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On radio 4 tonight it was reported that oil had reached an all time high four times this week, and as pump prices are set to follow through in a few weeks, my prediction of the £1.50 litre by july 19 might be a bit of a late call. I think now is the time for us to share ideas for fuel saving. I heard last week of an organiztion in the U.S called Freewheeling, which claims to add up to 30% to your mileage. The whole idea is that as soon as you start going down hill, you knock into neutral and coast down the hill untill you need to engage gear as it levels off or inclines. Obviously you must keep the engine running so you have steering and brakes. I have adopted this method for the last week and on my journey to work 3.5 miles, I can coast for ( the best so far 1 mile), not so good on the return. We are off to the Yorkshire Dales for a week on saturday and I will use this method as much as is safe to do so. I will keep you posted on my return. So come on all lets share our best fuel saving tips. Mine are 1. use your van as little as possible once at your site or spot, walk or cycle instead or use public transport. 2, stick to 55 at all times, 3, anticipate traffic lights and keep rolling, the same in motorway queues. Not only are we saving dosh, we are being environmentally friendly to boot......... Think its time Trotsky morphed back into Swampy:rolleyes:;)
 
Opec

acording to the news today OPEC is to blame for the increased cost of fuel today as they wont extract enough.
i think it might be so but the petrol companys and our government also have a lot to do with it
the petrol companys already have the answers
as over the years they have bought up all the fuel saving inventions and ideas and copyrighted them and then put them on the self so they can hold the market to ransome.
if all vehicles were to do 100 mpg and it is possible the fuel/oil would last longer but the profits of the oil giants would drop.
so we as usual have to pay the price they demand
 
resistance is the only answer

so we as usual have to pay the price they demand

I ran my own fruit & veg retail business for 30 years
where I practised a supply and demand policy
I would increase a price, till it met customer resistance
then I would reduce the price till it started to sell again.
Thus the customers determined what they were willing to pay
for an item.
I suspect, if forecourt sales dropped dramaticly,
so then would the pump prices
 
If we were to scrap our armed forces apart from a NATO contingent then the government could cut fuel duty by 50%. Air travel is a luxury go back to sailing ships. Run trains on steam, Mount sails in the car any darn thing but tax the motorist. come to think about it bring back steam cars or how about horse drawn vans. wild camping no problem. Force MP's to give up their second homes and move to the city. I am sick to death of the being forced to pay the current costs.
 
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I ran my own fruit & veg retail business for 30 years
where I practised a supply and demand policy
I would increase a price, till it met customer resistance
then I would reduce the price till it started to sell again.
Thus the customers determined what they were willing to pay
for an item.
I suspect, if forecourt sales dropped dramaticly,
so then would the pump prices

you are so right but you know the answer
the same old one
we brits dont stick together in a crisis do we
 
bring back steam

not enough coal i am afraid but remember some steam locos and boats also use diesel as a fuel to heat the water
but i enjoy getting steamed up
 
As a Protest about the ever increasing costs of getting ourselves to work......... What about a Sickie day...... We all ring in sick and stay off work as a protest about the costs of getting there. If a few hundred thousands of us did that on the same day, how much would that cost the economy. We could call it............ STAY at home Stuff OPEC day.;) This will be my last post for a week as I am off to the glorious Yorkshire Dales to put me feet up on them hills and rivers.
 
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i totaly agree
also this bio stuff has been forced on engine makers before they have had a chance to test and modify the fuel systems

so problems will happen especialy with modern hdi engine untill time has elapsed and technology has improved
till then i wont take the chance of ruining my motor with fully bio derv
i think food not fuel is possibly going to be the next platform some green crusader will be using seeing the hole in the ozone layer has healed it self
strange we dont hear much about that now do we
 
the hole in the ozone layer has healed it self
strange we dont hear much about that now do we

I seem to remember, when the hole in the ozone layer appeared,
the government blamed us, the reason given was gasses from our refrigerators, hair sprays, spray on de-oderants etc.
what a load of old poppycock!
an eminent Japanese scientist predicted, at the time , that this was a natural development, and the hole would close of its own accord in a matter of time He was right
the same scientist predicted that a period of global warming would be followed by a period of global cooling.
half of the scientific experts worldwide believe this theory
"why oh why" does our government listen to the other half
 
