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I have in the past talked about self building a stealthy wild camping van. Once again the urge has come over me to explore this idea.
So first let me give you bullet points of what the van needs to meet my requirements (I know these are not everyones requirements)


  • Large main bed that is very comfortable :)
  • Beds for two children
  • Toilet
  • Shower
  • Hob
  • Oven or microwave
  • Sink
  • Fridge
  • Instant hot water
  • On board LPG tank
  • Inverter for mains
  • Tv / Dvd
  • Black out blinds
  • Solar panels
  • Hi top van
  • No more than 20 feet long
  • Heating
  • LED lighting
  • Water Tanks
  • Tables
  • Wardrobe
  • Battery bank for inverter (maybe around 600ah)
  • I must be about to use it daily as my main form of transport
  • Must be stealthy / not stand out

Ok I may add to this later.

I currently have a 1996 Autosleeper Duetto that I would sell to finance this (around £10,000) plus get a loan for maybe £5000. So Budget £15,000

The van must blend in, maybe even be camouflaged in some way.

I need to be able to work in the van and keep an over active six year old entertained on a rainy day.

So what base vehicle?
Any simular conversions to look at?
What colour van?
Should I get pre made motorhome conversion furniture?

please discuss
 
Hi Phil
I'm sure you'll get lots of answers. But have a look at my route. I've bought a 2004 Ford Transit ex-United Untilies/Network Rail 8 seat work van (Approx 15ft and white all over). Remove the rear seats and fit a dinette with underseat fridge & slide out porta-potti. Van already comes with 4 overhead lockers, Hot water heater, foldup sink & microwave and 80/90% of the electrics you'll need. Plus 2 huge side windows already fit. I've kept the rear 'work' van as is as I'm an antique dealer and need dual purpose, but it would easily convert to suit your needs. I've still to buy some proper seats but so far total cost including van purchase is £4800!!
 
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Even though we already have a reasonably sized 'van, I am also itching to convert one, there is only so much one can add or change to a factory built van without detracting from it's value, so I have been looking (not that I can afford one) at the different types of makes available.
Everyone has different 'wants' in a conversion, and I think I would like to have a go at a LWB Mercedes Sprinter Hi top, to fit in my ideal set up.
I would get hold of an older family caravan and use the internals.
My list would be very similar to yours, but my set up would require a fixed double bed at the back, a high bed near the front (for my young lad) and double seating behind the drivers cab (hence the LWB).
Swivel seats in front turning to face a table for 4.
The rest of the gubbins fits in between.
One day I may get the chance to build it. :dance:
 
Is there not a risk in making a MH look like a works van from the outside look like something a traveller would use? Not prejudiced at all but the recent thread about Scarborough makes me quake to me boots as I can see such people ruining wilding in popular spots
 
The problem I see with stealth campers is that if an ordinary van is parked in the middle of nowhere with apparently nobody in the drivers seat, it is likely to get broken into. May be worth sticking a sign on the back with "Dangerous Chemicals" or "killer Bees in transit" to deter the scumbags!
 
If you do a Google search on 'Ebay Motorhomes' there are hundreds for sale and many stealth campers. You can scroll through the internal pictures to give you some ideas.
 
A couple more thoughts;

I would spend as much as possible of the budget on the base vehicle, you want a late registerd low mileage model. (preferably diesel).

It is vital that the lining and insulation are done properly, you do not want condensation building up behind the lining, and once these are done, you can do the rest at your leisure, but still use the van for camping with mattresses and camping stoves until it is complete.

Any colour but white. A white van will always look like a tradesmans van and encourage thieves looking for tools etc.

As for buying ready made units, it depends on your own skill, a proffesional looking fit out will increase the value of the van, anything shoddy will decrease the value.

You will also need to look into the insurance requirements, ie. to insure as a motorhome there are various requirements such as built in cookers, windows etc.

Rob
 
I think you may struggle to use as only vehicle with the 4 berth requirement, oven, 600Ah batteries etc.

From experience I wouldn't go much longer than 18 foot for ease of getting in parking spaces as only vehicle. Otherwise it is difficult to park at Tescos etc when it is busy.

Also for good stealth it is best not to use the cab area when camping. Cab window cutains look suspicious but a blackout curtain behind the cab looks natural. The cab can be integrated (swivel seats etc) when on campsites.

