Parking tickets

[wigan pier]

Just recived a answer to my appel of parking ticket from morecambe
the ticket was issued for overhanging white line bay marker into next bay allthough this bay had a kia car parked in it wich came later on than me on retuning to my van i spotted the ticket with the reason so i took a photo of my van and kia, when i appelled against the ticket they said i was useing two bays and they had a photo from attendent to prove the fact i was useing a parking bay without paying a fee and stopping members of the public from parking i sent then a set of 6 photos 1 wich showed my van and kia in baysand 3 photos of my wheels just inside the white lines of bay and 2photos of tickets with fee and date for both motors.
when i sent them copys of these they said i was still breaking parking laws by overhanging but this is not breaking the law it states you must park inside the markings concerned this is what i did the drive wheels were inside the markings and its the wheels that count not the body work and the bay at the rear was in use with a valid ticket there reply sorry our mistake ?

 

[PaulC]

A similar thing happened in Keswick a few years ago, but he had to pay up. Because he sqeezed into a parking bay, because of another car, and left his wheels outside the bay, but the other car moved on and he didn't have any photos. Moral of the story take photos!

 

[MikeH]

So did you win? Seems odd about the wheels being inside but not mattering about the body. Suppose a lorry with a big overhang took the next space as well. You`d expect both bays to be paid for as both are being used.

I know someone that parked her Corsa on the road. Hours later, the local council put no parking bollards out next to it. Then the warden came and gave her a ticket. She paid it and also sent a letter stating what I just said. The adjudicator said she had a claim but since she had paid they were not allowed to refund it. Bureaucracy gone mad.

 

[noody]

I was always under the impression that the whole body needed to be within the lines

Is this local-authority rules that can change from one area to another ? Some bizarre things are happening, how about this then.

Our beach car-park has recently suffered irresponsible behaviour by motorhome-ers, only irresponsible because they hadn't paid for the extra bay they were using for the chairs and tables. It was the car-parking officer who told them, "either move the chairs and table or pay for the parking-bay".

I think another member of the public may have grounds to complain if they couldn't park their car when motorhomes are using adjacent bays as dining/social areas when the ground is car-parking.

It's a can of worms.

Car-park is generally the term used to describe its use, I manage to fit into some car-park spaces but not others. I'm 2.3 X 6 metres, in some cases the same local authority has crammed an extra space into the line-up by robbing each space by just enough so my wheels hang-out then they also decrease the front-back space and in that particular car-park I get marooned because of the cars around me.

It's a can of worms and local-authority are used to being a law unto themselves in most areas, that's my experience so-far.

___________________________________________
Richard Roggan. Distinguished kitesurfing Gentleman.
I don't do tricks.

 

[Funnymunny]

I think it is all down to jealousy, i was booked for taking up 2 bays in Street down in Somerset.
We had put a ticket on the motorhome and was gone an hour, on returning there was a ticket isued 2 mins after we had parked. There were 4 other vehicles all 4x4s taking up more than one bay and 2 police cars parked on double yellow lines but not one other vehicle was booked.
I did write a letter in pointing this out and the fact that there had been no intent to dodge paying and did suggest a polite note asking me to buy another ticket would have been much fairer but that did little good.

Pity i used to visit Street quite often and always spent a fair amount of money there too but now go elswhere.

RD

 

[wigan pier]

So did you win? Seems odd about the wheels being inside but not mattering about the body. Suppose a lorry with a big overhang took the next space as well. You`d expect both bays to be paid for as both are being used.

I know someone that parked her Corsa on the road. Hours later, the local council put no parking bollards out next to it. Then the warden came and gave her a ticket. She paid it and also sent a letter stating what I just said. The adjudicator said she had a claim but since she had paid they were not allowed to refund it. Bureaucracy gone mad.

yes i won its a matter of looking up bylaws if you get a ticket i think the max overhang is 6ft from rear wheelbut i did point out that it wasant my fault i wasant in a car my wheels was inside the markers it was them tryin to pack as many cars in as possible the only restrictions was on overnite parkin ?

