VED Headache

[barge1914]

Oh my brains hurt!…trying to figure out vehicle taxes on a new van to be registered Nov 2018.

I am assured by a dealer that if a new Autosleeper Nuevo ES is registered in November 2018 it will be classed as Private Light Goods and be taxed £240 pa.

If so then a rise for inflation is due in April 2018. However can I place any credence in what he is saying. I’ve had a scout around the usual sources and This is what I’ve come up with…

DVLA say the following..
<<The way Vehicle Excise Duty (VED) is calculated is changing for some vehicles registered from 1 April 2017>>

In short it says effectively…From 1 April 2017
Tax is dependant on class and CO2 emissions, plus a supplement for the first 5 years if price over£40000…so far a motorhome (as below)…

<<Category M1 Special purpose (M1SP)
Passenger carrying vehicles which are designed and constructed for special purposes. Vehicles which are type approved as M1 Special Purpose are as follows:
• motor homes/caravans …>>

Plus it says…

<<* Cars with a list price (and this seems to include motorhomes in the M1SP class) of over £40,000 when new pay an additional rate of £310 per year on top of the standard rate, for five years >>

But…it also says…
<<• Multi stage build M1SP and M1G vehicles without a CO2 emissions figure shown as part of the final type approval will continue to be taxed as PLG. Where there is a CO2 figure they will be taxed under the new scheme.>>

And so long as they are under 3500kg this may provide a get-out for Motorhome manufacturers so long as they don’t state CO2 figures on their type approval documents.

But then…

From 1 September 2017, more stringent and realistic tests will be used to certify new car models against the Euro 6 emission limits.

RDE step 1 – applies to new type approvals from 1 September 2017 and to all new registrations from 1 September 2019, they’ll be classed Euro 6-temp. (the dealer claims new vans in this class won’t be available until after the latter date).

RDE step 2 – applies to new type approvals from 1 January 2020 and to all new registrations from 1 January 2021. Cars (and presumably M1SP?) type approved during this period will be described as meeting Euro 6d. (I’ll be getting on in years by then!)

In the Autumn 2017 budget the Chancellor announced an increase in the first year VED rate of one band for new diesels first registered from 1 April 2018 that don't meet the Euro 6d standard. (A bit vague…all diesels or some diesels, cars only or vans? Anyway Euro 6d won’t be available any time soon; not compulsory until after 2021)

As an aside but relevant to anyone already owning a van…From April 2018, the first-year rates for cars (and M1SP Vans?) registered after 31 March 2017, and the standard rates for vans, motorcycles and cars registered before 1 April 2017 will rise in line with inflation. (so most of us one way or another).

So it seems unless manufacturers are wangling out type certificates with PLG class and no emissions data, owners of new cleaner more efficient vans are going to be clobbered with eye watering road tax for a few years at least.

Has anyone negotiated their way through this maze and have light to share?

Has anyone recent experience of their recently new van being classed PLG? I wonder how common this is? Even my van registered in 2014 shows emissions data on its log book, and is classified ‘motor caravan’.

Daft thing is it seems we are being encouraged to hang onto older less clean and efficient vans for longer!

 

[izwozral]

My reg says PLG, Motor Caravan. Two for the price of one it seems!

 

[barge1914]

Ved

This might help
https://orbit.brightbox.com/v1/acc-...tax_changes_April17_DEALER_final_WEB.pdf?2017

and simplified
How will the new VED rules affect you? | Advice | Practical Motorhome

My thought are, would a panel van conversion fall into the new expensive tax rate easier then a coach built!

Thanks, I hadn’t found that one...just got there the long way round. So I guess it’s not in the interest of Manufacturers to have CO2 figures on the certificates if they want to sell their motorhomes. But probably worth asking for written confirmation first before ordering.

 

[wildebus]

One thing which is pretty well set in stone is the original taxation category won't change from 1st Registration

So if the Motor Caravan started life as a Commercial Van, then it will alway remain taxed as a Commercial Vehicle; and if it started Life as a Passenger Vehicle (M1) then it will remain taxed as a Passenger Vehicle.
Best way to avoid the £40k 5 year tax hike for Passenger Vehicles on a PVC is to have it registered prior to conversion. Pretty common occurance (my own LT was registered around 8 months before it went into service (the gap time being while it was waiting on its conversion to a minibus))


"Multi stage build M1SP and M1G vehicles without a CO2 emissions figure shown as part of the final type approval will continue to be taxed as PLG" - I bet that while they MEET the M1SP/G classification, they will be classified as N1 on the V5C and hence a commercial vehicle.
Car, PLG or HGV makes no difference whatsoever to being able to be classified a Motor Caravan either. Any Vehicle can be reclassified as a Motor Caravan if it meets the Bed+Table+Cooker criteria with the DVLA.

 

[phillybarbour]

My understanding is new rules only apply to cars and not commercials.

 

[colinm]

AFAIK for the UK market motorhome manufacturers no longer puts the co2 figure on the CoC, so you should get the old rate.