The only way to give decent beds for two kids while maintaining stealth and not compromising your layout would probably be to use an extra hi-top with a roof bed. And I would definitely go transverse for your main bed to save on length or give you better kitchen and shower on the same length. If you go transverse fixed at the rear with mid kitchen/shower, expandable front lounge, and hi top roof kids bed, maybe with bed floor which can go up during the day to give you more lounge height, I think it would all work in about 19 foot. The space under the rear bed gives you storage for battery bank, gas, tanks, boilers and kids bikes etc.

But it would be much more usable as a two birth in this length!
 
Also may be worth trying to keep as much of the weight forward as possible in a lwb van, otherwise it will affect handling.
 
If you are hoping to change the classification of the van to "Motor Caravan" and to insure it as a Motorhome then I suggest that you have a look a the new definitions of vehicle types put out by DVLA. It makes for some very interesting reading

LINKY

Vehicles as a Motorhome and an everyday driver are difficult. It is only the very small things like Romahomes that prove to be satisfactory. I wouldn't want to use our lump as a daily driver
 
i've got an lt35 which i often use as main vehicle[usually while a kid borrows my car] and don't find it a problem,in fact for city traffic and generally i prefer it,just a bit juicier than the car.i have fitted a sprinter as 4 berth and its a bit tight with a shower as well,they're a bit narrow,ducato is better
 
Self-build anybody thinking about it just go for it we did.

:D
Even though we already have a reasonably sized 'van, I am also itching to convert one, there is only so much one can add or change to a factory built van without detracting from it's value, so I have been looking (not that I can afford one) at the different types of makes available.
Everyone has different 'wants' in a conversion, and I think I would like to have a go at a LWB Mercedes Sprinter Hi top, to fit in my ideal set up.
I would get hold of an older family caravan and use the internals.
My list would be very similar to yours, but my set up would require a fixed double bed at the back, a high bed near the front (for my young lad) and double seating behind the drivers cab (hence the LWB).
Swivel seats in front turning to face a table for 4.
The rest of the gubbins fits in between.
One day I may get the chance to build it. :dance:

It's the best way when you know where every single wire or screw is if a repair is needed or you want to change it. It's the best feeling of satisfaction when you stand back and can say we did it. I say we because I can't take all the credit for our van .(we being 2 middle aged females at that lol). Even better when we get the reaction of disbelif of people .Yes we are very proud of our 3 birth LWB high top Mercedes sprinter complete with swivel seats full bathroom cooker fridge hot n cold water under slung tanks hook up Seitz windows and yes we even did those our selves. We have fixed rear double complete with dog space underneath there own private bedroom with light we then have access to loads of underbed storage from out the back doors.Hope to get round to uploading pic one day .
 
If you are hoping to change the classification of the van to "Motor Caravan" and to insure it as a Motorhome then I suggest that you have a look a the new definitions of vehicle types put out by DVLA. It makes for some very interesting reading

LINKY

Vehicles as a Motorhome and an everyday driver are difficult. It is only the very small things like Romahomes that prove to be satisfactory. I wouldn't want to use our lump as a daily driver

LOL all the "not motor caravans" are Bongos!
 
Change of classification

Hi yes there's a form on a insurance site you can print then take your van along with form and go to a MOT garage they check and tick all the boxes stamp it and a copy of that form along with pictures of van is sufficient for DVLA usually hope this helps any one thinking of changing classification
 
Phil, have a prowl around (and maybe join) the SBMCC site. I think you may have to modify your wish-list a bit but having owned a self built I haven't seen a factory built which would do my job as well.
Ivan
 
couple of thoughts....

I am 6 foot tall and have a bad back so need to be able to lay on my back in bed, so a transverse bed would be to narrow.
I had considered a bed above the main bed. I remember how an Autosleeper CF Bedford had two roll out beds in the elevating roof.
Ducato looks good in a LWB high roof. but are the boxer or relay better?
 
My LWB Hi Roof Tranny is easy to drive and park but it overhangs a supermarket parking space by a couple of feet which doesn't matter if the car park isn't busy and I can park lengthways over 2 back to back spaces but I wouldn't like to try to park it in a town centre car park on a busy day. Also hi roof means that you need to be careful about height restrictions on some car parks.

When I bought it I was intending to sell my everyday vehicle (Peugeot Partner van) and use the Tranny as my only vehicle but after having had it a few months now, I've decided to keep the Partner as my everyday vehicle (despite the financial cost of running 2 vehicles) simply because of the convenience of having a smaller, more economical everyday vehicle. Plus, there has already been 1 occasion when having a second vehicle has saved my neck (when I flattened the battery in the Partner leaving an interior light on over 3 days) and saved considerable stress first thing in the morning on discovering a completely flat battery.

