting a bit of exercise lol
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I think it looks ace......'burn rubber, fight the power' 👊
 
mistericeman said:
About the only cast iron source...

www.gov.uk

Electric bikes: licensing, tax and insurance

Electric bikes meeting the EAPC regulations can be ridden on the road without being taxed, licensed or insured
www.gov.uk www.gov.uk
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exactly.

So following the site on the screenshot caladonia posted takes us to
urbanebikes.com

eScooter, Electric Bike & Motorcycle Laws UK - Legal 30mph Bikes

Learn about the laws surrounding electric bikes, electric scooters and mopeds, electric motorcycles and bikes that go 30mph in our easy to follow guide. From what driving license you might need to insurance and where you can ride, we have everything covered in a simple guide.
urbanebikes.com urbanebikes.com
and they state (my highlighting):
" it’s important to note new bikes since 2015 with a “twist and go” throttle function cannot go more than 3.7mph (6km/h). They do not qualify to be an EAPC, as there are no pedals involved. "

Govt. website
www.gov.uk

Electric bikes: licensing, tax and insurance

Electric bikes meeting the EAPC regulations can be ridden on the road without being taxed, licensed or insured
www.gov.uk www.gov.uk
" it can be propelled without pedalling (a ‘twist and go’ EAPC) " and no warning about a different speed than for a 'normal' EPAC

Contradictory info. I'll go with the info that any Law Enforcement might use rather than the info from a Bike Shop (it is strange that the bike shop info is more restrictive. They should double-check their source).
 
wildebus said:
thanks. I still don't believe it. I would want to see an official source rather then a random product resellers opinion.
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You don’t have to believe it but it seems pretty straight forward and uncomplicated to me rather than the contradictory evidence you provided.
 
Ok. Some more information which explains the confusion (and TBH, incomplete info from Urbane Ebikes)

Urban eBikes say "It’s important to note new bikes since 2015 with a “twist and go” throttle function cannot go more than 3.7mph (6km/h). They do not qualify to be an EAPC, as there are no pedals involved."

What they fail to say is the additional info that is included in this official document (my highlighting):
"1.2 Cycles where power can be obtained even when the rider is not pedalling (twist and go)
Under European law these cycles are categorised as “L1e-A” and are required to obtain EU or domestic type approval. They are not required to be registered. There is however an exemption for cycles where power is available only up to 6 kilometres per hour without pedalling, to help start-up, and these are exempt from type approval."
www.gov.uk

Guidance on European type approval for certain electrically assisted pedal cycles (EAPC)

www.gov.uk www.gov.uk


The UK Govt Page clearly states:
"An electric bike must be type approved if either:
  • it can be propelled without pedalling (a ‘twist and go’ EAPC)"


So a Twist and Go EPAC is not limited to 6kmh if it has type approval (or was made before 2016).
Urban eBikes really should make it clearer that Type Approved bikes do not have that restriction (maybe they don't bother as they don't sell any?).

Type Approvals for Twist and Go EAPCs:
Made before 2016 - none required
Sold before 2018 - "We have been advised that initially the only requirement for in-scope EAPC is on lighting: an automatic headlamp on (AHO) facility must be fitted "
From Jan 1 2018 - "All EAPC which are of the “twist and go” type will need a full type approval to 168/2013." What this type approval consists of is not really important to the customer as it is something that is done by the maker and so the result is that it either has it , or does not have it. So simple question... "is it Type Approved to 168/2013"



The danger of the Internet ...
 
caledonia said:
You don’t have to believe it but it seems pretty straight forward and uncomplicated to me rather than the contradictory evidence you provided.
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see my later reply.
PS. If there is contradictory evidence for something, who do you believe? the people who set the regulations or the people selling the products? bit of a no brainer on that one I think!
 
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