While we are in the mood...

Pollik

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While we are having an anti-authority fest in another thread... BBC News - Row over photo in shopping centre ... about a man threatened with the terrorism act by police.

His crime...taking photos of his own daughter.

(And some of my friends wonder why I have become so anti-britain.)






Polly
 
The world has gone mad!! It's like taking photos at a school play because paedo's might get it. But you can watch the DVD the school produces (and sells to you) with children on and copy one of the frames if you so wish?

The security guard stated that it was Illegal. My understanding is that for it to be Illegal, there has to be a LAW first.

Ie. Contravention of Rules and regulations cannot be classed as Illegal, therefore criminal. The majority of security guards probably don't understand the difference!!

Unless someone whose knowledge is greater than mine says different!!

Stop the world, I want to get off!!
 
While we are having an anti-authority fest in another thread... BBC News - Row over photo in shopping centre ... about a man threatened with the terrorism act by police.

His crime...taking photos of his own daughter.

(And some of my friends wonder why I have become so anti-britain.)

Polly

Come on now, be fair - those nasty terrorists have been after our ice cream for years.

I share your frustration. We now feel guilty whenever we get a camera out in public these days, yet when I was recently in Australia I went into the Olympic swimming pool in Sydney which is such a fantastic building I thought I'd ask if I could take a photo (of the inside and it was crowded at the time); the attendant looked at me as if I had landed from another planet and said "why on earth not?" There are still some sane parts of the world.
 
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i have had some really nasty neighbours, it got to a point where i was recording them using the video on my fone (but sound only, as obviously i wasnt pointing the fone at em)

i recorded so much, inc where they foned the police infront of me, saying was attacking them and throwing dog crap at em with a help me voice...yet recorded before and after where they were swearing and saying im gonna fone the police and get me nicked (they were throwing dog crap at me)

recordings of them saying do i like the new paintwork on my car (brake fluid all over, front to rear and sides........................................)

council wont do anything, or even bother to listen to them, as they say they would deny it, and say i just edited, er....doctord the recodrings.

same with the police.

yet after the riots in london etc, the cops asked for fotos and recordings off mobile fones..

i have fotos showing the neighbours cutting down trees, fly tipping etc etc but again they wont use them

after mt car got keyed (before the brake fluid) i asked for the council to install cc tv, to THERE standard for legal action, but they said you drive a old car so doesnt really matter and not important (then a week later brake fluid)

its one rule for them, and one rule for job public.

only time the cops did listen to the recordings is when i got a bent copper, siding with the neighbours (who came across all innocent and the victims) and the copper said i a doley layabout, no disiability at all, and he hates people like me as his taxes goto my dole when i sign on etc. thats when i went to a inspector and threatend them with the newspapers. this copper tried to do me for saying my was a inch stuck out of my drive, that i should move it, its a peice of old **** etc etc.

im the only person on the street to stand upto the neighbours, no one else dares. i have even been told not to record on my fone as i leave or enter my house and path......

they attacked and stabbed 2 removal men a few months back, but they were too scared to press charges as one of the workmen, was a huge body builder, and the neighbour went on the fone, mentioned this guys name, and the bodybuilder realised who it was, a propper drug dealer thats known to shoot people.......these are the sort i have to put up with. my doc has had to fill me full of anti depressants, i cant even leave my house if they are about.

had total lies about me, been reprted for selling stolen goods, selling alcohol to underage kids, my girlfriend lives with me etc etc etc. the list goes on. i even have a recording say they are lieing about me, to get my evicted so one of there family can get my council house. 2 weeks ago i was reported for having a bonfire in the day, having a party, slamming my car doors in the early hours etc. again total BS.

council say, while they cant prove i have done these things, it still goes against me as a compaint. i have been trying to get a property that is better for my disiabilty, but they wont give me on, as all the compaints against me, which they admit there is noooooooooooooooooo proof, just acusations. i tried to say these are malicious acusations, but the council dont care.