I haven't yet insulated the side walls of my Tranny which are plylined, and when I measured the width, from ply to ply it was 175cm so if you are 6ft, in a similar vehicle you might struggle to get a full length transverse bed which is comfortable for you.

I don't see that having a white van makes much difference compared to a coloured van. I've never had any problems with my white Partner, although I have got pawprint stickers and a sign with a picture of a German Shepherd saying "Beware of the dog". Also a pink steering wheel cover does tend to indicate that it's not a builder's van! I'm planning to eventually put some stickers along the same lines on the Tranny, as over the years a lot of people have asked me (because of the stickers etc on the Partner) if I work for an animal charity or dog food supplier or am I a professional dog trainer. So whilst you might not want pawprints on your van, it might be worth thinking about putting some sort of "disguise" stickers or livery on it.

What I've found about my Tranny is not to be rigid in my ideas for it - using it at the moment as a mobile tent means that everytime I use it I come home with an idea about layout or what I actually need from it, so that I am gradually ending up with a vehicle that suits my needs exactly, designed from my experience. As others have said, the first priority is insulation and once that's done, then you can use it as a mobile tent at least. So far I've only insulated my roof and floor and need to empty it and take the side plys off to do the walls which is going to be a time consuming nuisance job.

After the insulation the next thing is to wire in a leisure battery - I've just done that whilst away over Easter under Firefox's supervision, and now I've got lights and can power my laptop and have got piece of mind that I can jump start the Tranny off the leisure battery in emergencies. I had been using battery powered LED lights with rechargable batteries which were ok but it was something else to remember to have to do when I got home, to recharge or replace the batteries. But it's worth having a few of these as back up. Having done the wiring myself, I've learned a huge amount about the basics of electrics and now feel confident to wire in a cigarette adaptor socket and my little 12v beer fridge, and a couple of 12v LED lights.

And the most important thing I've learned so far is that every single job, no matter how small or seemingly quick, takes about 4 times as long as you think it will take, nothing is ever straight forward. For example, it took less than an hour to do the wiring for the leisure battery, but then several hours to do the earth as we had to undo a rusted bolt through the floor and then clean off the rust to bare metal, find a bolt that would fit etc etc. And it was a 2 person job, one person either side of the floor to tighten the nut and bolt.

But you will get a huge sense of satisfaction after doing just a small job on a self-build, every little improvement no matter how small gives a sense of pride, and self-satisfaction. Enjoy the process!
 
Vehicles as a Motorhome and an everyday driver are difficult. It is only the very small things like Romahomes that prove to be satisfactory. I wouldn't want to use our lump as a daily driver

- and although a Berlingo-based R20 Romahome will fit beneath height barriers, even these overhang a standard parking space!
 
Stealth Camper

Hi Phil

As you are going for a second hand base van, and may not get the colour you need, you could look at a printed body wrap in any design you want. Maybe a haystack, a hedge, combine harvester, chicken hut,or a pile of car tyres, What a great van for classic shows. No Phil I am not mad body wraps will not rust, easy to clean and cover any light marks on the bodywork.

Regards Snowbirds.:goodluck::have fun:


I have in the past talked about self building a stealthy wild camping van. Once again the urge has come over me to explore this idea.
So first let me give you bullet points of what the van needs to meet my requirements (I know these are not everyones requirements)


  • Large main bed that is very comfortable :)
  • Beds for two children
  • Toilet
  • Shower
  • Hob
  • Oven or microwave
  • Sink
  • Fridge
  • Instant hot water
  • On board LPG tank
  • Inverter for mains
  • Tv / Dvd
  • Black out blinds
  • Solar panels
  • Hi top van
  • No more than 20 feet long
  • Heating
  • LED lighting
  • Water Tanks
  • Tables
  • Wardrobe
  • Battery bank for inverter (maybe around 600ah)
  • I must be about to use it daily as my main form of transport
  • Must be stealthy / not stand out

Ok I may add to this later.

I currently have a 1996 Autosleeper Duetto that I would sell to finance this (around £10,000) plus get a loan for maybe £5000. So Budget £15,000

The van must blend in, maybe even be camouflaged in some way.

I need to be able to work in the van and keep an over active six year old entertained on a rainy day.

So what base vehicle?
Any simular conversions to look at?
What colour van?
Should I get pre made motorhome conversion furniture?

please discuss
 

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