 

[wigan pier]

I was always under the impression that the whole body needed to be within the lines and if we need to overhang we try to find a bay where we can overhang the rear over the grass, therefore not protruding into another bay.
Never had a problem that way, but I suppose that a jobs worth may try it on

hi *****,
if it was the full body id never be able to park in town its a funny old thing either they think were gipos or cant stand us cos we dive m/homes well its each to their own im the same i hate car drivers who have to be in front all the time but thats another matter hope to see u somtime regards andy

 

[nigel54]

parking tickets

hi Mr Wigan pier, having read thru these posts it is very annoying to be ticketed for a slight overhang, when we try to park & pay our way. You mention a certain travelling minority ( must be carefull hou i word this, as they have rights) at this moment in time. The rates paying peole in Crossgate, Scarboro", are going thru hell, because there is a horse fair being held outside thier front doors.
For the past week, the residents have complained, but council and police wont shift them. The filth, noise and horses running around must be terrible.
To sum up, perhaps we should declare ourselves, people of the travelling minority of "No fixed abode" Regards Nig.

 

[noody]

i hate car drivers who have to be in front all the time

And/or so close behind you can't see them together with those who park so close to you you can't move. Even more irritating is they had other choices in the car-park.

Then there are the thousands who never learnt to reverse, shall we start a new thread ? I need a really good rant.

 

[kimbowbill]

And/or so close behind you can't see them together with those who park so close to you you can't move. Even more irritating is they had other choices in the car-park.

Then there are the thousands who never learnt to reverse, shall we start a new thread ? I need a really good rant.

even more irritating is the ones that park their little cars in MH bays, i encountered one up in scotland, i politely asked him if he could use a bay designated for cars, so i could get into bay designated to MH's he told me to **** off he paid fee and could park where he wanted, what a nice man.

 

[oldun]

Its plainly wrong to believe its the position of the wheels that count.

It must be the space taken up by the vehicle. If the vehicle overhangs another bay then it is inhibiting other people from parking there.

The OP says it was not a problem because a Kia was in the other bay, well the Kia was there probably because other larger cars could not get in.

I know it's a damn nuisance being persecuted all the time because we are larger than a car but unfortunately rules are rules.

Unfortunately we are a small group of people and have very little clout with the authorities.

 

[noody]

Its plainly wrong to believe its the position of the wheels that count.

I'm with you on this, I just can't see how the distance between wheels are the parameters for parking bays.

At our beach car-parks, this time of year and weekends any-time of year motorhomes are not in the minority, motorhome ownership seems to have increased conversely to the economy in just 18 months that we've been owners so maybe us in the UK are going to catch-up with the other EU motorhome-owning countries where they have a little more respect/tolerance.

Richard.

 

[ajs]

even more irritating is the ones that park their little cars in MH bays, i encountered one up in scotland, i politely asked him if he could use a bay designated for cars, so i could get into bay designated to MH's he told me to **** off he paid fee and could park where he wanted, what a nice man.

should have backed in to him... then told him yer brakes had failed...

seriously.. i would have blocked him in...

regards
aj

 

[noody]

I can't remember if I shared with you-lot the story of me getting blocked-in and whilst good-memory isn't anything you would remember me by honesty and integrity hopefully are.

In an off-season period I parked my van in a very popular beach car-park that I wouldn't normally use, I fit within all the lines though the local-authority squeezed a few extra spaces into the car-park compared to other car-parks.

When I returned people had parked so closely around me that I couldn't pull-out without touching the adjacent car, I waited. This car-park is next to a pub and I figured he/she wouldn't be out for another 2 hours so I pulled-out and took a little paint from the adjacent vehicle. I left my phone-number, not to cough-up but to give-Em my thoughts.

The car-owner didn't call me, either to-pissed to notice the bit of paper or the people I shared the problem with snatched-it after I left.

The only other motorhome forum I contribute to judged me as, "not parking very sensibly" when I asked them to judge my action.

On the basis of that judgement (and I respect their views) us motorhome-ers are divided in our views and claims for fair-parking in car-parks.

"They're not motorhome parks or van parks" is a comment I remember though from whom it came I don't remember.

What does this forum think ? assuming we fit between the lines do we have to accept poor parking by others ? the person who parked next to my van must have been a stick-insect to get-out of the car.

Make me feel better.

 

[PaulC]

Well legally you are supposed inform the driver in person (I think), but I was parked on the road, in a car, came back and a note was attached, but the driver turned up. But I know what you mean, a popular free car park near me and they park anywhere. On the pavement. on the grass, in the entrance, etc, etc and PC Plod often drives by but takes no interest. It's dog eat dog almost!

 

[Baggins]

I had my V70 parked in the last on-road bay with all wheels within marked area but front overhanging double yellows.

One of NCP's operatives was about to ticket it but I pointed out that on-street TRO regs require only that all wheels must be within marked area - he checked with office and went on his way.

This probably does not apply to council/private car parks as they are covered by bye-laws and not Traffic Regulation Order legislation.