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GeoffL
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AFAICT it depends on the site. One pub one the news that had created a pop-up site welcomed everyone but, as you noted, others have limited it to tent campers only. I suspect you'd need to contact the site to be sure of whether or not they'd accept your custom...
mariesnowgoose
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Exactly as Geoff says.
Local councils have only been asking people with appropriate land/locations if they would be prepared to take 'campers'; very much doubt they can dictate to the owner exactly what kind of camping guests they are prepared to allow on their (private!) land. That will be entirely up to the individual site owners.
My sister used to run a posh B&B a while back and refused to take in certain types of guest because they were too risky, or she didn't like the look/sound of them. It's pretty much the same policy with many types of 'accommodation' business, 'campsites' included. You're entering private land with the 'pop ups'; effectively that person's 'home' - in this instance the word 'temporary' is also relevant - ergo a lot will be very different to the bigger commercial 'camping' operations.
Local councils have only been asking people with appropriate land/locations if they would be prepared to take 'campers'; very much doubt they can dictate to the owner exactly what kind of camping guests they are prepared to allow on their (private!) land. That will be entirely up to the individual site owners.
My sister used to run a posh B&B a while back and refused to take in certain types of guest because they were too risky, or she didn't like the look/sound of them. It's pretty much the same policy with many types of 'accommodation' business, 'campsites' included. You're entering private land with the 'pop ups'; effectively that person's 'home' - in this instance the word 'temporary' is also relevant - ergo a lot will be very different to the bigger commercial 'camping' operations.
trixie88
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many years ago daughter and i went camping down to devon and cornwall with tent..........we were refused entry to quite a few camp sites as they didnt take (single groups) only families......i explained we were mother and daughter.......daughter would have been about 17/18 yrs at the time.....however...they said rules is rules??????
i would imagine a lot of pubs will probably allow motorhomes and csmpervan to use their car park ....providing they spend in the pub.........that way they will get more custom and try to make up some of what they have lost during lockdown etc......
i would imagine a lot of pubs will probably allow motorhomes and csmpervan to use their car park ....providing they spend in the pub.........that way they will get more custom and try to make up some of what they have lost during lockdown etc......
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Thats me out
wildebus
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I remember going to a B&B in the lakes to see if they had a room and the owner didn't really like the look of me and the GF too much - asked if we were married and I think about to turn us away until an Indian couple started walking up her path. We suddenly became more acceptable
Discrimination laws will still apply I would think (and hope!) even in these pop-up sites and people who think they can pick and chose who they let let a pitch to based on certain 'attributes' could find themselves in a bit of bother I reckon!
trevskoda
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Same happened to us in Rosslair many years back before we were married, wife turned eng ring round to look like wed ring, a very strict RC guest house.I remember going to a B&B in the lakes to see if they had a room and the owner didn't really like the look of me and the GF too much - asked if we were married and I think about to turn us away until an Indian couple started walking up her path. We suddenly became more acceptable
Discrimination laws will still apply I would think (and hope!) even in these pop-up sites and people who think they can pick and chose who they let let a pitch to based on certain 'attributes' could find themselves in a bit of bother I reckon!
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The Lakes are one area encouraging pop up sites. However they are created under regs relating to short term tent campsites only. There is in any event little enthusiasm from farmers where motorhomes are concerned as any space used for motorhomes will lose them pro-rata their subsidy, apparently tents don’t count…according to Lake District National Park Farming Officer…who also mentioned that since they have been able to get away with £30 per night per tent for 30 tents for 56 days…why should they bother with accommodating 5 motorhomes which is all an exemption certificate will allow them.
mistericeman
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Pop up sites are also upsetting existing campsite owners....
Or certainly sounded like it on radio 4 earlier in the week....
Sounds like they don't want folks, undercutting their prices OR making more profit as they haven't got the overheads of established sites....
Or certainly sounded like it on radio 4 earlier in the week....
Sounds like they don't want folks, undercutting their prices OR making more profit as they haven't got the overheads of established sites....
mariesnowgoose
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I think the expression is all’s fair in love and business? Or something like that. There’s bound to be a bit of upset amongst the ‘motorhomes should stay on an official site’ brigade - often with a vested interest, as has been pointed out many times on the forum over the years - when all of a sudden anywhere potentially suitable for ‘camping’ is allowed to hire out their land due to the pressures of ‘staycations’ caused by the pandemic. That will be perceived as unwelcome competition by some, as mistericeman has pointed out.