the copper was dealt with, given warning and behaviour training(he even made sarcastic voice talking slow, when i said i had dyslexia and could he read out the statement to me why i was being given a caution). im waiting to hear back from the big disiabled and discrimination thingy wotsit.
 
i have had some really nasty neighbours, it got to a point where i was recording them using the video on my fone (but sound only, as obviously i wasnt pointing the fone at em)

i recorded so much, inc where they foned the police infront of me, saying was attacking them and throwing dog crap at em with a help me voice...yet recorded before and after where they were swearing and saying im gonna fone the police and get me nicked (they were throwing dog crap at me)

recordings of them saying do i like the new paintwork on my car (brake fluid all over, front to rear and sides........................................)

council wont do anything, or even bother to listen to them, as they say they would deny it, and say i just edited, er....doctord the recodrings.

same with the police.

yet after the riots in london etc, the cops asked for fotos and recordings off mobile fones..

i have fotos showing the neighbours cutting down trees, fly tipping etc etc but again they wont use them

after mt car got keyed (before the brake fluid) i asked for the council to install cc tv, to THERE standard for legal action, but they said you drive a old car so doesnt really matter and not important (then a week later brake fluid)

its one rule for them, and one rule for job public.

only time the cops did listen to the recordings is when i got a bent copper, siding with the neighbours (who came across all innocent and the victims) and the copper said i a doley layabout, no disiability at all, and he hates people like me as his taxes goto my dole when i sign on etc. thats when i went to a inspector and threatend them with the newspapers. this copper tried to do me for saying my was a inch stuck out of my drive, that i should move it, its a peice of old **** etc etc.

im the only person on the street to stand upto the neighbours, no one else dares. i have even been told not to record on my fone as i leave or enter my house and path......

they attacked and stabbed 2 removal men a few months back, but they were too scared to press charges as one of the workmen, was a huge body builder, and the neighbour went on the fone, mentioned this guys name, and the bodybuilder realised who it was, a propper drug dealer thats known to shoot people.......these are the sort i have to put up with. my doc has had to fill me full of anti depressants, i cant even leave my house if they are about.

had total lies about me, been reprted for selling stolen goods, selling alcohol to underage kids, my girlfriend lives with me etc etc etc. the list goes on. i even have a recording say they are lieing about me, to get my evicted so one of there family can get my council house. 2 weeks ago i was reported for having a bonfire in the day, having a party, slamming my car doors in the early hours etc. again total BS.

council say, while they cant prove i have done these things, it still goes against me as a compaint. i have been trying to get a property that is better for my disiabilty, but they wont give me on, as all the compaints against me, which they admit there is noooooooooooooooooo proof, just acusations. i tried to say these are malicious acusations, but the council dont care.

the copper was dealt with, given warning and behaviour training(he even made sarcastic voice talking slow, when i said i had dyslexia and could he read out the statement to me why i was being given a caution). im waiting to hear back from the big disiabled and discrimination thingy wotsit.


That's crazy, Jules.

I've been making good use of my camcorder in my war against neighbourhood noise, and it's started to get results. The pub next door was horrendous on Saturday night - music blasting out so loud that you could hear it half a mile away - so I filmed a couple of minutes of it and sent the clip to the brewery. They were really thankful because they'd been getting complaints for ages, but claimed they needed 'solid evidence' to back it up. Well... they've got it now!
 
That's crazy, Jules.

