Reprieve for Diesel Motorhomes

[colinm]

It's been a nightmare in Hull with fibre companies digging up pavements and putting telegraph poles in everywhere. I didn't realise you didn't need planning permission to put a new telegraph pole in until I saw all the kicking off here.

Absolute madness, I haven't even had a landline since moving to Hull, started off with a company that did wireless mesh then changed about 18 months ago to a SIM card. Most cities will have 5G by now I expect so no reason to pay what the fibre companies want for internet never mind all the poles and digging up

The problem is if everyone took 5g the speed would drop off considerably, to counteract that many more transmitters would need to be built, and guess what, each of those transmitters needs fibre.

 

[Nabsim]

The problem is if everyone took 5g the speed would drop off considerably, to counteract that many more transmitters would need to be built, and guess what, each of those transmitters needs fibre.

When I was on the Helpdesk at Derby Uni we used microwave line of sight to link Campus's together, went into Nottingham and somewhere else as well as the local places. There are more options than using cable

 

[Thistle]

@Nabsim
Pole planting for fibre seem to be the next looming scandal the profit seems to be in taking the government funded money to plant poles and then walk away from the responsibility to deliver the service or have such a small customer base that the service can’t be viable from a business sense without grant funding

We had Airband here a few years ago planting poles anywhere they liked with minimal notice in some cases causing considerable damage to fence lines and hedgerows leading to compensation pay outs for damages on private land but eventually they did get something up and running to the handful of customers actually using the service

A few months ago freedom fibre started poking sticks in the ground announcing they were about to plant more poles some virtually alongside the existing ones for their government funded rollout apparently they can’t share poles or the existing poles aren’t in the right place for their plans however something went wrong, Shropshire council has recently cancelled their contract after only completing 25% of the roll out.

Apparently the contract was to deliver fast broadband to 12,000 homes that are currently on 2Mb or less

We are now awaiting to see who next gets the contract to plant more poles!

 

[colinm]

I live in a listed house, in a conservation area, we have poles for telephone/internet, makes me laugh to hear of the complaints over new poles. The facts are that across the UK relatively few new poles are being 'planted', most fibre is on/in existing infrastructure, BT are obligated to allow altnets to use their poles and ducts at a controlled price, the odd thing is a altnet doesn't have to share their infrastructure, so if a second one comes along they will build new infrastructure.

 

[Nabsim]

I live in a listed house, in a conservation area, we have poles for telephone/internet, makes me laugh to hear of the complaints over new poles. The facts are that across the UK relatively few new poles are being 'planted', most fibre is on/in existing infrastructure, BT are obligated to allow altnets to use their poles and ducts at a controlled price, the odd thing is a altnet doesn't have to share their infrastructure, so if a second one comes along they will build new infrastructure.

It's been a nightmare in Hull Colin, there are already telegraph poles but companies have been coming along adding more between the existing ones because they 'dont own' the existing ones. The past outside my house, (both sides of the road has been dug up 3 times in under 2 years laying cables. One company put a cable to the boundary of every house but only went into the properties of those signing up.

It's scandalous, should be legislation that infrastructure should be shared if it exists, with payment to the ones that owned it of course. Didn't this get forced on BT when they had to unbundle?

Of course Hull may be different to other places as it's only the last couple of years anyone has been allowed to offer broadband here apart from KC0m. That's why I originally went with a wifi mesh provider.

 

[colinm]

I had thought that KCom where treated the same as BT, but not sure, I've seen posted before about the problems in Hull, but never taken much interest as it's been nearly 40 years since I worked at Armstrongs.

 

[Nabsim]

I had thought that KCom where treated the same as BT, but not sure, I've seen posted before about the problems in Hull, but never taken much interest as it's been nearly 40 years since I worked at Armstrongs.

Its only recently anyone has been allowed in to KCom area. Was late 2021 when I moved here and my only options were KCom (conventional) or Whisper (wireless mesh). That may have been the time the gates started opening. Reasons I have seen in local news for having to put in new poles and cables is KCom don't share. I don't know if that's true or an excuse but it certainly led to a lot of poles.

Google tells me that Hull became the first UK city to have full fibre broadband available to all its customers. I know that isn't right as I couldn't get fibre in 2021 and I am in the city not too far from the docks.