As for discriminating against ‘customers‘, if you run any kind of accommodation you soon become very wise about who will be trouble and who won’t. It’s called “learning from experience” and has nothing to do with the kind of racist (or any other kind of “ist”) discrimination that Wildebus is implying.
Unless you’re an accommodation business that’s not bothered at all about having your property trashed, or all your perfectly reasonable “house rules” deliberately broken by selfish, inconsiderate people, often under the influence of alcohol? I’m talking specifics here, and dealing with members of the public is never easy. Ask any publican, or B&B, hotel, or self catering provider. Publicans can ‘bar’ troublemakers from their pubs. Accommodation providers develop a good nose for trouble and pre-empt it by simply not allowing the troublemakers to enter their premises in the first place, where possible.
As for discriminating against ‘customers‘, if you run any kind of accommodation you soon become very wise about who will be trouble and who won’t. It’s called “learning from experience” and has nothing to do with the kind of racist (or any other kind of “ist”) discrimination that Wildebus is implying.
Unless you’re an accommodation business that’s not bothered at all about having your property trashed, or all your perfectly reasonable “house rules” deliberately broken by selfish, inconsiderate people, often under the influence of alcohol? I’m talking specifics here, and dealing with members of the public is never easy. Ask any publican, or B&B, hotel, or self catering provider. Publicans can ‘bar’ troublemakers from their pubs. Accommodation providers develop a good nose for trouble and pre-empt it by simply not allowing the troublemakers to enter their premises in the first place, where possible.
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Yes, people running a business want to avoid troublemakers and unsuitable customers and will turn away individuals - maybe ones with kids as they want just adults. Maybe for campers only people with their own on-board facilities. Nothing wrong with that.
Howvever there are also plenty of people running businesses who don't want certain individuals basing their decisions purely on skin colour. In the past, it was deemed perfectly acceptable but wasn't then and and isn't now.
Howvever there are also plenty of people running businesses who don't want certain individuals basing their decisions purely on skin colour. In the past, it was deemed perfectly acceptable but wasn't then and and isn't now.
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I think the thread has gone a bit off track - there’s a surprise! 
The original question was whether or not the new type of ‘pop up’ sites were allowing motorhomes, or restricting their premises to people in tents only.
I doubt the vehicles (or tents) will be discriminated against on the grounds of colour, religion or sexual status - but you never know ...! The owners might not like orange vans ... or self-builds ... or wooden sheds on wheels...?
The original question was whether or not the new type of ‘pop up’ sites were allowing motorhomes, or restricting their premises to people in tents only.
I doubt the vehicles (or tents) will be discriminated against on the grounds of colour, religion or sexual status - but you never know ...! The owners might not like orange vans ... or self-builds ... or wooden sheds on wheels...?
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Watching what is going on right now has highlighted how poorly prepared this country is for Motorhomes. We have the two largest camping bodies fixated on caravans and their needs, councils making up policy on the hoof, based many times on the whims of the very people who have created this problem. I read on here that there are to many vans, yet the U.K. per capita has the lowest figure in Europe for Motorhome ownership. If there had been joined up thinking instead of ill informed reaction in the past we would not need pop up campsites. Pop up campsites are symptomatic of what has went before, and this pandemic has served to highlight this more than anything has before. Pop up campsites are no more than a temporary sticking plaster solution for a problem highlighted by this pandemic.
Will this lead to changes in the future who knows, but hopefully with the efforts of campra and some individuals things will change.
As for what businesses want in their property this will depend on who owns the business, where the business it situated, how much land they have, and any regulations that may have to be met. Don’t forget the 6M rule, if that is to be applied then possibly some business owners may decide that they can fit in far more tents than Motorhomes, particularly if they have toilet facilities available.
Will this lead to changes in the future who knows, but hopefully with the efforts of campra and some individuals things will change.
As for what businesses want in their property this will depend on who owns the business, where the business it situated, how much land they have, and any regulations that may have to be met. Don’t forget the 6M rule, if that is to be applied then possibly some business owners may decide that they can fit in far more tents than Motorhomes, particularly if they have toilet facilities available.
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4 homes round me have travelers living in vans at side of back garden, by law they are only allowed so many days, what do they do, yes move from one house to the other, so if you own a small field at home of a large drive you can do as you wish, and who is going to be watching every farm for a few vans now and again, esp if out of sight.