I've been making good use of my camcorder in my war against neighbourhood noise, and it's started to get results. The pub next door was horrendous on Saturday night - music blasting out so loud that you could hear it half a mile away - so I filmed a couple of minutes of it and sent the clip to the brewery. They were really thankful because they'd been getting complaints for ages, but claimed they needed 'solid evidence' to back it up. Well... they've got it now!

yup. been acused of having parties every weekend, i have had 1 this year, my 40th (same day as royal wedding, so lots of parties anyway). ok it was a little loud at midnight, andheld my hands up to that.....the same people said other week, they could here me outside with at least 6 people talking until 6am. it was one friend, and yeah we was sat out, just sat quietly drinking, infact the morning birds were louder.

i admit i had some lparties last year, i was diagnosed with a tumour, so had major surgery, and a mate had to look after me for a couple of months, so i was unable to get out with all my mates, so they made me some decking and a little cover, so i had friends round a few times, when i got the all clear, then i destroyed my right knee (360deg and sticking out sideways....worst ever pain i have had, even worse than when i broke my back!) so was ina wheelchair for a long time.

so yup, held my hands up to a few parties, not mega mega raves etc. infact the local postie and other neighbours often came, so more like just gatherings.

its the total lies about me, having proof and recordings, yet no one in authority will take action etc.

the council told me, they had to report the acusations that i was selling booze to kids to the police (they never came...) and that all the items in the garden were stolen, like nice paving slabs, brick path, tables, chairs etc etc, i got them all off freecycle with my mates so could prove it.

you would think having a recording of a someone foning 999 saying shes being assaulted and dog crap thrown at them, could be backed up at their end, to the recording i have, where just prior and after, shes laughing saying shes going to get me done for actually what they were doing to me at that exact time.

so much for the news saying councils are cutting down on neusience neighbours....its been hell here.
 
The Anti Terrorsim act is a carte blanche farce in some respects......

It is possible with no more than a map of the London Underground to be detained and questioned if Plod so chooses. So a current serving officer in the Met informs me, And I have no reason to disbelieve him, I have always found him to be honourable and straight as a die.

I accept that authorities are wanting to keep us safe, And I accept that there needs to be legislation that has teeth in respect of suspected terrorists.

The problem is those Police officers that abuse it ....but I guess there has always been a corrupt element WHICH I am sure is a big disappointment to those who truly want to serve the public and make us feel safe at night; So perhaps a risk we aceept on the chin ?

FWIW my comments are an observation , sadly I cant share an answer.... i,dont think there is one, there will always be those on a power trip, those who abuse etc ......all we can hope for is confidence in the majority

Channa
 
The Anti Terrorsim act is a carte blanche farce in some respects......



I accept that authorities are wanting to keep us safe,

Channa

Those in higher authority don't give two hoots about your safety....they want to keep you down, quiet and frightened.
 
@ JoMutch...in this case it could probably be argued that the mall was private land. :/
 
Ah Jules, that suck, that really does.:mad:

The police are not whiter than white. My son-in-law had an altercation with neighbours both sides, resulting in him dropping one of them (I forget which martial art he has). Long story short, the police took the neighbours' side. And again a second time and treating son in law as already guilty. This time, though, my partner was there. The officer quickly learned that there are some things you should not do and say in front of a magistrate.

But the thing is...whether you get treated properly should not depend on who you know, it should be automatic.

Photos from my camera are time stamped when they are taken and also whenever the file content is either modified or accessed. Don't know how it works with mobile phones. There must be a way to force the council/police to take action. Howabout if you got a petition up, or other people in the street also gave evidence?



Polly
 
the copper was dealt with, given warning and behaviour training(he even made sarcastic voice talking slow, when i said i had dyslexia and could he read out the statement to me why i was being given a caution). im waiting to hear back from the big disiabled and discrimination thingy wotsit.

Why did he give you a caution?

On that subject, I do wish people (especially youngsters) wouldn't accept a Police caution without knowing their rights. It's not a warning or a slap on the wrist, it's a criminal record. Don't make their job easier for them - get them to prosecute; chances are most BS cases will be dropped by the CPS anyway.
 
My son-in-law had an altercation with neighbours both sides, resulting in him dropping one of them (I forget which martial art he has). Long story short, the police took the neighbours' side

That is going to be standard, I'm afraid. Having martial arts skills is not a good pretext for "dropping" people and even if used in self defence you are often going to be hard pressed to prove it. If you are actually attacked you should be able to block any blows and make a sharp exit if you are worthy of having any skills.
 

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