On radio 4 tonight it was reported that oil had reached an all time high four times this week, and as pump prices are set to follow through in a few weeks, my prediction of the £1.50 litre by july 19 might be a bit of a late call. I think now is the time for us to share ideas for fuel saving. I heard last week of an organiztion in the U.S called Freewheeling, which claims to add up to 30% to your mileage. The whole idea is that as soon as you start going down hill, you knock into neutral and coast down the hill untill you need to engage gear as it levels off or inclines. Obviously you must keep the engine running so you have steering and brakes. I have adopted this method for the last week and on my journey to work 3.5 miles, I can coast for ( the best so far 1 mile), not so good on the return. We are off to the Yorkshire Dales for a week on saturday and I will use this method as much as is safe to do so. I will keep you posted on my return. So come on all lets share our best fuel saving tips. Mine are 1. use your van as little as possible once at your site or spot, walk or cycle instead or use public transport. 2, stick to 55 at all times, 3, anticipate traffic lights and keep rolling, the same in motorway queues. Not only are we saving dosh, we are being environmentally friendly to boot......... Think its time Trotsky morphed back into Swampy:rolleyes:;)

well mate not often do i dissagree with you, but apart from it is an offence to free wheel or coast as we this side of the pond call it. it will save no more fuel as letting your motor go down hill on the overrun also it may be ok in a mini to some extent, but a motor home rolling down hill in neutral :eek::eek::eek:
 
Farms are being picked up for peanuts now. The people in the know are buying them and like has been said, to grow crops for biodiesel production. Then when biodiesel takes off. Bang the price will rocket too. LPG was 40 pence a litre not 2 years ago, now 80 pence a litre :eek::eek::eek:
 
Hi i just filled my lpg tank up to day it was 56 pence a litre , never seen it 80 pence a litre ?
 
Fuel Prices

Hi, during the past 4 years, I have been using Super Fuelmax Magnets on our Motorhome with great effect to increase mileage and performance.
Put "Fuel Savers" in your search engine and read about them, I think I paid around £14 for mine and as been worth every penny. Also from time to time drop some "Cataclean" in with your fuel and feel the difference, this also helps reduce emmissions by a considerable amount.
Happy Camping.
 
*****, just for clarification, the Bio- Diesel that I use is used cooking oil, that is refined, that oil that was once fed to pigs as a swill mixture untill the H & S stopped it. So please explain how that is starving the world. You really shouldnt listen to the do gooders & news papers. And before byou bang on about the damage, read this.
Environmental Benefits
Emissions
Biodiesel is the only alternative fuel to voluntarily perform EPA Tier I and Tier II testing to
quantify emission characteristics and health effects. That study found that B20 (20%
biodiesel blended with 80% conventional diesel fuel) reduced total hydrocarbons by
up to 30%, Carbon Monoxide up to 20%, and total particulate matter up to 15%.
Typically, emissions of nitrogen oxides are either slightly reduced or slightly increased
depending on the duty cycle of the engine and testing methods used. Increases in
NOx can be effectively eliminated with the use of normal mechanical remediation
techniques (e.g. catalysts or timing changes). Research also documents the fact that
the ozone forming potential of the hydrocarbon emissions of pure biodiesel is nearly
50% less than that of petroleum fuel. Pure biodiesel does not contain sulfur and
therefore reduces sulfur dioxide exhaust from diesel engines to virtually zero.
Biodiesel can also help meet national goals for the net reduction of atmospheric
carbon. As a renewable fuel derived from organic materials, biodiesel and blends of
biodiesel reduce the net amount of carbon dioxide in the biosphere. A study by the US
Department of Energy has found that biodiesel production and use, in comparison to
petroleum diesel, produces 78.5% less CO2 emissions. Carbon dioxide is “taken up” by
the annual production of crops such as soybeans and then released when vegetable
oil based biodiesel is combusted. This makes biodiesel the best technology currently
available for heavy-duty diesel applications to reduce atmospheric carbon.
Health Effects
Biodiesel is safer for people to breathe. Research conducted in the US shows biodiesel
emissions have decreased levels of all target polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons (PAH)
and nitrited PAH compounds, as compared to petroleum diesel exhaust. PAH and
nPAH compounds have been identified as potential cancer causing compounds.
Targeted PAH compounds were reduced by 75 to 85 percent, with the exception of
benzo(a)anthracene, which was reduced by roughly 50 percent. Target nPAH
compounds were also reduced dramatically with biodiesel fuel, with 2-nitrofluorene
and 1-nitropyrene reduced by 90 percent, and the rest of the nPAH compounds
reduced to only trace levels. All of these reductions are due to the fact the biodiesel
fuel contains no aromatic compounds.
Energy Balance
Biodiesel helps preserve and protect natural resources. For every one unit of energy
needed to produce biodiesel, 3.24 units of energy are gained. This is the highest
energy balance of any fuel. Because of this high energy balance and since it is
domestically produced, biodiesel use can greatly contribute to domestic energy
security.
Biodegradability and Toxicity
Environmental Benefits
Biodiesel is nontoxic and biodegradable. Tests sponsored by the United States
Department of Agriculture confirm that biodiesel is ten times less toxic than table salt
and biodegrades as fast as dextrose (a test sugar).
BIODIESEL EMISSIONS
Biodiesel is the first and only alternative fuel to have a complete
evaluation of emission results and potential health effects
submitted to the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA)
under the Clean Air Act Section 211(b). These programs include
the most stringent emissions testing protocols ever required by
EPA for certification of fuels or fuel additives. The data gathered
complete the most thorough inventory of the environmental
and human health effects attributes that current technology will
allow.
EPA has surveyed the large body of biodiesel emissions studies
and averaged the Health Effects testing results with other major
studies. The results are seen in the table below. To view EPA’s
report titled “A Comprehensive Analysis of Biodiesel Impacts on
Exhaust Emissions” visit:
www.epa.gov/otaq/models/analysis/biodsl/p02001.pdf.
AVERAGE BIODIESEL EMISSIONS COMPARED TO CONVENTIONAL DIESEL,
ACCORDING TO EPA
Emission Type B100
B20
Regulated
Total Unburned Hydrocarbons -67% -20%
Carbon Monoxide -48% -12%
Particulate Matter -47% -12%
Nox +10% +2% to
-2%
Non-Regulated
Sulfates -100% -20%*
PAH (Polycyclic Aromatic Hydrocarbons)** -80% -13%
nPAH (nitrated PAH’s)** -90% -50%***
Ozone potential of speciated HC -50% -10%
* Estimated from B100 result
** Average reduction across all compounds measured
*** 2-nitroflourine results were within test method variability
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The ozone (smog) forming potential of biodiesel hydrocarbons is less than
diesel fuel. The ozone forming potential of the speciated hydrocarbon
emissions is 50 percent less than that measured for diesel fuel.
Sulfur emissions are essentially eliminated with pure biodiesel. The
exhaust emissions of sulfur oxides and sulfates (major components of acid
rain) from biodiesel are essentially eliminated compared to diesel.
Criteria pollutants are reduced with biodiesel use. Tests show the use of
biodiesel in diesel engines results in substantial reductions of unburned
hydrocarbons, carbon monoxide, and particulate matter. Emissions of
nitrogen oxides stay the same or are slightly increased.
Carbon Monoxide -- The exhaust emissions of carbon monoxide (a
poisonous gas) from biodiesel are on average 48 percent lower than
carbon monoxide emissions from diesel.
Particulate Matter -- Breathing particulate has been shown to be a
human health hazard. The exhaust emissions of particulate matter
from biodiesel are about 47 percent lower than overall particulate
matter emissions from diesel.
Hydrocarbons -- The exhaust emissions of total hydrocarbons (a
contributing factor in the localized formation of smog and ozone) are
on average 67 percent lower for biodiesel than diesel fuel.
Nitrogen Oxides -- NOx emissions from biodiesel increase or decrease
depending on the engine family and testing procedures. NOx
emissions (a contributing factor in the localized formation of smog and
ozone) from pure (100%) biodiesel increase on average by 10 percent.
However, biodiesel’s lack of sulfur allows the use of NOx control
technologies that cannot be used with conventional diesel.
Additionally, some companies have successfully developed additives
to reduce Nox emissions in biodiesel blends.
Biodiesel reduces the health risks associated with petroleum diesel.
Biodiesel emissions show decreased levels of polycyclic aromatic
hydrocarbons (PAH) and nitrated polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons
(nPAH), which have been identified as potential cancer causing
compounds. In Health Effects testing, PAH compounds were reduced by
75 to 85 percent, with the exception of benzo(a)anthracene, which was
reduced by roughly 50 percent. Targeted nPAH compounds were also
reduced dramatically with biodiesel, with 2-nitrofluorene and 1-
nitropyrene reduced by 90 percent, and the rest of the nPAH compounds
reduced to only trace levels.
Hope that clears any doubts.
 
Green talk. Which crops do you refer to. Rape seed has been grown for years, nothing new there.
As I said, the bio that I use is USED cooking oil that is refined. The thing that I dont understand about all the critics is that when the first diesel engine was designed it ran on veg oil. the whole idea was for third world countries could grow there own fuel and power the water pumps etc.
Do you remember the farmer that drove his Landy from Devon to London on Chicken Sxxt:eek:. The Oil companies soon buried that one didnt they.

Sorry, Rant over, Ill give my self a heart atack.
 
We will agree to disagree. I do not run Bio to save the planet, but to save my pocket.
30p a litre cheaper.:D
Stay loose and enjoy the weekend.
 
Don, we can agree or disagree, it does not really matter in the slightest, but we must think of the future children of the world and the cost of food:confused::confused:
Have a good weekend:cool:
I still think you are still missing the point. Used cooking oil was a waste product, and all the while we expect to eat out there will always be used oil, to use that oil makes perfect sense, or should we go back to whaling and use whale oil for lamps and cooking. the cost of new vegetable oil is fast catching up with regular fuel. But until the day I stop driving or sprout wings I shall continue to use it. The food production problems will balance themselves out. the system just needs fine tuning, fossil fuels are a thing of the past (no pun intended) They will not last forever.
 

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